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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:02 PM
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Hate to disappoint Maher and fans, but it only gets better
Appointed a Special Envoy for Middle East peace

Order the closing of Guantanamo Bay

Prohibit use of torture

Obama Orders Secret Prisons and Detention Camps Closed

Obama Sets Bold New Principles for U.S. Energy, Climate Policies

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act

The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act

Omnibus Public Lands Management Act

Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program Act of 2009

Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act of 2009 or FERA (PDF)

Helping Families Save Their Homes Act of 2009

Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act of 2009 (Kerry-Lugar includes funding for Obama's global poverty initiative)

Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act of 2009

End of 22-Year Discriminatory Travel Ban

Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act

Stopping Conflict-related Sexual Violence Against Women and Children

The UN, Women & Girls

New policy steps towards Cuba

Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty with Russia

Strategy to address the international nuclear threat

For the Media: "30+ Reasons Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize"

Russia on Nobel Peace Prize: Obama thawing 'second cold war'

World Reaction to Obama Winning the Nobel

Turkey, Armenia sign historic accord

Why the Stimulus Worked

Green jobs for real people: The story behind the recovery numbers

Obama's Plan: Financial Regulatory Reform: A New Foundation (PDF)



House Panel Moves Derivatives Toward Obamas Proposal

FACTBOX: Major U.S. financial regulation reform proposals

Obama says Senate bill on tax havens would stop abuses

Statement by President Barack Obama on House and Senate Introducing Legislation to Crack Down on Overseas Tax Havens

Obama to chair historic U.N. council nuclear meeting

G20 to Become Forum for Global Economic Cooperation

Next comes Obama's budget, health care reform and more.



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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:04 PM
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1. Tried to rec, but somebody unrec'd at the same time. Apparently somebody doesn't want anybody to
see this list.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:19 PM
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18. Accomplishments don't fit into the playbook
:)
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:29 PM
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55. Yep..if it's not coupled with a catchy phrase, it's insignificant
Death Tax
Death Panel
Pull the Plug on Grannie
tea party
tea-baggers
compassionate conservatives
fiscal conservatives
where's the birth certificate
secret muslim
Kenyan
clean coal
etc etc
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:34 PM
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112. I am Glad Obama is President but without the contrast to Bush they are not yet at the "change" level
More than half the list is just reversing policy back to "normal" for a Democratic presidency. We need better than average at this point in our history. So it is appropriate to keep pushing and expect more.


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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:55 AM
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120. I'm fine with going back to the Clinton policies
with a few key changes.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:49 AM
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123. In my opinion that is part of the problem
Clinton's policies were not sustainable. We cannot continue to put a "band aid" on the deeper issues.

Again, compared to Bush Clinton's policies look angelic, but we were still in the mindset that globalization and "free market" idology would solve most every social ill, which I think we know not to be the case now.

I thin Gore understood this. But I am not sure Clinton did....
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 04:50 PM
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184. Clinton was not a free market ideologue
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 04:51 PM by Autonomy
He exercised his regulatory powers heavily. But he did not call capitalism the root of all evil, either.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 04:11 PM
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182. yeah, like without the "policies".
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:59 PM
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173. Agree. Many are cosmetic and not structural fixes. The next repuke does it all over again.
that isn't the CHANGE you promised, and we aren't
going to be satisfied with SMALL CHANGE, Mr President


Restore rule of law by prosecuting war criminals.

Restore fiscal responsibility and regulation in the financial sector.

Restore equity to the tax system, so tax the rich, they got all the money. duh.

Pass a robust PUBLIC option health care plan. screw the rethugs, pass medicare for all.


Thats a start Mr. President, come back for more when you got that done.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:12 PM
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75. The Obama-hating unrec crowd are DU's version of Rush Limbaugh's fail brigade.
Edited on Tue Nov-03-09 06:49 PM by ClarkUSA
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:25 PM
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181. More likely, someone who does not like the poster
as we've seen here often, or was too lazy to even comprehend the post.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 06:10 PM
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187. Yep. But with ***302 Recs*** Prosense must have a TON of friends somewhere!
:)

Go Prosense! Go Prosense!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:05 PM
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2. Unrec'd for another mindless cut-and-paste job
Did you realize that many of the things you dumped in here have already happened?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:07 PM
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Do you realize what accomplishments are. Nine months, don't be mad
celebrate: It only gets better.

:rofl:


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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:08 PM
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7. If you include his laughable financial "reform" package, you certainly don't understand the word
I'm surprised you didn't include volume and weight on every crap he's taken since being inaugurated.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:09 PM
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8. Chin up. LOL! n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:12 PM
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12. Sure. It will make it easier to ignore the piles of our money being shipped to Wall Street.
You want to celebrate Obama, fine. I've done it myself on occasion. But please don't take part in this financial con job. You're just helping the robber barons to finally and completely finish fleecing the middle class.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:16 PM
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16. Lot of money going to create jobs. n/t
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:19 PM
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17. n/t = "no truth"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:21 PM
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19. Embrace the
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:46 PM
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41. The stim RAWX, the bank bailout SUX.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:50 AM
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153. Wow, you don't even know the difference between the stimulus and financial reform
That's one informed opinion you got there. :eyes:
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:21 AM
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158. You think Wall Street creates jobs? n/t
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:56 PM
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172. yep. $330,000 in simulus per job created.
w00t.
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:49 PM
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180. Jobs were also saved
Teachers, cops, firefighters, etc...

