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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:03 PM
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W...WTF is this shit?
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040926/pl_nm/campaign_bush_mission_dc_2

He has no regrets about Mission Accomplished? Even KARL ROVE had regrets about that little stunt! What the hell is going on inside that useless husk of tissue the Chimp calls a brain???????

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) said he had no regrets about donning a flight suit to give his "Mission Accomplished" speech on Iraq (news - web sites) in May 2003 and would do it all over again if he had the chance, according to excerpts from an television interview released on Sunday.

When asked by Fox News if he still would have put on a flight suit to declare major combat operations in Iraq over, Bush replied, "Absolutely."

When Bush gave his May 1 speech fewer than 150 Americans had died in the war.Since then more than 900 have died.

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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:07 PM
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1. My heart's a-flutter... I do so love a resolute man! Bush is no flip-flop
Scratch that, he's a flop. :thumbsdown:
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:09 PM
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2. I'm posting this here because the other link is to slow
As far as pissing off * in the debate, Kerry should find away to slip in the "Bring it on" phrase that * used and then go on to list all that has been brought on with our go it alone policy. Nation Security requires global articipation and *'s with us or against us has left many against us and they, the insurgents have truly brought it on to our soldiers who are fighting W's war alone.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:10 PM
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3. Bush has never , ever admitted he's been wrong about anything, anytime.
Like some platitude from a John Wayne 'B' movie, Bush's creed is "I never apologize...it's a sign of weakness."

:crazy:
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:08 AM
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17. That's exactly what it boils down to...
He will NEVER admit he made a mistake about anything - and it doesn't matter how many people die,how many countries despise us, or how much damage his administration has done. In his arrogant and delusional mind, he never has to apologize for anything.:mad:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:10 PM
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4. Edit--I read the story. He said it in a Bill O'Reilly interview.
Edited on Sun Sep-26-04 02:12 PM by blondeatlast
They'll eat it with a spoon, then lick the cup.

:puke:
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:13 PM
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6. Oh course he would do it again. He loves to play dress up
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:13 PM
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5. Remember he LIED about who put that sign on the ship
Bald faced lie, no shame.

I promise to bust bush on every LIE he tells, large or small, whether it's about his bogus poetry or the nonexistent WMDs. Every LIE he tells, the public needs to know about it.

He has lied consistently about his Guard service. He lied aobut it just the other day, in the Russert interview on MTP. And so it is our patriotic duty to call him on it, to out him as the FRAUD IN CHIEF.

Mr. Bush brought the issue of his Guard service to the fore when he pranced on the deck of the Lincoln in that flight suit.

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Bush's denial that the WH placed the banner on the carrier:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031028-2.html

Q Mr. President, if I may take you back to May 1st when you stood on the USS Lincoln under a huge banner that said, "Mission Accomplished." At that time you declared major combat operations were over, but since that time there have been over 1,000 wounded, many of them amputees who are recovering at Walter Reed, 217 killed in action since that date. Will you acknowledge now that you were premature in making those remarks?

THE PRESIDENT: Nora, I think you ought to look at my speech. I said, Iraq is a dangerous place and we've still got hard work to do, there's still more to be done. And we had just come off a very successful military operation. I was there to thank the troops.

The "Mission Accomplished" sign, of course, was put up by the members of the USS Abraham Lincoln, saying that their mission was accomplished. I know it was attributed some how to some ingenious advance man from my staff -- they weren't that ingenious, by the way. But my statement was a clear statement, basically recognizing that this phase of the war for Iraq was over and there was a lot of dangerous work. And it's proved to be right, it is dangerous in Iraq. It's dangerous in Iraq because there are people who can't stand the thought of a free and peaceful Iraq. It is dangerous in Iraq because there are some who believe that we're soft, that the will of the United States can be shaken by suiciders -- and suiciders who are willing to drive up to a Red Cross center, a center of international help and aid and comfort, and just kill.


