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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 05:56 AM
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In 2000 Frark Rich lied repeatedly about Al Gore
Why is anyone surprised by he actions now?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 06:06 AM
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1. When? How?
Explain, please.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 09:58 AM
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17. Go here
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:08 PM
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27. Here's a compilation I made Yesterday..
<snip>>

"I like Frank Rich. I think he's perceptive and often keeps his eye on the big pictures when other opinion writers don't. But I thought his column this morning on Al Gore got catty at times.

He writes:

"If this were the whole picture, Mr. Gore would seem the perfect antidote to the Democrats' ills. But it's not. The less flattering aspect of Mr. Gore has not gone away: the cautious and contrived presidential candidate who, like Mrs. Clinton now, was so in thrall to consultants that he ran away from his own administration's record and muted his views, even about pet subjects like science. (He waffled on the teaching of creationism in August 1999, after the Kansas Board of Education struck down the teaching of evolution.) That Gore is actually accentuated, not obscured, by "An Inconvenient Truth." The more hard-hitting his onscree slide show about global warming, the more he reminds you of how much less he focused on the issue in 2000. Gore the uninhibited private citizen is not the same as Gore the timid candidate."

He goes on to argue that "there are considerable chunks of 'An Inconvenient Truth' that are more about hawking Mr. Gore's image than his cause."

I find the use of the words "cautious and contrived" near the beginning of the long initial excerpt interesting. Rich says these less flattering aspects of Gore "have not gone away."

When I think of what Al Gore has been doing on global warming over the past five + years, on Iraq for four of those years (oh, and we might as well throw in his powerful speeches, the best anyone has given by far, on the threat to liberty posed by various Bush Administration actions), those words do not come to mind."

<more>
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2006/05/frank-rich-on-al-gore.php

<snip>>

"Over the weekend, Frank Rich, the Resident GeniusTM on the New York Times Op-Ed Page (I don't mean to offend the nearly equally BrilliantTM Maureen Dowd) published one of his trademark columns (I'm not including a link to the column - you can find it pretty easily). The most effective way to understand the GeniusTM of Frank Rich is to showcase how he covered former Vice President Al Gore. You will continue to see the exact same shades in his coverage of Hillary Clinton: deep-seated and irrational hatred for Clinton (/Gore) packaged in a combustible mix of half-facts, fabrications, distortions and lies. Let's trudge through just a few snippets of history here, thanks to The Daily Howler, so you can appreciate the real Frank Rich."

http://theleftcoaster.com/archives/011940.php

BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Sun May-28-06 07:54 PM
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Frank Rich seriously doesn't get Al Gore
In today's column, he displays a mind stuck in a 2000 lock box.

http://select.nytimes.com/2006/05/28/opinion/28rich.htm...

<snip>

"If this were the whole picture, Mr. Gore would seem the perfect antidote to the Democrats' ills. But it's not. The less flattering aspect of Mr. Gore has not gone away: the cautious and contrived presidential candidate who, like Mrs. Clinton now, was so in thrall to consultants that he ran away from his own administration's record and muted his views, even about pet subjects like science. (He waffled on the teaching of creationism in August 1999, after the Kansas Board of Education struck down the teaching of evolution.) That Gore is actually accentuated, not obscured, by "An Inconvenient Truth." The more hard-hitting his onscreen slide show about global warming, the more he reminds you of how much less he focused on the issue in 2000. Gore the uninhibited private citizen is not the same as Gore the timid candidate."

<more>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1304606

<snip>

"A more insulting endorsement would be hard to imagine.

I know that Frank Rich has become something of a hero to many of us who populate the left-of-center blogisphere, but let me be clear; the hero referenced in the tag "Heroes and Heroines" is Al Gore, not Frank Rich.

If you think that Frank Rich is on the side of any configuration of political beliefs that could be called liberal or progressive, if you think that Frank Rich is one wit different from any of the dim bulbs who make up the firmament of American punditry, you just haven't been paying attention.
*************************************************
First the caveats to my critique. Yes, I admire Rich as a writer; his memoir of growing up in Washington D.C. is a delight. He was by far the best theater critic ever to grace the pages of the New York Times, (though no Stark Young, who I'll identify for you in another post some day), and yes, Rich has written many incisive columns about the multiple failures of the Bush administration, but even reading Rich at his best, I am always left with the question, on behalf of what values does he make his critique? The answer, to my mind, is decidedly unattractive, and just as decidedly typical of all of our celebrity pundits.

Here's how Rich begins his Sunday column:"

<more>
http://www.correntewire.com/so_like_frank_rich_is_down_with_al_gore_yeah_now_he_is

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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 06:13 AM
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2. I'll add that when it counted, Rich far harsher, dismissive about Kerry than Bush. Perhaps to write
Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 06:14 AM by MarjorieG
the second part to his book, but like Maher and other entertainers trying to inform, facts can be fuzzy, or not as well researched, preferring to go with the prevailing pot shot of the day. Especially if colorful opportunities for rants exist.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 07:30 AM
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11. That is correct. nt
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 06:30 AM
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3. Frark Rich?
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 06:30 AM
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4. Can people please put some context in their threads?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 07:24 AM
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9. True. When will people learn? They post flamable posts on assumptions...
that they don't back up and assume everyone else knows about and agrees with.