People we probably don't need and who don't have children to feed either.
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Dr Robert Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:11 PM
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11. I'm thinking that you would have preferred for McCain to handle the recent financial crisis, right?
some haters never learn.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:12 PM
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:22 PM
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21. it's a waste of time arguing with the O-Fundies. nt
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:23 PM
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24. Love it.
O-Fundies!! :rofl: :thumbsup: :hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:28 PM
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31. Yes, you guys are so clever with your hate..I don't
know how you can bear being on such a high pedestal patting yourselves on the backs and come up with such stupid name-calling all at the same time.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:38 PM
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38. I don't hate, my dear.
It was an accurate description of some of the supporters.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:28 PM
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54. No, it wasn't.."O fundies"..pure hate.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:28 PM
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32. A.K.A: The Talibama.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:29 PM
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33. You just want Obama to be hated and are pissed because his accomplishments are highlighted.
:rofl:

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:31 PM
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34. You'd like that to be true.
Edited on Tue Nov-03-09 05:22 PM by jgraz
It's so much easier to pretend every critic is a hater. That way, you get to keep your presidential binky.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:35 PM
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37. I just think it's funny
Edited on Tue Nov-03-09 04:39 PM by bigwillq
that you had to start a thread to rebuke Bill Fucking Maher. Are you serious? Maher is an idiot. You just gave him free advertising. gOD forbid anybody has an opinion or disagrees with your O Holy One. Sad. Maher gets paid to say shit, sometimes pro, sometime con, towards political figures. Lighten up.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:46 PM
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40. "Maher is an idiot." So? Idiots can be called out too. n/t
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:47 PM
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43. Called out for what?
Having an opinion? :shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:52 PM
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44. "Having an opinion?" What are you arguing?
Isn't that what people are called out on all the time: broadcasting their shitty opinion? You think Maher is an idiot, but you have issues with him being called out. Do yourself a favor and back out of the thread if you can't stomach criticism of Maher.

Seriously, what the hell are you arguing?

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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:58 PM
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46. The fact that some people are so quick to have to defend
this president when someone criticizes him. The fact that so many here think disagreement=hater. The fact that an opinion no longer seems allowed on DU unless we're all in agreement.

That was my initial argument.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:00 PM
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48. "fact that some people are so quick to have to defend this president when someone criticizes him"
Seriously, that's your problem.



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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:06 PM
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49. Yes.
That and the other things I mentioned.
And, obviously, you cannot stomach criticism of the president or we wouldn't have this great thread of yours.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:23 PM
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51. You are spending your time banging your head against a wall because of this thread
and you claim I have no stomach for criticism? Maybe I have no stomach for BS. You, on the other hand, appear to be twisting in agony that someone criticized Maher.

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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:34 AM
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132. That mantra is sick: (disagreement=hater.)
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:08 PM
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210. I do it but it's a reaction due to some being so quick to criticize
and having nothing but criticism. While claiming to be Democrats.

OFundies, etc., leave that to the freepers. It is weird to be communicating with people supposedly of the same party and have them be just as mean as freepers are.

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:21 AM
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131. it's simple what he is arguing. if you like obama, you're a mindless cheerleader. if you
trash him, you're some kind of noble sage.
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:46 PM
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66. Perhaps Maher will be discredited by the WH like Fox News
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:56 PM
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81. Gutless Maher has done that to himself many times over.
For those paying attention.
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Fedja Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:28 AM
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118. You do realize...
....he's a comedian, right? As in, he says things to induce giggles and thought, not to draft policy and dictate direction?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 05:23 PM
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185. Then why did he apologize after the pukes vilified him for his
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 05:23 PM by tabasco
statements after 9-11? Didn't he realize he was just a comedian and didn't have to apologize or back down?
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Fedja Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 06:06 PM
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186. Maybe he changed his opinion
I've seen rational people do that before. After getting new or additional information, they reevaluated the situation. Holding firm and standing your ground is a trait of the daft, not of the resolute.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 06:56 PM
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188. I thought it was comedy?
What's your answer? Comedy or rational opinion?

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Fedja Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 03:03 AM
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197. Why does it have to be one OR the other?
Have you never heard opinion stated with comedic intent? Since days ancient, the court jesters were the most scathing critics of the ruler. They could afford to go FAR further than any other citizen was allowed in criticism, and the brilliant ones managed to push the envelope and toe the line without being bland or sentenced to death.

If you can't handle Maher's type of comedy, go watch Carrottop take a sledgehammer to fruit.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:26 PM
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209. Oh, so now you say that Maher is more or less a politcal commentator
and not just a comedian. I agree. He can't write off his cowardice as simply "comedy."

He gave his opinions on matters after 9-11 and gutlessly backed down, then started licking right-wing ass to save his paycheck.

See, I was right after all!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #32
130. spoken like a true RWer, or a bitter clown.
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 08:20 AM by dionysus
hey, i for one am glad you're gonna be miserable for the next 7 years. you reap what you sow.
:hi:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #130
144. Yeah, you keep telling yourself that
It'll keep you occupied while we work for *real* change.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #144
145. filling your pampers on a message board isn't doing jack shit.
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 10:22 AM by dionysus
but hey, pat yourself on your back for the freeperish name you came up with.
:hi:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:30 AM
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146. Nice to see you're finally figuring that out
Of course, given how ... um ... excited you are about Obama, I really don't want to know what you're filling them with.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #146
148. you guys project too much. see, you hate the guy as much as you *think* i love him.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:46 AM
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150. The thing that gives you away is how you attribute any criticism to "hate"
If it was something other than raw hero-worship, you'd be able to have an intelligent conversation about reality. But you all just run around screaming "haters!!!" and trying to shut down any real conversation.

Then when someone complains about that, you start yelling "haters!!!" even louder. It's pretty transparent, actually.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #150
152. no, when you throw out childish shit like "talibama", you display your sour grapes to everyone.
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 10:54 AM by dionysus
"Talibama" is your idea of "conversation", or "obama sucks and if you don't agree you're a cheerleader"

but hey, i'm *glad* he makes you miserable. really, really glad actually.

must be frustrating to be in that tiny, tiny minority of DUers that can't stand the president.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #152
155. Yeah, one of these days you should learn how to read an entire thread
Idiots who post shit like "I'm thinking you would have preferred McCain" have more than earned the name. The pattern is always the same on these threads:

1. Someone posts yet another Obama fan letter
2. Someone disagrees with it
3. Someone replies with "pony", "hater", "McCain", "PUMA" or whatever other tired-ass talking point they've memorized
4. Someone calls that poster and O-bot or the like.
5. All the cheerleaders start screaming like someone took their binky.