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The Banner, hung (and designed? and produced?) by the USS Lincoln crew, according to Bush. Looks suspiciously similar to backdrops we see at every Bush speech:



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Bush handlers stage manage every aspect of his appearances, including this one:

Keepers of Bush image lift stagecraft to new heights
By Elisabeth Bumiller
New York Times
Friday, May 16, 2003 Posted: 7:08 AM EDT (1108 GMT)

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/16/nyt.bumiller/

The president's image makers, Mr. Bartlett said, work within a budget for White House travel and events allotted by Congress, which for fiscal 2003 was $3.7 million. He said he did not know the specific cost of staging Mr. Bush's Sept. 11 anniversary speech, or what the White House was charged for the lights. A spokeswoman at the headquarters of Musco Lighting in Oskaloosa, Iowa, said the company did not disclose the prices it charged clients.

<snip>

The most elaborate — and criticized — White House event so far was Mr. Bush's speech aboard the Abraham Lincoln announcing the end of major combat in Iraq. White House officials say that a variety of people, including the president, came up with the idea, and that Mr. Sforza embedded himself on the carrier to make preparations days before Mr. Bush's landing in a flight suit and his early evening speech.

Media strategists noted afterward that Mr. Sforza and his aides had choreographed every aspect of the event, even down to the members of the Lincoln crew arrayed in coordinated shirt colors over Mr. Bush's right shoulder and the "Mission Accomplished" banner placed to perfectly capture the president and the celebratory two words in a single shot. The speech was specifically timed for what image makers call "magic hour light," which cast a golden glow on Mr. Bush.

"If you looked at the TV picture, you saw there was flattering light on his left cheek and slight shadowing on his right," Mr. King said. "It looked great." <more>


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Bush handlers admit that the event was SO stage-managed that the ship had to slow down so San Diego would not be visible to the cameras


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A22502-2003May6?language=printer

Explanation for Bush's Carrier Landing Altered
By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 7, 2003; Page A20

President Bush chose to make a jet landing on an aircraft carrier last week even after he was told he could easily reach the ship by helicopter, the White House said yesterday, changing the explanation it gave for Bush's "Top Gun" style event.

Bush's televised landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln, for which the president wore a flight suit and a helmet and took underwater survival training in the White House swimming pool, was the dramatic start to a visit to the carrier that included an air show and a televised speech to the nation. In his address, the president declared victory in Iraq in front of cheering sailors and a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished."

White House officials had said, both before and after Bush's landing in a Navy S-3B Viking jet, that he took the plane solely to avoid inconveniencing the sailors, who were returning home after a deployment of nearly 10 months. The officials said that Bush decided not to wait until the ship was in helicopter range to avoid delaying the troops' homecoming.

But instead of the carrier being hundreds of miles offshore, as aides had said it would be, the Lincoln was only about 30 miles from the coast when Bush made his "tail-hook" landing, in which the jet was stopped by cables on deck. Navy officers slowed and turned the ship when land became visible.


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http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/27_mission.html
'Mission accomplished': Bush brag or Demo fib?
U.S. News- Washington Whispers ^ | 09/29/03 | Paul Bedard

After weeks of Democratic assaults that President Bush was a nitwit for declaring "mission accomplished" in Iraq during his May 1 landing and victory speech on the USS Abraham Lincoln, the White House is bidding to set the story straight. The issue should be a simple one: Bush never uttered those words. "The president," argues communications boss Dan Bartlett, "said exactly the opposite: The mission continues." But Bush stood under a banner declaring "mission accomplished." Why? Bartlett says that the Lincoln's captain had the banner made up to thank his crew for the longest-ever carrier tour, not to declare the war over. "It is something the troops are really proud of," says Bartlett. "Of course they can hang the banner." But the picture was all the Demos needed. "On TV," he says, "they never play the bite of the president, they just show the image with the banner." Democratic polls show that the public buys their spin, which doesn't really surprise Bartlett. "Look, perception becomes reality," he says. "But the facts don't back it up."

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/28/national2020EST0815.DTL

After the news conference, a White House spokeswoman said the Lincoln's crew asked the White House to have the sign made. The White House asked a private vendor to produce the sign, and the crew put it up, said the spokeswoman. She said she did not know who paid for the sign.

Later, a Pentagon spokesman called The Associated Press to reiterate that the banner was the crew's idea.

"It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew," Navy Cmdr. Conrad Chun said, adding the president's visit marked the end of the ship's 10-month international deployment.

