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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:35 PM
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Truth is, the Nobel committees don't give a s--t.

Truth is, the Nobel committees don't give a s--t.

by BluePlatypus

Here I was with a long diary on the state of European and Scandinavian Social Democracy that I was looking forward to not having anyone read, when this whole Nobel thing came along and upset my plans.

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To recap, my main point in the entry yesterday was some often-missed points: That the Nobel Peace Prize is in fact, activist by its very nature. That it is often used not only to reward efforts, but to support them.

Since then a few omissions have come to mind, so just to add to the list:
"Obama's being rewarded just for not being Bush"

So? And you could say: "Nelson Mandela got the prize simply for not being P. W. Botha". Unless you take into account the ideological differences between the two, and why the Nobel committee thought those differences were important, it's a fairly meaningless statement.

The fight against racism, BTW, has long been a topic of the Peace Prize. Ask Mandela, or Desmond Tutu or Martin Luther King. The former two have praised Obama highly of course, and Tutu has explicitly commended Obama's Peace Prize. It's hard to imagine MLK being of a different opinion.

Okay. But let's just pretend that Obama doesn't deserve the prize. The Norwegian Nobel committee went nuts. Temporarily insane. They were blinded by his message and imagery.

If he's that potent a symbol - that he can seduce the entire Nobel committee, isn't that worth something in itself? Symbols are not unimportant, and the Nobel Prize itself is evidence of that. What's Aung San Suu Kyi done lately? Not much. Symbols are important, and the Nobel Prize has recognized plenty people 'merely' for what they stand for, rather than what they've accomplished in practice.

The committee, are all professional politicians. The chairman, Stoltenberg, has served as Prime Minister and Foreign Minister of his country. In the terms of accomplishment that the pundits now give such import, he's got them beaten by miles. (How many nations have you lead, Joe Scarborough?). Anyone who claims that they're ignorant or politically naive in any way needs to back that up with some very solid merits, or take a slice of humble pie.

Which brings me to the main point I forgot:
The Nobel committees don't give a flying f--k what you think.

Get the big picture: There are two reasons the Nobel prize has achieved the stature it has. The first is its rather unique nature, being essentially the first prize of its kind, and really, the only prize of its kind - given its stature.

The second is the absolute integrity and secrecy of the prize committees.

It's their opinion that matters and their opinion only. It doesn't matter what you say, or what the million talking heads say. The committee doesn't care - it's their job not to care. Their job is to make up their minds who they think the best candidate is and make that decision. With no outside influence.

When was a Nobel laureate announcement ever leaked? When did you hear that a Nobel was 'bought' or that they'd 'given way to public pressure'? The answer is never, unless you count the inevitable weak rumors and sore losers.

It's not because that pressure doesn't exist. That pressure is massive. Businesses, Universities, entire nations sometimes try to campaign for a Nobel. It doesn't work and it's never worked.

The people I know on the committees have certainly never said a word to me. I doubt very much they tell anyone: Not their spouses, not their dogs. Because it is considered an honor just to be on the committee, and because they share the opinion that I'm expressing here: That the prestige and existence of the award is dependent on their integrity. (Add to this that Scandinavians in general are simply honest folks, not prone to conspiracy, corruption and backroom-dealing. They always rank among the least corrupt nations in the world)

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:41 PM
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1. YES. This is perfect.
K&R

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:41 PM
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2. Then I have that in common with the Nobel PP Committee..
I really don't give a "flying f00k what the whiners think, either.lol.:)

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:46 PM
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3. The arguments in support of President Obama receiving the Nobel Peace prize are all so much
more coherent and rational than those that are given by the detractors.

Thanks for posting this.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:07 PM
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8. Yes..Strong reasons of why the President of the United States
was given this honor and the verification in PO's acceptance of this Prize..He's sharing it with all of us who support this "CAll To Action"..

Cha --

This morning, Michelle and I awoke to some surprising and humbling news. At 6 a.m., we received word that I'd been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009.

To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.

But I also know that throughout history the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes.

That is why I've said that I will accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations and all peoples to confront the common challenges of the 21st century. These challenges won't all be met during my presidency, or even my lifetime. But I know these challenges can be met so long as it's recognized that they will not be met by one person or one nation alone.