Yes, it's mindless hero-worship. Combined with a good dose of drama-queen martyrdom.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #155
156. i know how to read thanks. hey, cling to that anger, it fits you well.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #156
157. So does my 5-year-old niece. However, nuance and context continue to elude both of you.
Look at the OP. The subject line starts with an attack against "Maher and fans". That's the M.O. of the Obama crowd: continually attack and then whine when someone pushes back.
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Sukie Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:23 PM
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25. Ewww. n/t for no text
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:26 PM
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:27 PM
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29. Yes, you seem to have a problem with that
If you'd like, I could have some actual thought come up and bite you in the ass. Do you think that would work?
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Dr Robert Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:34 PM
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36. what a tough guy! go ahead and get your hamster running and see what you can come up with.
but I won't hold my breath
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:44 PM
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64. "A long time"....a week? nt
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. Hey, for pre-teens, a week can be an eternity.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 08:37 PM
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95. Laughable?
to you, maybe. But lately everything's funny ro someone.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:40 PM
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104. Good point. It's more nauseating than laughable
Restarting the securitized loan market? Leaving too-big-to-fail banks too big? Requiring a that a lender retain only 5% of a loan they initiate?

You're right. Laughing isn't the right reaction to this.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:21 PM
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20. One of the perpetually miserable
...all I see is "ignored". I had to eventually give up on that person.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:27 PM
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30. you're kind of an ass about pro Obama stuff. why is that, fellow DEM!?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:34 PM
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35. Progressives Against Progress. People who unrec the creation of green jobs. LOL! n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:20 PM
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50. You think "fellow DEM" means mindless zombie. I don't.
I'd be willing to bet that most of the cheerleaders on this site couldn't answer a single, basic question on Obama's financial proposal. They just see that Obama's proposed something, so it MUST be good.

No thanks. I like my brains functional.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:25 PM
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52. "I like my brains functional." How many do you have?
Is it possible they're all malfunctioning?

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:27 PM
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53. You haven't read a single word of his financial proposal, have you?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:30 PM
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57. Are you projecting? Why not spend the time reading the information linked to in the OP?
Edited on Tue Nov-03-09 05:30 PM by ProSense
It's much better use of time than engagin in a bitter-induced tantrum.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:34 PM
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60. I've read the entire thing. Which is why I find it offensive when you list it as an "accomplishment"
You either a) haven't read it, b) didn't understand it, or c) are somehow invested in helping Obama con the general public.

Which is it?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:36 PM
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62. You've read the articles and information at the more than 40 links?
And you still don't understand them?

Oh, the fact that you find them offensive is irrelevant.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:40 PM
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63. Per Obama: what level of capital risk must banks maintain on securitized loans?
Edited on Tue Nov-03-09 05:41 PM by jgraz
And what are the implications for this if it passes?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:46 PM
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65. You're trying to give me a quiz?
:rofl:


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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:48 PM
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67. I'm trying to establish if you know the first damn thing about the links you posted
I think we have our answer. Hence my "mindless cut-and-paste" comment.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:49 PM
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69. And I'm
laughing at you.


:rofl:


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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:54 PM
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71. As you always do when anyone asks you for concrete information
It's much more fun to just fawn over politicians, isn't it? None of that nasty "thinking" involved...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:58 PM
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72. "It's much more fun to just fawn over politicians, isn't it?" Wrong again
It's much more fun to watch heads exploding, especially those with multiple brains.

:rofl:

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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 08:01 PM
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91. ProSense, I admire your tenacity, but that person is one of three on my ignore list.
I only put the worst of the rabid-no-sense-of-reality-Obama-haters on my ignore list. That means, unfortunately, that this person has no intention of listening to you. Thats a shame because you have a lot of good stuff to say.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:28 PM
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100. Actually, Steve ignores people who use logic to make him look silly.
It only took one post for him to ignore me, so I'd say his tolerance for dissent is pretty low. It also makes his self-proclaimed deep knowledge of my Obama hatred disingenuous at best.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:30 PM
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101. Sorry ignored, you're still ignored! LOL
:rofl:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:42 PM
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105. Steve doesn't understand that no one cares who's on his ignore list
But I bet I make him peek every time. :D
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:11 PM
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211. c) is not something I'd expect any Dem to say
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 05:49 AM
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126. So come up with your own, detailed list. You're not interested in
doing any legwork, you're just interested in bashing. :boring:
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:05 PM
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3. k&R
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:07 PM
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4. Aaaaaaaand....they're OFF! (the rec vs unrec battle)
:popcorn:
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Dr Robert Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:23 PM
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26. why is it that Pro-Obama posts always end up with positive recs, while antis end up in the negatives
could it be that the vast majority of posters here actually like and support our President?

that must make the naysayers feel like whining even more.
what a destructive cycle they are trapped in.
once you have invested so much of yourself into detracting from something, it is damn near impossible to regain objectivity.

good luck coping with the string of Obama successes to come, Haters.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #26
39. Welcome on
board, Dr..we appreciate all the positive President Obama support.

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Fedja Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:41 AM
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119. Don't knock the critics :)
Ok sure, being simply offensive or rude like someone was earlier in this thread isn't helping anyone.

Still, being critical like Maher serves a purpose. Maher's point all this time has been "not good enough" and "I demand more". That's incentive for further changes and improvement, and it is healthy dissent.

The only thing you should hate more than irrational critics of your government are the people who say things are good. Because the moment the government thinks you're satisfied, it starts to serve itself rather than you. This issue is bigger than Obama, bigger than his cabinet, bigger than the Dems or Republicans. It's the political reality of fighting for the next election.

Those in power always lower the bar and talk of compromise, blowing microscopic changes into huge stories (like single payer has evaporated into a lame disfigured excuse for a solution). That's why the public should be productively critical, raising the bar whenever possible.


There, I said it. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism, please don't gag those voices.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:19 PM
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166. Good, common-sense post
"...the moment the government thinks you're satisfied, it starts to serve itself rather than you."

That could also be applied to political parties!
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99 Percent Sure Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:31 PM
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175. I wish I could rec your comment, Fedja. Simply excellent. /eom
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #26
47. Isn't that a hoot?
I say it all the time.... loud doesn't necessarily mean numerous. ;)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:34 PM
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61. Deleted message
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #61
85. Hmmm...
You do know people can actually read posts here without joining, right? With all the hate going on here since the primaries, it's no wonder someone would actually wait to make sure they're at a Democratic forum before joining. You're making a bad assumption.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:37 AM
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161. Well that was a rather mindless retort. No thinking involved in your world huh?
I have no issues with a list of accomplishments but some of that list is a bit fudged. No one is arguing that the president hasn't said he'd close Guantanamo but as long as Congress has to fund said closing it's not going ot happen. So you may as well leave that off the list.

As to torture, it has always been illegal, that President Obama has said we won't do it anymore is merely following the law. While it's lovely, it really shouldn't be considered one in a list of accomplishments.

