did dean just lie on fox film?

[bearfartinthewoods]

when asked if he still believed iowa caucases were dominated by extremists he repied "i never have believed that"

what was the exact text of the iowa comment?

[jujube2]

1. if it was on Faux it might not be true n/t

[bearfartinthewoods]

4. i'm asking for refutation

[jujube2]

8. did they say he said it or did they actually show video of him saying it?

though even with video it could have been manipulated

[bearfartinthewoods]

25. film, for both statements

[jujube2]

30. did either look doctored or edited together? n/t

[bearfartinthewoods]

31. both were face shots and continuous, without edits IMHO

[jujube2]

32. and are you sure it was really Howard Dean and not a look alike or CGI?

[bearfartinthewoods]

33. i do now, but i asked before they reran the clips

[jujube2]

34. sorry, I updated my reply because I thought of 1 final question...

But if the answer to this is "it was really him" then for sure you have your answer.

[bearfartinthewoods]

49. sweet tea...yes..it was dean

in one shot he was participating in a panel and the other, leaving a campaign event.

[John_H]

72. Are you sure it wans't a FOX built Lying Android Dean?

[jujube2]

83. good point. It could have been an android, or more likely, a clone

[jadesfire]

85. even i don't believe they would do that...

[Cheswick2.0]

2. you are the only democrat I know who watches fox

why torture yourself with that mindless crap network?

[bearfartinthewoods]

5. i don't enjoy the feelling of sand in my nose and eyes?

[TexasSissy]

67. I watch it sometimes to see the spin the Repubs are putting on

the current events. I also check out rnc.org and Georgie Bush's website occasionally.

That's where I learned about the RNC's national redistricting plan. There was a map of the U.S. and everything showing where the efforts were going to be targeted, where they had been successful, etc.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

69. I turn it on when I know the Pugs are going to "rip" up Bush (immigration)

It's veeery entertaining. Mostly, though, I can't watch 5 minutes without hurling.

We really should force ourselves more to watch what the enemy is doing - since FAUX is the most popular network.

[tedoll78]

3. Probably.

Everything Dean says is a lie. He is the devil.

[bearfartinthewoods]

6. well that was helpful

three non-responsive responses...i take it he did lie then?

[tedoll78]

7. Well..

I don't know the exact text of the comments, and I don't really care. They don't matter to me; I personally find it a petty issue. Those whining about it probably didn't like Dean to begin with and were grasping for something, anything with which to bash him, since nothing else could topple him from his frontrunner's perch. Besides, no matter what text I may present to you, you will forever be engaged to the belief that Dean is Satan on earth.

[bearfartinthewoods]

9. the text of the comment COULD prove that your candidate did not just

out and out lie on TV. but since whether or not he is a liar doesn't matter to you, i understand your reluctance.

[bearfartinthewoods]

10. well i just heard it with my own ears.

"the causcuses are dominated by special interests, on both side in both parties"

"i have never believed this"
well that's a lie in my book.

i shall now refer to him as the certified liar dean.

[ClintonTyree]

13. Somehow.................

I get the feeling that it doesn't much matter to you. You've hated Dean from the beginning and even if he didn't say it, I'm sure it isn't going to change your mind. We're quite aware of your position, why continue with these silly inquisitions?

[bearfartinthewoods]

15. why does the fact that he is a csrtified liar not affect your support ?

how can you believe what he says about any issue? on what do you base your belief of him.

in fact, i started the celebration thread the night he broke his first back so obviously i haven't hated him from the begining.

you can apologize for that untrue statment anytime.

my opinion started to change the first time i saw him lie on film. i'm very curious why other don't respond in a similar manner as they see him continue to lie.

[ClintonTyree]

19. Oh please..............

you're starting to sound like a Republican pundit. Something could be found on every candidate like this, yet you continue to single out Dean as if he's Satan himself. I'm not going to respond to any more of your insipid rants. Buhbye!

[bearfartinthewoods]

21. another non responsive dean supported refuses further comment

film at eleven..

[Devils Advocate NZ]

26. What came before "the"?

What did you cut out to make the quote? You have removed the context completely, and have not provided a link so we can see for ourselves.

For all I know Dean really said "Some people think the causcuses are dominated by special interests, on both sides in both parties, but I disagree."

Post the entire context or post a link to where you got this quote from, otherwise it is meaningless and can not be trusted.

