What does Kerry say when Bush says, "The world is safer without Saddam.."

[kentuck]

And he will say it several times, to discourage anyone from questioning his premise. If he says it enough times, he believes people will finally accept it as truth. In my opinion, Kerry must respond and question his premise everytime he utters it. This is going to be the foundation of Bush's arguments in the debates.

[private_ryan]

1. see here

he can shut him up for good and win without having to be the "anti-war" candidate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=901030&mesg_id=901030

[Lefty48197]

2. Saddam IS a bastard, and anybody would be better off without him

but the fact that Team Bush has been unable to fulfill our obligation to police Iraq makes the situation WORSE in the short-term. Perhaps a plan to "win the peace" would have been in order? What exactly WAS Bush's plan for post Invasion Iraq? Did he just cross his fingers and hope for the best? Did he think that he could just SAY that everything was peachy keen, and that it would become the truth?

[soothsayer]

3. The world is more dangerous with OBL on the loose and Al Qaeda

unchecked. Saddam was successfuly constrained by us for 12 years, but the villains who attacked the US have gotten off scot free.

[Raster]

4. Call him on it! "The world without Sadam is safer..."? PROVE IT!!!

Name one way that the world is safer without Sadam. No bullshit, no hyperbole or rhetoric. Just truthfully answer the question. And have the VERIFIABLE INFORMATION to back it up.

[napi21]

7. GREAT IDEA! All Pubs are good at the points, but never know why!

I've heard this time and time again on cspan where they have either the host or a guest ask the caller WHY he or she believes that (what ever it is). They always stammer, and stutter, and finally say something stupid, like because W is a good christian man.

[StClone]

17. What they seem to be saying

There was no cost too high in the liberation of Iraq. Dead soldiers and billions of dollars that will come from every tax payer and at the expense of all other needs our country has. Bush is putting Iraqis ahead of Americans!

It is an obvious fallacy that they yearn for a free Iraq as they have no love for brown-skinned people half a world away. They want Saddam for reasons that had nothing to do with freeing peoples anywhere. Lie upon lie with no real proof when they are asked to prove what they say.

[daydreamer]

5. safer

I would like to get rid of all dictators. But that is unrealistic. AL Quada should be our focus. Something to that effect.

[kerryin2004]

32. Starting with our own boy king..n/t

[classof56]

6. I'm thinking "How so, Mr. Bush?" wouldn't cut it

You're right--Kerry needs to be specific and relentless. In what way are we safer? How was Saddam a direct threat to anyone? Why weren't the other ME countries concerned about the danger he posed? True, there have been no more direct attacks on the U.S. since Saddam was overthrown, but since Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 to begin with...well, I'm sure Kerry will know what to say. He might consider asking, What part of the world is safer? Certainly not Iraq!

BUSH MUST GO!!

[Rose Siding]

8. He should quote the State Dept stats on increasing world-wide terrorism

and maybe the number of Americans killed by Iraqis pre and post invasion.

[The empressof all]

9. Ask the families of the dead Iraqi's and American troops

I doubt they would think their families were safer.

[enough]

10. "America is in much more danger because of the Iraq war."

1) Creating new terrorists every day because of the death, destruction , and humiliation we have brought down on Iraq.

2) Diverting biliions upon billions of dollars that could have gone to protection the "homeland" to the failing, no-exit mission in Iraq.

[mzmolly]

11. One simple way to shut his ass up.

"How exactly are we safer Mr. Bush, I want specifics not lofty platitudes" ???

[radfringe]

12. No, but I ask - WHERE'S BIN-LADEN?

No, but I ask - WHERE'S BIN-LADEN?

There's a time and place for war and there are priorities. Which is more of an imminent threat - a dictator that posed no immediate threat to our security and safety or a fundamentalist fanactic who has already proved he is an immediate and VERY REAL threat to our security and safety

When we contemplate war or to engage in a conflict which puts our honorable troops in danger - we must ask - is there a better way, what is the cost in terms of lives and dollars - and should we find there is no alternative except for war, we should spend the time to plan, to gather intelligence and to make sure we know what we are doing every step of the way.

Should Saddam have been removed? Yes, but we should not have blundered carelessly into a war without exhausting all other solutions and planning for such a war in an intelligent, careful and thoughtful manner. We need to also take into consideration our other priorities - such as finding and apprehending Osama Bin-laden.

Saddam, who posed no immediate threat, sits in prison. Osama Bin-Laden, who is an immediate and real threat, is still out there.

[private_ryan]

15. and when Bin Laden is paraded on October 30th

Kerry does what?