I shan't go into the issues with the financial sector. Keeping too big to fail banks too big and worse helping them to become even bigger is not a good idea.

The idea that because someone is critical of Obama means they're some kind of hater is a simplistic and asinine one and clearly not evidence of someone who is interested in intelligent debate.

It's easy to criticize those who are of the opposite party. But if you don't have the stones to criticize someone in the same party you might as well be a cheer-leading freeper with unfortunately, the same amount of intellectual integrity. Personally, I don't find that remotely interesting.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:21 PM
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168. The financial sector issues I'm none too pleased about either.
I'm going to give it a little more time, though.
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99 Percent Sure Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:39 PM
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176. What AspenRose said. In this instance, I think the adage, if you keep doing what
you're doing, you'll keep getting what you've got certainly applies. Trying to return the financial industry and the economy to where it was previously without major reformation guarantees epic failure in the very near future.

But I'll wait until at least next Spring before I get really feisty about it.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:08 PM
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5. Nice compilation. Good on Obama!!! nt
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:08 PM
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6. Love it! NT
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:11 PM
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9. Thanks Pro Sense for compiling this
list that shows President Obama has been rather busy working with others to make our country a better place to live.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:11 PM
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10. Thank you, ProSense. K & R.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:13 PM
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14. Seems to be a big day for unrec/rec wars. lots of guest freepers for election day, perhaps?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:15 PM
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15. Don't forget Big Ed who doesn't know how to read a bill...
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:22 PM
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22. Anyway to send this to Maher, Maddow, Schultz and other haters?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #22
106. Your rhetoric is not unlike those who called anyone who said the least bit of
criticism BUSH-haters? You and the frantic RW folks during 2002 seemingly have that "adoration factor" in common. :shrug:
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pollo poco Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #106
137. Bingo
The problem is not limited to one side. Its the way people talk, think, and frame in this country.
Crazy.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 10:52 PM
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109. "haters" Are you seriously calling them "haters".?
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:51 AM
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141. Anyone who can claim that these people are "haters" has no idea
What hate really is.
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:22 PM
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23. K & R
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Sukie Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:26 PM
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28. Thank you for taking the time to compile this list.
Again, lots of naysayers posting, but the recs show how many support your post and our president.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:47 PM
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42. K&R
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:56 PM
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45. Thanks ProSense. Bookmarked, knr. n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:32 PM
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59. Ditto. n/t
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ProleNoMore Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:29 PM
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56. All Fine - What About Health Care Reform?
eom
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:32 PM
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58. Why are interfering with facts?
Don't you know that reality and purity can't walk together?
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:50 PM
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70. Thanks for the compilation and the work, as always
And I'm guessing the un-rec rationale is "But he hasn't done the BIG stuff yet!" Ridic.
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rainlillie Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:59 PM
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73. THANK YOU!!!
,
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:11 PM
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74. Nice headlines, but where is the beef? Geitner was at Congress last week trying to pull a fast one
on protecting large banks.

We need federally run banks with 14% savings interest and 5%
loans.

We need derivatives declared as illegal. 

We need commercial and investment banks to be separated with
different rules. 

We need REAL Global Change, not just positional treaties we
don't keep..

We need our regulations that are perfectly fine put back.

We need to stop being targeted through surveillance
activities out to ruin our lives.

We need poverty to end. 

We need universal health care that brings down the debt and
the monster insurance industries.

We need a lot more than this guy can even dare to think
about.

But the list above does LOOK impressive.

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Play Act.  How childish and silly,  

He just doesn't really address the concerns of the middle
class nor the poor. 
Its all about the moneyed and how to protect them. 

He is a like good show dog, put there by the likes of Cheney
to cover up Cheney's work and do his bidding while
publicly looking good.  I hate to say it but someone needs
to.  How can anybody let the Bush Administration
get away with what they did to our country and our
reputation?  How can anybody justify the torture,
and demands laws that keep the evidence locked up?  How can
the executive branch even make laws? 

Where is the consumer protection agency?  Why has the FDA
approved spraying cold meats with a viral cocktail to
kill bacteria, and what will happen when that virus attacks
the bacteria in the human body? 
Anyone paying attention to what matters? 

Show me some headlines with some definite after the fact
action verbs in them of things actually accomplished that
make a difference in the quality of our lives directly and
now.  Got any of those?  This ethereal backlog of ideas
waiting to happen is not useful.  Bush wrote signing
statements and got in no trouble.  If Obama writes a signing
statement that makes universal healthcare federal law, then I
would think this country might be coming out of the dark ages.
 We are not as stupid as this goverment has tried to make us
thanks to the internet and the ability to communicate cross
cultures and age groups.  

So do something impressive that makes a difference, something
humane like passing single payer, or like outlawing the
herding and caging of cows, pigs and chickens in pens and
feeding their sickness with hormones and antibiotics so we
are all sickly in the end.  


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:31 PM
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76. And he got the vacines out too!!
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:32 PM
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77. Kicked and rec'd
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:36 PM
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78. WOW! Where is the "liberal" MSM media on these?
You hardly hear this in the news.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:36 PM
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79. rec 102. Thanks for keeping track. I wish this could be permanent and be kept up to date. nt
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:52 PM
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80. I am one of those who feels not enough has been
accomplished. I stand by Obama no matter my thinking on this subject, it's just that we are all a little impatient. We waited through 8 of the longest years, the darkest years...it wasn't just Obama who inherited George Bush's purposely orchestrated calamity, it has been all of us. We are weary and we are chomping at the bit.

We want less moderation and more progressive action, yes we are happy about all you have listed, and yes it's going to take time....our expectations are huge, time is not on our side, we were thrown into the abyss, we want our hero and he's got to be an action figure NOW.

That may be just a little much to ask for, but that's what we want, what we need. Having said that, I don't listen to others bad mouth without speaking up, but here, here is where we can be progressive enough to criticize and scrutinize and make demands on our own. Un-huh, that's right, that's why I love being a kick ass liberal/progressive. There's no other way to go. It's the right thing to do. So, here's to kicking ass and taking names later.