I have no idea what this thread is #1 complaining about in 2000, and #2, complaining about NOW.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:00 AM
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18. Go here and get educated about Mr. Rich
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 04:56 PM
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29. If you're too lazy to say what your post is about, then don't post. I don't mean to be
unkind, but providing a link for explanatory material that is NECESSARY to understanding your post is not really doing what is necessary for posting.

Providing a link for extra explanatory material is okay.

It would be like me posting,
"DAMN THAT LARRY! HOW MANY TIMES CAN HE SAY THAT ABOUT MICHELLE?!"


I'm sure you'd wonder...what Larry? What did he say? Michelle Obama? Or some other Michelle? When was the article? Was it an article, or something said on TV? What show? When?

You know how we're supposed to write. Deep down inside you know:

WHO
WHAT
WHEN
WHERE
YOUR OPINIONS AND QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 05:28 PM
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30. If you'r too lazy to educate yourself about a subject, then don't post. I don't mean to be
unkind, but there is no reason I have to post according to your rules to compensate for your ignorance about a subject.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 07:30 AM
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12. It's a reference to his column yesterday that was very critical of Prez Obama. nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 02:39 PM
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25. I assume the OP is referring to Rich ripping on Obama over the Olympics...
You'd have to read Rich's columns to have a clue what the OP is talking about, of course.
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mr_show_time Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 06:50 AM
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5. "His actions?"
Your real objection here is that he dared to criticize Obama. Obama campaigned for a public option. Now, he's showing little to no interest in it. Rich merely called him out for it. Those of us with principles hold the president accountable for his broken promises instead of waving pom-poms.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 07:12 AM
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6. Welcome to DU. I hope you have flame-resistant cyber-clothes
Otherwise you may be called anything from stupid to a troll or incompetent or "batshit crazy" for daring to criticize you-know-who.


:hi:



Tansy Gold, who's been called all four more than once
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 06:32 PM
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34. Oh yeah, the little victim who mindlessly trashes
Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 06:35 PM by Cha
the president and cheers on those who do.

Talk about "pom poms".
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 07:17 AM
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8. "Those of us with principles..."
Ha. Welcome to DU. :hi:
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 07:45 AM
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13. Welcome.
How about principled people give the Prez some TIME before citing him for 'broken promises.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 08:10 AM
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15. Come on ... they gave him plenty of time before attacking him ...
I mean, he was just getting to "... so help me God." when they started complaining that he was a failure and didn't get anything done ...
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mr_show_time Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 08:43 AM
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16. Oh, please
I defended Obama during his presidential campaign against the empty accusations which stemmed from the right wing. I supported his stimulus package -- despite the fact that it was watered down. That said, as far as I'm concerned, those who blindly praise whatever Obama does are nothing more than the opposite mindless coin as those who blindly criticize whatever he does. Both groups are detached from reality. We ought to examine our leaders on a case-by-case basis and grant them support only when they deserve it. That said, if you want to talk about "giving him time," why did he even give Congress a deadline in August to submit a health care bill, knowing he didn't even have the votes needed? Obama himself said just before his inaugural, "I don't want people to just sit around waiting for me to do something. I want them to be pushing their agendas." He asked for it, so let's give it to him.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 08:01 AM
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14. pom poms eh? well, you got the lingo down.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 06:28 PM
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33. No, James is pointing out that Frank Rich can be a tool i.e..
with Al Gore and when he calls Obama's going to Copenhagen to secure jobs for Chicago and the surrounding areas from the 2016 Olympics..a "stunning failure". That's just ignorant.

And, whether you see it or not ..President Obama has been working hard for a Public Option.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 07:16 AM
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7. So Rich drafts one editorial that is a bit critical of President Obama...
Big deal. I typically enjoy Rich's pieces and he makes some good points (and some stupid ones) in the latest editial. Whatever, there's definitely no need to launch a petty smear campaign against the guy.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:01 AM
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19. You enjoyed him trashing Al Gore with lies? nt
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:37 AM
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21. Joke?
Right?
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 02:35 PM
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24. No joke.
Rich trashed Gore all through the 2000 campaign and mostly with lies.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 02:44 PM
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26. The entire "media elite" had it out for Gore.
I never forgave any of them.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 05:56 PM
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32. This isn't the first time Rich has used his disingenuousness
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 07:29 AM
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10. Because folks here like the crap Rich threw at Gore and the Clintons. nt
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:10 PM
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22. Bullshit

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:15 PM
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23. And Kerry. Use 'grown up' words in any response, please. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 05:51 PM
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31. I'll use "grownup words"...that will equal the same as "bullshit"
which is used by many grown ups, btw.

I don't know what you're on about but your broadbrush misses the mark.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:05 AM
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20. Rich's article was a hit piece that grasped onto hyperbole and rumor and FURTHER lowers his credibil
...amongst those who want objective reviews of our leaders actions.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:14 PM
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28. Rec'd~ I like to get these facts out on Frank Rich..
but I see it's already been unrecd.

Thanks for this James!

I'm not surprised by Frank Rich's "stunning failure".
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