[SeekingTruth]

25. This is where every Dem should be on all the talk shows..

pointing out that it won't matter if bin Laden is captured or not because too many more terrorists have been created by Bush's war on Iraq. Now we know the names of Zarqwai, Sadr and other people just as brutal as Saddam.

This is a foundation that we should have been building long ago. It's time for the Dem's to force Lieberman out there as well and get this message across.

[Pepperbelly]

13. With more than a thousand of our soldiers dead, there are now TWO ...

major terrorist havens rather than just the one when we started and that is because YOU CHOSE THE WRONG COURSE, GEORGE W. BUSH.

[Braden]

14. Bring up Bush ties to Saudi Arabia and his total refusal

to do anything about the most dangerous state in the world in relation to america and terrorism.

[soleft]

16. We traded a dictator for Chaos, and the chaos has made us less safe

That's what he said on Letterman

[WindRavenX]

20. seriously?

Damn that's scary...

[VolcanoJen]

21. I liked that line then, and I think he should stick with it.

"We've replaced a dictator with chaos."

[Nancy Waterman]

23. There is one way that the world is better off

though it effects Israel more than us. I think Saddam gave some money (10 or 20 thousand) to the families of suicide bombers in Israel. There is no way of knowing how the loss of this extra funding for their families may or may not have discouraged suicide bombers in Israel. But this had nothing to do with al Qaida. Bush likes to conflate all terrorism in the world rather than just focus on al Qaida. Unfotunately, this has helped bring many movements together rather than keep them focused on their own nationalistic aims (Chechnya and Palestinians for example). He focuses on the terrorism rather than on the issues that each group is fighting for.

[Zen Democrat]

18. We're less safe now than in March 2003. Period.

[JI7]

19. it's not about Saddam, it's about Bush's failures once the troops caught

saddam. bush's failure in not having a plan and other failures which resulted in the mess.

[Francine Frensky]

22. Terrorism in Iraq has INCREASED since Saddam's capture, PLUS

wasn't there an article posted saying Saddam was going to try to run in the Iraq election in January?? And that he had something like 40% support??

I don't know if that article was legit, but what a kick in the head that would be if Saddam was elected in January.

[SeekingTruth]

24. "Yes, Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator....

and in Hell he will be treated accordingly, but our war is against radical and militant Islamic fundamentalists and if you recall, Hussein has been very secular. I do not know of him ever cutting the heads off of Americans. That would be bin Laden, al Queda and the Taliban - known enemies of Hussein. And sadly, since you turned your attention to Hussein and allowed al Queda to regroup, the capture of bin Ladin will not be as effective as what it would have been if he had of been captured back in 2001 when you declared he would be captured 'dead or alive'. And this is because, your mismanaged and incompetent exursion into Iraq has created one hundred more bin Laden's and one is named Zarqawi."


On a side note, isn't it something that most Americans can't tell the difference between a brutal DICTATOR versus that of group of people who use terrorist acts to further their cause. Under the strict sense of the word "terrorist", Hussein sort of does not meet the classic definition. He was a conqueror of people, tribes and near by countries, but I can't recall him utilizing classic terrorist tactics. To me, terrorizing your countries people isn't classic terrorism. Does that make sense?

[TexasSissy]

26. He says Saddam was evil, but that was not enough reason to go

to war with Iraq and suffer all that we have suffered because of it, esp. since it diverted us from the real war on terror.

[warrior1]

27. The world will

be safer when bush is out of power.

[Bad Thoughts]

28. Capturing OBL will not defeat al Qaeda

The organization has regrouped, decentralized and found new leaders. Killing or capturing one man will make no difference.

[mzmolly]

31. And capturing Saddam Hussein won't defeat terrorism.

:shrug:

Adding, Capturing Osama Bin Laden would put a dent in terrorist moral - you can bet.

[Sparkly]

29. "It's kind of like exterminating a cockroach by blowing up your house"

"Sure, you're glad the cockroach is gone, but there were better ways to go about it. The losses were unnecessary; and now we need to talk about how to deal with the devastation that's left."

[kerryin2004]

33. best analogy!

If I was Kerry I would use this..

[Senior citizen]

34. Beautiful! You nailed it, Sparkly. n/t

[saccheradi]

30. a straightforward response...

"So you're saying it was worth 1050+ dead americans, countless dead Innocent Iraqis, 200 billion dollars spent from an already growing deficit and the total destruction of our good name throughout the world in order to throw Saddam in jail instead of Bin Laden???"

"Where's the logic in that???"

[Radical Activist]

35. What world are you living in?

Before this war no Americans were being killed by Iraqis. Now over 1,000 US soldiers are dead and Iraq has become a breeding ground and safe haven for Al-Qaeda. America is more hated than it has ever been due to your lack of leadership. America will never be safer under your Presidency, Mr. Bush.