Disclaimer: I do not support Dean, or the unindicted war criminal Clark.

[bearfartinthewoods]

36. i saw it on film

call me a liar or find the quote yourself....i can't link to the film or my brain.

[retyred]

66. What about

"I am the only Democratic Candidate that is a certified liar dean"


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[tedoll78]

11. If it is a lie, I put it in the same league as..

Clinton lying about sex. I don't really care. That's not important to me.

If that's important to you, good for you. Harp on it and see what kind of mileage you'll get. In the meantime, I'll be sitting here, laughing my ass off.. :)

Cheers!

[bearfartinthewoods]

16. i don't find the prospect of spending months on end

defending a cerified liar at all amusing. i can't imagine why anyone would find lying so funny.

[tedoll78]

18. Actually..

I'm not laughing at the lie. I'm laughing at you.

[bearfartinthewoods]

22. gee...really? i didn't understand what you meant </sarcasm>

unfortunately the joke will be on all of us if this certified liar gets the nomination because there are enough people willing to accept a liar as the best we can put forth.

[tedoll78]

23. Okay, okay..

You've shamed and scared me into supporting another candidate - thank goodness for the superiority of your judgement! Whom shall I support, o expert of all things primary?

:)

[bearfartinthewoods]

27. i never claimed expertise on all things primary

i can, however, recognize a lie when i see it on film and i can understand that having a proven liar as a nominee is a problem.

can you?

[tedoll78]

28. You bet I can.

And I can distinguish when lies are big, and when they are petty. Impressive, eh?

So, whom shall I support? You've shamed me! ;(

[bearfartinthewoods]

35. a petty lie is telling your wife her new dress is your favorite

lying about your past positions and beliefs is hardly petty.

if he lies about this, who's to say he isn't lying about oh...let's say...deficit reduction.

flash forward three years...bush is caught kicking a pregnant woman on film so dean wins the presidency. a reporter asks why, after two years, he hasn't presented a program for deficit reduction as he said he would.

the certified liar responds "I never said that"

what is it with this guy that he can't ever say "I WAS WRONG"

IMHO, the inability to admit error is one of the most dangerous personality traits imaginable in a president.

[Name removed]

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[bearfartinthewoods]

40. yeah...i loved that bit

everyone knows edwards put it to him on that lie and he was forced to apologize. so...when asked to admit a mistake he had made he used that very old issue insead of some of the newer lies he has told about DK and others.

really slick

:puke:

[chimpymustgo]

12. Bearfart, was that when he was interviewed Friday in NH walking down

a hallway in a Carl Cameron report? Perhaps you can find a transcript.

[bearfartinthewoods]

17. i just saw it...they re-ran it .

[jadesfire]

87. he's not satan, and he's not a liberal

[papau]

55. no - he compared caucus to primary - said nothing about Iowa

and later said he learned - learning - what a concept - ( special interest - a given per me - in a caucus!) that caucus has great value.

[jadesfire]

86. at this point it's just one more lie, oh- i'm sorry 'flip flop'

oh wait, that wasn't a flip flop either, it's just that he's grown so much in the last four years and despite his record... he's really LEARNED more about the process and has changed his mind on this issue.

Just like he changed his mind about the age that social security kicks in, just like he's 'changed his mind' on NAFTA, just like he's 'changed his mind' on medicare, just like he's 'changed his mind' on ahajdhahahahhahahahhhhhhhhh!

i am sorry but this is just ridiculous. how many times are we going to let people get away with this?

[DoctorMyEyes]

14. Here's the transcript

of what Dean said a few years ago on a talk show. I don't know what happened on Faux News - but I've seen the hatchet job on MSNBC and CNN and only run this sentence of the clip:

"I can't stand there and listen to everyone else's opinion for eight hours about how to fix the world."

I don't know the context of the "extremist" comment because that wasn't stressed on CNN and so (I assume) wasn't included here. If the context of that comment has been as "tampered" with I would not be surprised. Hopefully someone will post a transcript of the entire show. Personally I think this is all bullshit and the same kind of thing they did to the Clintons. Beware of ellipses and creatively edited audio/visual....

*************
Dean: On a Saturday, is it easy for me to go cast a ballot and spend 15 minutes doing it, or do I have to sit in a caucus for 8 hours?

Guest: This is a good thing, though.