A little kick & R :kick:
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. I'm just a young DUer, so I'm pretty chicken to get involved in the
battle royale going on with the pro's and con's above. I mainly voted on the issues of getting out of Iraq, closing Gitmo, climate change laws, and above all, a good solid, comprehensive health reform bill with a public option (prefably single payer). I naively believed that having a Democratic President and majority Democratic Congress would align all the planets and give us a Progressive Eden. Instead, we wind up with Holy Joe, Reid, and the Blue Dogs. So, yeah. Optimism crashes and burns again.
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paulkienitz Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:24 PM
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84. it just takes time
Reid is slowly seeing the light, and Holy Joe and the deoxygenated dogs are gon be in deep trouble come re-election time. They will only be able to obstruct for so long.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #83
196. Yes, it's not worth getting into battles with fellow DU'ers.
Welcome to DU, Rozlee, and keep shining your light and optimism, and your voice. I smile when any new, young member comes along, you are so much more than you know...welcome....you've made all the right choices so far, don't stop now. Keep your optimism, there's nothing to fear when you speak from your heart.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #80
89. For you it was the last 8 years.
For others of us, it was the last 30, since Reagan was elected. If you weren't solidly middle class during the Clinton years, you noticed a lot of what everyone else woke up to during the Bush years.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:07 PM
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82. Maher Arar?
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #82
87. It has traumatized him and his family forever and further
blackened our reputation overseas. But, I'd better not say too much or Spoony will call me Lamb Chop.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:34 PM
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86. Ooooh 136 recs...you go, girl. The Naysayers can't stop this one.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:40 PM
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88. Now, why does it take a DUer to come up with this stuff? Why
can't someone on his team pull this together and ship it to cnn, msnbc, nytimes,et al??

bravo to you and to him
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 08:27 PM
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93. We Are The Media and
we have some very good reporters around here!
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #93
94. I agree - As long as I've been here - I have always
thought that there is an amazing amount of knowledge and synergy. If it could be harnessed
somehow - we could be a force. But, because people frequent at various times and most all
group projects have fizzled - it hasn't happened. I wish it could. I wish every single
person who frequented here would be dedicated enough to follow a lead. Like if everyone here
made 1 phone call to 1 senator's office in a single day...
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:44 PM
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90. The Fall of The Republic: The Presidency of Barack Obama
The Fall of The Republic: The Presidency of Barack Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

This is why either Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul will run in '12. Obama's economic actions will end up bankrupting the United States unless he realizes that continuation of Bush's Iraq and Afganistan policies will prevent the funding of the healthcare and economic stimulus packages he's rolled out already. The Wall Streeters and the elitists have received all they've wanted.

Can We End the American Empire Before It Ends Us?
http://www.alternet.org/story/51975 /

Apparently Obama's listening to Zbigniew Brzezinski too much to consider listening to Chalmers Johnson.

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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 08:54 PM
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97. dont worry be happy
Obama nibbles and here is a list of them above. The broken promises and things undone - meh
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:36 PM
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103. +1
Super Intelligent and Well Spoken can not negate the Pensive Corporatist within our President. To say that I'm disappointed is an understatement.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 06:53 AM
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127. You're Not Alone... Democrats= Lowered Expectations
He was elected with ten times what Bush called a "mandate" and delivered shit on a stick. Look at how wonderfully "reaching across the isle" has worked! I sure am glad Barack and teh "Dems" always consider the feelings of the "other side of the isle" just like they did during the Cheny administration. And how 'bout those cabinet appointments? Kinda like the Cheney administration and EPA appointments etc.

Lowered expectations and dreamy fan boys and girls will help push Liberals out of the way so we can get some of that chump "change".

Suck it! You're happy, I'm not. I want and expect better. I hope you can "reach across the isle" between piss warm "Democrats" and fully functioning Liberals and Progressives. If not?

ARE YOU NOT A FAN BOY OR GIRL? JOIN US:
http://TheFrankFactor.com
http://radio.thefrankfactor.com
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 08:52 AM
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133. Neither Paul nor Kucinich has ever accomplished a single damn thing.
It's easy to snipe when you have no intention whatsoever of actually doing anything.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:25 AM
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138. you posted that teabagging horseshit on here? ROFL
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:40 PM
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177. The truth must really hurt
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 01:45 PM by EVDebs
Obama's first job out of college was with Business International Corp, you know, the CIA front company. Unless and until he has his John Perkins moment either Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul will out-poll him in 2012. Want to put some money on it...?

BTW, read the links and watch the movie. There's TRUTH in them that you need to be made aware of. Obama needs to become an FDR, not a Herbert Hoover. Unless he does you're going to see "Obamavilles" in DC during the '12 election, and you know what, his economic policies along with the Geithner/Summers/Bernanke stooges can't be blamed on Bush. THAT'S what hurts the most.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:38 AM
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 08:21 PM
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92. Thanks for that!
K&R
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 08:39 PM
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96. Kick. Have you got your raise yet?
You deserve it. :kick: :patriot:
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:12 PM
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98. Thanks. Bookmarking.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:16 PM
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99. Fine, but follow the specifics as well as the generalities, and . . .

Pay attention to the court cases his Justice Department has been continuing from the Bush administration, what arguments his administration has made about them, and where these actions actually put him on the issue of unlimited executive power and a rather weak Bill of Rights. I have a hard time seeing the glass as even half-full. Hell, if he doesn't take a hard stand against those, we might as well not even have a glass.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:34 PM
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102. Rec'd! and he's just getting started! n./t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 10:08 PM
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107. Yeah, PO is just getting warmed
up and his focus is laser sharp.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 10:25 PM
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108. kick and rec.. nt
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sheldon Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:22 PM
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110. Maher is great! And human. So what.
I don't watch TV, but I've seen him on youtube, and he's usually quite insightful.
I'm sure his criticism of Obama is at least partly deserved. Big deal. Nice thing about Obama, is that it wont bother him. :)
Rec'd anyway. :)
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:25 PM
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111. I actually rec'd this post ProSense, which is something I don't think I've done to your OP's before.
When you're at the worst, at the bottom looking up, it can only get better. Nowhere to go but UP.

For the first time in as long as I can remember, you are correct. It can ONLY get better, because it can't get any worse.
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bkozumplik Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:40 PM
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113. more for the list
Yeah congress and the prez have been kicking ass and taking names!
add these to the victory list:
suck on these you haters! yeah!! yeeha!!