This award -- and the call to action that comes with it -- does not belong simply to me or my administration; it belongs to all people around the world who have fought for justice and for peace. And most of all, it belongs to you, the men and women of America, who have dared to hope and have worked so hard to make our world a little better.


So today we humbly recommit to the important work that we've begun together. I'm grateful that you've stood with me thus far, and I'm honored to continue our vital work in the years to come.

Thank you,

President Barack Obama






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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:52 PM
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4. Somewhere, there are five Norwegian guys practically pooping their pants laughing
at the American right-wing as it explodes with impotent rage over this.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 09:58 PM
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5. Actually
Campaigning for the Nobel does work sometimes, unfortunately.

http://stanford.wellsphere.com/mental-health-article/bribery-wins-nobel-prize/529669

The Nobel Prize Committee is facing criminal investigation of bribery and corruption after allegedly taking huge payments from a pharmaceutical company that directly benefits from the work of this year's Nobel Prize winner in medicine.

The astonishing scandal, being reported in the European trade press and conspicuously absent from Sweden's major daily newspapers, surfaced just days before the internationally renowned awards were presented in Stockholm on Wednesday.


According to Swedish trade journal Dagens Medicin, two Nobel-affiliated corporations -- Nobel Media and Nobel Webb -- are accused of taking "many millions" of dollars from Swedish-American pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca.

AstraZeneca, which holds patents on and collects royalties for both human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines currently available -- Gardasil in the U.S. And Cerverix in Europe -- stands to benefit financially from the 2008 Nobel Prize given to German Harald zur Hauser for his discovery of HPV and its link to cervical cancer.

Medical industry analyst Johan Unnerus, told the German newspaper Heidenheimer Zeitung on Friday that Astra is expected to earn between $30 million and $50 million annually from its financial interest in the two market-leading vaccines.

The trade journal reported Friday that the Nobel Committee's financial connections with AstraZeneca "may be criminal."

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:02 PM
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6. All over the RW blogs
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 10:03 PM by ProSense
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:03 PM
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7. That must be why the peace prize only comes from Norway.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:11 PM
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9. yes, I trust the Peace Prize
It is a leap of faith to give Obama the Peace Prize at this point. But I like it. :thumbsup:
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Gromozeka Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:25 PM
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10. Nobel Peace Prize
I support Obama, but he didn't deserve this reword. Yet... I hope...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-10-09 10:27 PM
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11. "I support Obama, but he didn't deserve this reword. Yet... I hope..." Great another comment about
Edited on Sat Oct-10-09 10:32 PM by ProSense
his speeches.

:rofl:

On edit: Where are my manners? Welcome to DU, (re)word.

:rofl:


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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 07:05 AM
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12. An neither do I
care what the committee thinks. The Nobel Prize is a joke, irrespective of the Obama award. How many people give a rats ass about it? I don't. Does it have any effect on me? No. Do any of the people being foreclosed on or whose credit card rate has been raised or who are living in tents without health insurance care? No. Will it help the people in Afghanistan who are being bombed by Obama's drones? No. Does the Nobel Committee give a rats ass about the people in Afghanistan? No.

Alfred Nobel -- "armaments manufacturer and the inventor of dynamite." Nuff said.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 08:17 AM
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13. I like this posting
People are having tizzy fits based on what they think the prize is not based on what the prize really is. The committee is very clear about their reasons. It is in fact an activist award, not a congratulatory reward. It is what it is. It is not what it is not. It is not the 'we love you award' nor a lifetime achievement award. It is given to stimulate trends, not to congratulate ends.
President Obama was an excellent choice for the award for many reasons. And those reasons belong to the Committee alone.
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fletch18 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:59 AM
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14. Stature - Hmmm
From the author: "There are two reasons the Nobel prize has achieved the stature it has. The first is its rather unique nature, being essentially the first prize of its kind, and really, the only prize of its kind - given its stature.

The second is the absolute integrity and secrecy of the prize committees."

Let's see. I'm going to start giving out the Festivus Jabberwocky Prize. It immediately has STATURE because it is "unique" and the "first of its kind" AND it is very "secret"!!!!

I think the Nobel Peace Prize got its stature for giving the award to people who have accomplished meaningful and significant steps toward peace. In my opinion this latest winner diminishes the stature measurably.

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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:27 AM
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15. That about wraps it up with a nice, neat bow! K&R n/t
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