Dean: I don't think so. I don't have the time to do it. It doesn't get people involved. It drives people out of the process, and leaves the people who are left in the process -- the professional people who get paid to be there.

Guest: Let the people in the neighborhoods convince you, say...

Dean: They can't convince me. I've got my kid's soccer game. I've got my second job. I've got all these other reasons that I can't do these things.

Guest: If that's the case, the 15 minutes you're going to devote to politics in your year is a pretty perfunctory involvement in politics.

Dean: Not necessarily. I read the papers, maybe I watch television. I form my opinions, I get to go exercise my opinion. But I can't stand there and listen to everyone else's opinion for eight hours about how to fix the world.

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/003038.html

[bearfartinthewoods]

20. well it's interestig that he didn't feel the iowa causcas was worth eight

hours but that wasn't the quote i was talking about and posted above.

[chimpymustgo]

24. Dean said: "Never have believed that." responding to the question

"Do you still think the Iowa caucuses are dominated by special interests.

I just listened again on the Fox site. Now you can damn the messenger. Or you can listen to Howard Dean open his mouth and contradict exactly what he said earlier. Yes, he lied.

[JaneQPublic]

29. Quotes From an MSNBC Article...

In their quotes of him, if accurate, he says the caucus system is dominated by "special interests," which in turn don't represent the public's "centrist tendencies" but the "extremes."

Here's the articles whole section on his caucus remarks:

Harsh remarks on caucuses

“If you look at the caucuses system, they are dominated by the special interests in both parties,” he said. “ the special interests don't represent the centrist tendencies of the American people. They represent the extremes. And then you get a president who is beholden to either one extreme or the other, and where the average person is in the middle.”

He added, “Here's what happens: Say I'm a guy who's got to work for a living, and I've got kids and so forth. On a Saturday, is it easy for me to go cast a ballot and spend 15 minutes doing it, or do I have to sit in a caucus for eight hours? … I can’t stand there and listen to everyone else’s opinion for eight hours about how to fix the world.”
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3908334/

(Edited to add URL.)

[virtualobserver]

44. This "Dean is a liar" nonsense reminds me of the "gore is a liar"campaign

in 2000. It sickens me. How very Republican.

[bearfartinthewoods]

57. except gore wasn't a liar like dean

it should be even easier to paint a certified liar as a liar than it was with gore.

we are soooo screwed.

[virtualobserver]

58. "Certified Liar"

IF you enjoy supporting the Fox News spin, I hope it is truly satisfying to you.

It must make watching Fox news enjoyable for you, and I certainly wouldn't want to deny you that.

[TLM]

94. FOX is the only place that hates Dean as much as some folks here

So it is no surprise they'd turn to fox for spin to support their hate for Dean.

[JaneQPublic]

59. Give us an example of Dean lying

Most of the time they raise a flap over a Dean statement, it's not because he was untruthful, but un-PC, un-CW.

The couple times I can think when he said something inaccurate, he corrected himself a few days later.

[fernwoods]

62. If he is nominated, Republicans will use his lies to their benefit

I think Dean has been selected by those that control our government from behind the scenes because it will be so easy to use his lies against him. The media took one little insignificant lie of Gore's, which was probably taken out of context in order to make it a lie, and made everyone think he is a big liar. Think of what they will do with Dean's continuous lies like that he is the only one that was against the war from the beginning. Kucinich is a man oh honesty and integrity who actually voted against the war.

[newyawker99]

78. Hi fernwoods!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[ima_sinnic]

38. whatever

you obviously don't like dean (is that an understatement, or what), so don't vote for him.

simple as that.

[virtualobserver]

39. "grasping at straws" barely describes this

maybe grasping at straw fragments

[bearfartinthewoods]

43. more like searching for a thread of truth in the mess of this campaign.

dean supporter's new theme song.

'lie to me...i promise i'll believe" by sheryl crow.

[virtualobserver]

45. reminds me of the "Gore is a liar" campaign in 2000

very Republican.

[bearfartinthewoods]

60. please stop comparring gore to the certified liar dean

it's not nice

[Aunt Eunice]

41. They're still showing it..

I saw it at about 8:20 on Faux.

He was moving down a hall surrounded by what looked like local reporters asking about the previous statement from the Canadian show.

He clearly said, "I have never believed that".

Dean kind of reminds me of Clinton, telling a lie, when the truth would work better.