1) The derivatives market is still open. The bubble was reinflated. A unique chance to reform the system and put back the protections the republicans ripped out has been passed over. Nothing was changed.
2) The bush war crimes will not be pursued. Off the table, for some strange reason. Murder of prisoners, viscious imprisonment of innocents, rape of women, rape of children, all the blackest things you can think of-- wont even be looked into.
3) Theres no effort to reform the congress under the new dem majority. its still run by lobbyists for lobbyists. If only we had the majority.. oh...right.
4) The bailout passed with lack of protections very purposely enshrined in it. We cant ask, and no one has to say where the money went. no accountability was a keystone of the whole project. nicely done.
5) We are expanding our "war" in afghanistan.
6) We are expending funding of the military.
7) We are still in iraq, there has been no speedup or even change of the iraq plan since he came into office.
8) We still have prisoners in gitmo.
9) Dont ask dont tell will be "pushed for". awesome. nice work. Isnt he the f'in commander in chief? who is he going to press for change? himself? Is he going to do sock puppets with his hand for this asking? Is he saving it for when his polls go down and he needs an infusion of goodwill?
10) Right to assemble is still curtailed. want a protest? you will get forced into a protest zone. same as during the bush years. Sure you can protest, in a closed area where no one can see or hear you.
11) Habeus corpus not restored.
12) Fisa violations expanded. secrecy is still king. No one even cares anymore.
13) Health care companies met and bargained with Obama. He didnt tell them what to do, he met with them and they bartered for our money and our wellbeing, as if they had that right. We weren't invited. Still aren't, even though what we want is crystal clear. The polls are concusive.
14) Weak health care is being enacted.
15) Obama has pledged not to do health care that raises the deficit one cent, but massive bailout, incentive programs, and expansions of wars can run up the deficit as much as they like. Awesome!
I guess ill call that paying attention to the deficit, so +1
16) Israelis still beating the crap out of Palestinians. Obama objects, strongly, but thats as far as it goes. We still defend their crimes in the UN, and shield them from any responsibility.
17) the Republicans could have been crushed utterly, for at least a generation. They have been permitted to survive. Now they have their footing as the complainer party, which is their best stance. Its about the only thing they are good at. The only thing. And they are being permitted to do it. We had them beaten and flat on the ground, so we helped them up and handed them a knife.
18) no climate bills yet. no cap and trade. no expanded mandate on alternate energy sources.
19) support for the rigged election in Pakistan. awesome. This is definently the democracy everyone's been dying to bring to the area. mission accomplished.
20) the dollar is quickly becoming unprotected by any trust in our financial/legal structures. We are becoming an international financial joke, and the world is shifting their reserve currencies away from the dollar because of it. when a few countries finish that process, it WILL decimate our currency. This WILL affect the real value of any money you have managed to save.
21) Leadership of powerful committees in congress: Lieberman. Baucus, Landrieu, Barney Frank. whats not to like?
22) torturers in the military and how the policy came about and was disseminated will not be reviewed. the idiots from gitmo who got jailed as "bad apples" will just stay there. It doesnt matter that it was widespread, ordered from above, and systematic. Lets not dwell too much on the past shall we? F all those people we treated badly. They will get over it. And we can still wave our flag and claim our high virtues.
23) the myth of the success of the "surge" goes unchallenged. the real progress came when we pulled back to our bases, not when we surged. No one cares though. We just gave that to the repubs. Why not I guess.



Yeah I dunno how congress and the president do it. Some of the biggest challenges of our age and they have this list of achievements, in just under a year. And the stuff they haven't solved they have sure made clear progress on.
Its inspiring. they've shown an entire generation of young people what politics is about.

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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:06 AM
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122. He has not ridden a flying donkey to the moon, either.
Don't forget that one! There are lots of things he has not done yet, and their existence cancels out anything and everything he has done.

Where is our flying donkey!?!?
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bkozumplik Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:33 AM
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160. right and no ponies
but the things I listed werent in that league.
theres little defense for some of the things that have gone on.

asking Congress and Obama to do these things and being disappointed when they arent done isnt an unreasonable or childish thing.

Equating these items in the list with flying donkies is. If you've got nothing to add, maybe you can find somewhere else to troll.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 04:48 PM
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183. But the point is not comparison of things undone.
It's that there will ALWAYS be something undone. ALWAYS.
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BAPhill Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:49 AM
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163. Thom Hartman just referenced this post on the radio
good job!
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:47 PM
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114. GIMMIE AN O!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #114
135. Interesting choice of graphics. Mocking fat people and Obama supporters
in one go.

Be proud.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:28 AM
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159. Weird. I am a fat person AND
an Obama supporter.

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bjjblackbelt Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:42 AM
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115. goddamn...
It is amazing to me how some supposedly "smart" people tend to create icons to adore. Obama showed his true colors with the telecom immunity deal. Now he gives OUR money to wallstreet, bankers and the insurance companies while americans die and pumping $$$ into illegal wars in the ME. Also, he refuses to put any pressure on the prosecution of the past admin's crimes against humanity and employs the same lackeys/corporate criminals for HIS admin. Furthermore, he pushes on the patriot act, renditions and secret prisons in places where torture may be performed, throwing away OUR $$$ at mercenaries everywhere and god knows what else. You do know it is OUR collective blood, sweat, tears and money they are stealing, right? Truly amazing.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:24 AM
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136. Welcome to DU. (nt)
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:44 AM
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140. Another fact twisting rant by someone who pays half ass'd attention to what Obama says....
...Maher, is this you?
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:50 AM
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116. OMG, not this tripe again.
Whats the matter, more bad news coming so you need to try and convince everyone that more 3D chess is necessary.

How about the prosecution of the torturers, the lawmakers that removed Haebius Corpus, and the continutiation of Propaganda and checklists instead of real action on human right, ending of wars, and universal healthcare.

It's like you guys would like to think that this ridiculous checklist has any weight in comparison with those items.

Prosense, you make me want to puke my guts out.

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:48 AM
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151. good. glad to hear it.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:25 AM
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117. I rec'd this.
Peer pressure.



:-)
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:57 AM
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121. Kicked, rec'd, permalinked -- nt
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 05:46 AM
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124. Rec number 234! And the Democrats have it!!! nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 05:48 AM
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125. Thanks for doing this, Pro-rec'd and bookmarked. Poor widdle
people who would like to try to convince us nothing has been done-in 9 months. Take that!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:37 AM
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128. Who's Maher and what is all this? nt
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:13 AM
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134. Bill Maher is a comedian, and it is important to discredit comedians when they talk shit
about our favorite politicians.