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"The president's image makers, Mr. Bartlett said, work within a budget for White House travel and events allotted by Congress, which for fiscal 2003 was $3.7 million."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/16/nyt.bumiller/

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Asked if Bush had misled people by appearing in front of the banner, McClellan said "the Navy put it up and it was the Navy at the -- asked us to take care of the production of the banner. And we said that yesterday."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1517&e=13&u=/afp/us_bush_iraq_mission

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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/03/national/03LETT.html

WHITE HOUSE LETTER
Two Words on a Banner That No Author Wants to Claim
By ELISABETH BUMILLER
Published: November 3, 2003

<snip>

....Gen. Wesley K. Clark told reporters that Mr. Bush's comments were outrageous and added, "I guess the next thing we're going to hear is that the sailors told him to wear the flight suit and prance around on the aircraft carrier."

<snip, wherein the author tries and tries to find out WHO on the ship requested the banner>

Next stop was again Mr. McClellan, who was told that so far the Navy had not produced a "Mission Accomplished" accomplice. Mr. McClellan said he would see what he could do. Soon enough, Commander Daniels called to say that one person in the meetings preparing for the ship's homecoming was Cmdr. Ron Horton, the executive officer of the Lincoln and the ship's second in command.

Commander Horton was too busy to come to the phone, Lt. Cmdr. Daniels said, but he recounted what he said Commander Horton had told him about a shipboard meeting in late April with officers of the Lincoln and members of the White House advance team. The team, including security, had boarded the ship in Hawaii around April 28 to make preparations for the president's speech — some 75 to 100 people strong.

"The White House said, `Is there anything we can do for you?' " Commander Daniels said. "Somebody in that meeting said, `You know, it would sure look good if we could have a banner that said `Mission Accomplished.' "

And who was that someone? "No one really remembers," Commander Daniels said.

<more>
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:25 PM
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9. first-person account (satirical) supporting Bush's version...
;-)

http://www.lasvegasmercury.com/2004/MERC-Jun-10-Thu-2004/24052231.html

<snip>

Rear Admiral John Kelly is just the kind of leader you want at sea: strong but fair. I told him what me and the guys were cooking up and he listened patiently.

"I like your initiative, Seamen Whetsel," Kelly said. "I do. It shows spunk. But I can't allow it."

"Well, sir," I sputtered, "it's just that it'd mean so much to the fellas."

"Dammit, don't you think I know that?" Kelly said. "I'd do anything to make this crew happy. But it's a naked, partisan political ploy and I can't allow it on the taxpayers' dime."

I knew he was right, but, golly, it just felt wrong. If any president deserved a fancy banner that he knew absolutely nothing about beforehand, by God it was this one. But I just snapped off a smart salute and went back to my quarters to break the news to some heartbroken sailors. A lot of guys would have said that's that. A lot of guys would have just quit. But it ain't in us, and I'll always wonder if Cmdr. Kelly knew that when he turned us down.

more...
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:02 AM
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15. Too funny
I'm sure that's how it happened!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:44 PM
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14. And we can count on Bill to nail him on it, too.
I was all ready to say this would bite him badly in the ass, but it won't on Bill O'Reilly's show.

:puke:
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:16 PM
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7. if he admits that he regrets the speech
then he admits that he was wrong - and if he was wrong on the speech then what else was he wrong about?

can't have the people thinking he's capable of mistakes...he was "annointed" by god ya know
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 02:21 PM
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8. he sits at the right hand of god
he is the chosen one.
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luaneryder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:12 PM
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10. That's what Babs calls him
What's that make her?
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:53 PM
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11. "Stay the course," even if it leads to Armageddon...
* is utterly incapable of admitting that he **ever** made a mistake.
Not a very desirable trait for the (pretending) chief executive of the United States.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:22 PM
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12. Well, do you expect him to be honest?
Bush would never admit to regretting *anything*--it's not in his nature. And anyway, he's too arrogant to see that particular faux pas as anything really damaging to him.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:30 PM
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13. I'll believe his statement when he puts on the suit
and lands on the tarmac of Baghdad internationial and struts around like he's da man.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:06 AM
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16. Americans are the rats being led off the cliff by the Pied Piper
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