Oh, and if you say anything critical of Barack, that means you'll be unhappy unless his presidency is a total disaster.

This is what "serious people" are actually supposed to believe these days.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 09:56 AM
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142. I thought it might be Bill Maher, but then I figured...
...who would go through the trouble of finding all these links just to criticize a comedian? So, I figured it must be someone else. Guess not.
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:56 AM
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129. I'll take anything over
the last 8 years of a steady black hole.

Thanks for posting a great list worthy of mention in just 11 months!

K&R
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:08 AM
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143. Unfortunately most of what you list do not effect the average, unemployed, uninsured, previously
middle class folks. They also do not expose or prosecute the crimes of the past, nor do they put in place elements to make sure those crimes are not repeated by future individuals, parties, or corporations.


Nice list, wide but oh so shallow.
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Hard_Work Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:31 AM
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147. It's not a goddamn football team!
It's the US of A. You can't blow the whole thing up and start over! Obama's administration has to keep the ship from sinking before they can rebuild it. Rolling back a TON of Bush policies is a good place to start; unless you really think the Bush policies were better than the Clinton policies. He's got to get us back to a functional baseline before he can change things.

"But Obama promised he would CHAAANNNNGGGE things!"

He will. But you can't build a house without making sure the foundation is solid. In this case he isn't building the house, but he IS looking at a gut-rehab. Still has to solidify the foundation first, otherwise the next GOP blowhard is going to huff and puff and blow it all down again.

People have the wrong idea about how this stuff works; maybe because of the magical properties of the Clenis, people think Obama can just wave HIS dick at a problem and fix it. Sorry, doesn't work like that.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:54 AM
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154. rofl, excellent post
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:22 PM
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169. Who wants to blow anything up? Get real. It doesn't take blowing anything up to open the curtains,
or to shine a little light, but no, they are still fighting the transparency they swore they'd bring.

How hard would it have been to put both transparency and requirements into the second round of TARP? Not just capping compensation but also assuring that small businesses got the credit they needed?

Though perhaps the tactical correct choice (we won't know for a while) is to let Congress due their things, and not speak out about the health insurance bill, but perhaps not. Perhaps letting Rahm Emanuel and a host of big bankers involved in his administration is a good thing, perhaps not.

I'm sorry, he's not there yet, and to date he is a disappointment. Not planning on giving up on him. But no rose colored glasses either.

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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:41 AM
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149. This is great stuff and I am still a Mahr fan!! nt
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:42 AM
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162. Thom just mentioned you Pro!
hooray!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:41 PM
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171. +1
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:57 AM
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164. I am giving this a rec and I disagree with the original premise
I am giving a rec because the (non juvenile) back and forth opinion above is a fascinating read.
BTW-Why is Bill Mahrer and what he says dismissed just because he is a comedian?!? So is Jon Stewart and he speaks the truth just like BM.
I am BITTERLY dissapointed in the President too (for many of the reasons listed above)but I am still fairly convinced he will do the right things in the next 7 years.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:18 PM
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165. K&R for all your hard work proving Maher and his fans wrong!
:hi:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:01 PM
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189. Maher's right about Obama, but Maher's wrong about 9/11 nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:08 PM
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191. maher's got his head up his ass
regarding facts about the President.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:14 PM
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192. What happened...the Obama's got a dog !
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 07:21 PM by EVDebs
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/is-this-as-goo...

"Yeah, I'm disappointed, too. I thought we were sweeping into power; I thought change meant Change. I believed all that talk about another First 100 Days, a la Roosevelt. Well, that didn't happen. The question is, is this as good as it gets from Obama, or is he pacing himself? He may have a four and eight-year plan and they included a first year of just gettin' to know you and not gonna rock the boat too much. Well, Mission Accomplished on that.

It's still too early to lose hope in a guy as smart and talented as Barack Obama. But I would counsel him to remember: If you're going undercover to infiltrate how Washington works, so you become one of them for a while, to gain their confidence, well, it can be just like all those movies where a cop goes deep, deep, DEEP undercover with drug people and -- fuck, he's a drug addict, too!

Logic tells me that really smart guys like Obama and Rahm Emanuel know better what they're doing than I do. They certainly know things I don't know. I think we have the same general goals and beliefs. And this is what they do for a living -- I wouldn't even try it. But I will never stop having this doubt: that maybe if they had really charged in there riding the forceful energy of the historic election, and acted like it was an emergency moment -- which it was -- they could have gotten some big victories right up front, and there really could have been an historic "first hundred days" for this administration and the country. Instead of what happened, which is the Obamas got a dog. It could have worked -- the country had given its endorsement to "...and now for something completely different." There might have been a way to knock the Republicans back on their heels right away, with the argument that "The American people demanded we make these changes, and you are unpatriotic to stand in their way."

Is This as Good as It Gets From Obama?

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/is-this-as-goo...

It really is an 'emergency moment'...but you wouldn't know that from what Obama's been doing (mostly just for the bankers). His healthcare reform consists of placating one Republican from Maine (Olympia Snowe). Derivatives reform consists of WHAT ? Nothing, Summers/Geithner/Bernanke ran Brooksley Born out of town along with any real reform movement.

Don't break your arms patting yourself on the backs for the phoney "changes" that are being touted here, you still won't have healthcare coverage for it even if Obama passes what's being put out there today in the House and Senate.



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:18 PM
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193. Willfully up his ass.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:22 PM
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194. Yep, the Obama's got a dog is about the gist of it. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:32 PM
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195. And, I predict maher will have his head up his
stupid whining ass for 8 years.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:20 PM
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167. this thread is on FIYA!! way to go prosense
you are awesome.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:36 PM
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170. Glad to see this list. It's remarkable really how much I had forgotten. NT
Keep forging ahead, dems. This is our agenda.
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FedUp_Queer Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:02 PM
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174. Bagram Air Base (aka Obama's Guantanmo)
An Excerpt from:

Very Bad News: Afghanistan's Bagram Air Base Will Be Obama's Guantanamo

By Stephen Foley, Independent UK. Posted February 22, 2009.

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One of the detainees who passed through the Afghan prison was Binyam Mohamed, the British resident who is expected to return to the UK this week after his release from Guantanamo Bay. Mr. Mohamed's lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, head of a legal charity called Reprieve, called President Obama's strategy "the Bagram bait and switch," where the administration was trumpeting the closure of a camp housing 242 prisoners, while scaling up the Bagram base to house 1,100 more.
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The full article here: http://www.alternet.org/world/128273/very_bad_news:_afg...

Dammit, but this man is a fraud.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:43 PM
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178. I knew Maher had a few screws loose when I heard he'd dated Ann Coulter
:puke:

:scared:
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sheldon Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:08 PM
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179. He's supposedly dated a LOT of women
Coulter is on the list, as is Arianna Huffington.
http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/people/dating/b...
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 07:07 PM
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190. When it comes to the economy and Afganistan Obama isn't doing what I voted for
Bill Maher Takes On Obama: "This Isn't What I Voted For" (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/14/bill-maher-tak...

If the economy continues to tank Obama will have the country limping into the '12 election and the GOP will be crying 'Obamavilles' in D.C.

You can just see a 1932-style Bonus Army March on Washington...and Obama will probably roust the marchers like Hoover did.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 07:59 AM
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198. kick
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:31 AM
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199. Thanks for posting this
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 06:20 PM
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200. Hate to disappoint Obama fans but this ain't what we voted for...
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 06:27 PM by EVDebs
Why We Need Even More Stimulus
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/how-and-why-...

Top Bailout Recipients Spent $71 Million On Lobbying In Year Since Bailout
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/top-bailout-re...

Obama One Year Later: The Audacity of Winning vs. The Timidity of Governing
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/obama-...

"...as Plouffe puts it, from Obama's conviction that "the country needed deep, fundamental change; Washington wasn't thinking long-term... the special interests and lobbyists had too much power, and the American people needed to once again trust and engage in their democracy."


Yes, and Obama's administration doesn't seem to be providing that deep, fundumental change. And it's painfully obvious today. The economic mistakes Robert Reich mentions and the timidity that Arianna Huffington talks about will come back to haunt Dems in '12 unless Obama has his 'John Perkins moment'. Obama's first job out of college was at Business International Corp, a CIA front company.

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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 06:22 PM
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201. Damn too late to rec
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:16 AM
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202. First 100 days of the Obama administration are a failure. (Now make it 365 days)
"The first 100 days (now as I write the first 200 days and counting) of the Obama administration are a failure. At least thats so when they are measured against the only other first 100 days anyone really cares about, namely Franklin Roosevelts."

Steve Fraser on the Crisis of Capitalism
Posted on Nov 6, 2009
http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20091105_stev...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:19 AM
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203. Too bad for Obama he didn't have the luxury of an amenable congress... like FDR did.
If only more people actually studied history... instead of just getting the bullet-point, brochure-style version.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:02 PM
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204. Ouch...
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 12:04 PM by EVDebs
"On every major issue from health insurance to financial regulation, from energy policy to foreign policy, from economic recovery to labor law reform, the new regime and its sizable majority in Congress equivocate, seek allies on the right where there are none, and convey a sense of paralysis."


...Unless Obama wakes up and starts acting like FDR the crisis only gets worse.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:06 PM
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205. "sizable majority in Congress "
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 12:07 PM by redqueen
Yeah... those DLCers & Blue Dogs really help us tip the scales!

Did you see that Weiner pulled his amendment? Didn't want the embarrassment. Good call. Sad, but that's the congress the electorate votes for. They love them some non-soshulest warmongers, by God!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:18 PM
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206. More from that great article. It should embarrass Obama's supporters to read this
"Every day the media puts on display the official schizophrenia about the current crisis. On the one hand, recovery beckons; its about to start, its already started, the crisis is over. People in chargeBernanke, Geithner, Obama himselfare quoted to this effect. Evidence accumulates mainly in the financial sector, where big banks have so much cash on hand that some have paid back the government its bailout money and others are begging to do so. Profits in the FIRE sector are back, lavish bonuses are back: Can a third gilded age be far behind?

But then theres the other kind of story, the one about the spreading misery of joblessness, foreclosures, homelessness, wage cuts, furloughs, brute amputations of social services, repossessions, bankruptcies, defaultsthe dispossession of a dream. A tale of two cities indeed!

It ought to be seen as appalling, arrogant, callous, myopic, credulous and maybe most of all morally embarrassing to talk with a straight face about recovery amid all this."
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:20 PM
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207. IMO it's idiotic.
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 12:20 PM by redqueen
Oh well... one sees only what one chooses too, right? Surely we can both agree on that. :hi:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:26 PM
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208. Please read the whole article...this quote in particular
"It is a telling commentary on this great transformation of the past 75 years that Obamas first 100 days did not feature at its core an industrial recovery act as FDRs did. Instead, most attention is directed at restoring the well-being of the FIRE (finance, insurance, real estate) sector whose health is everybody elses disease."
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:05 AM
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212. Such a silly comment on so many levels.
First, we have a vastly different economy than the one that existed in 1930-1931. Its components are not the same, the services sector accounts for 67% of the money generated by the economy and 3/4ths of the jobs in the economy. In 1930, manufacturing was a huge percentage of the economy.

Second, if we actually look at the stimulus, its hard to make the argument that the money was directed at the "FIRE" sector. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Rein...

Yes, there was $12 Billion spent on "Housing", but spending on "Housing" is not the same as spending it to "restore the well being of the Real Estate sector"

Housing
Total: $12.7 billion

$4 billion to the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for repairing and modernizing public housing, including increasing the energy efficiency of units.
$2.25 billion in tax credits for financing low-income housing construction
$2 billion for Section 8 housing rental assistance
$2 billion to help communities purchase and repair foreclosed housing
$1.5 billion for rental assistance and housing relocation
$510 million for the rehabilitation of Native American housing
$200 million for helping rural Americans buy homes
$130 million for rural community facilities
$100 million to help remove lead paint from public housing

Finally, saying the "Finance, insurance and Real Estate" sectors health is "everybody else's disease" is simply not true. If it were true, that would mean any time that those sectors were doing well, the rest of us would be doing badly. I think most expansions have seen those sectors doing well at the same time most if not all sectors were doing well. I think this is just an author who has thrown unproven assertions out there.

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