[Skittles]

74. does he remind you of BUSH

whose lies GET PEOPLE KILLED EVERY DAY?????

[bearfartinthewoods]

81. yes, actually , he does....that's my problem with him

has anyone noticed him starting to bounce up and down when he says something he thinks is funny?

[Aunt Eunice]

101. No, he doesn't remind me of Bush..

..as I said, he reminds me of Clinton, who allowed his own lies to squander the opportunity of his second term.

The faithful are willing to overlook this flaw in Dean, the general population may not be as forgiving, thinking, "what's the point of replacing one liar with another?".

End result, Bush, whose "lies gets people killed" gets his second term.

[wyldwolf]

42. Yeah he lied. Here is his exact quote:

"If you look at the caucuses system, they are dominated by the special interests, in both sides, in both parties. The special interests don't represent the centrist tendencies of the American people. They represent the extremes."

[Democrats unite]

47. Has Dean got the Patton yet for foot in Mouth?

eom

[wyldwolf]

48. but... but...

He didn't say Iowa caucuses. So he didn't mean Iowa. See? Yeah. That's the ticket!

[virtualobserver]

54. but...but..Gore is a liar....Gore keeps re-inventing himself.....

Gore lied about his mother singing the "union label" song in his crib.


Thank the Lord that Gore the liar didn't become President.

[blm]

71. Gore WASN'T a liar. Dean IS. Big difference.

.

[TLM]

95. No, there's no difference...

The accusations of Gore lies are just as desperate and baseless as those directed at Dean. It is the same exact crap... they twist what was said, change a words here or there, or paraphrase then use that to attack.

And the so called Democrats doing it to Dean now are just as bad as the republicans who did it to Gore.

That's why they both need to watch FOX news to find their bullshit attacks and to seek out others who share their hate for the Democratic front runner.


The fact is Dean made a general comment about the caucus process being dominated by special interests who represent extremes, as opposed to representing the average folks in the middle who can't spend 8 hours at a caucus because of jobs and family etc.

Then someone asked Dean if he thinks the IOWA caucus is STILL dominated by extremists. That's clearly an attempt at twisting what he said into a direct attack on the Iowa caucus goers instead of a general comments about a flaw in the process. Dean was right, the question did not reflect what he had said.

But then that was the point of the question. It was a "have you stopped beating your wife yet" kind of question... so when Dean denies it some little idiots can cry that he's contradicting what he previously said, even though the question was not accurately summarizing what he had said. It is exactly the same crap as saying Gore claimed he invented the Internet... just a little twist on what he really said about helping create the internet in congress, and then when he denies it, attack him for lying.

It sickens me to see so many so called democrats so desperate to attack Dean they have to resort to parroting fox news garbage. When we all know that Fox news is for idiots who hate democrats and have no interests in the facts or the truth.

[JaneQPublic]

50. But the question was...

...according to the original poster of this thread, if he still believed iowa caucases were dominated by EXTREMISTS.

He said they were "dominated by SPECIAL INTERESTS," who in turn represent "the extremes."

Granted, that's a rather Clintonesqu distinction, but still, he never mentioned "extremists."

[wyldwolf]

51. In the real world, logic dictates that extremists represent the extremes..

...just an observation.

[JaneQPublic]

52. But are "extremists" the same as "special interests"?

Because what he said was that the caucuses were dominated by "special interests."

However, the question was if he still thought the caucuses were dominated by "extremists."

Not to belabor the issue, but...

(edited for typo)

[wyldwolf]

56. Is the trial lawyer association the same as trial lawyers?

It seems clear that Dean's use of "special interests" denoted those special interests that appeal to the extemes of both parties.

The Christian Coalition.

The NRA.

Greenpeace - type environmental organizations...

Types of interests that are not in step with what Dean termed "centrist tendencies" of Americans.

Do I call someone who is a christian zealot (militant anti-abortion, pro-prayer in schools, anti-evolution teaching, etc.) an extemist? Yes.

I also call the special interests that represents them extremists? Yes again

[markus]

63. Precisely!

Fox, in typical We Work For the Republican fashion, turned Dean's words against him. This was the question of an opponnent, not a reporter.

And who was that smirking jerk covering Dean? He looked so damned happy to have caught Dean up in this. He has exactly the same demented smile as the (animated) Grinch.

I think Dean and the rest of the Dems should through Fox News off of their campaigns, to make a clear statement that they are an arm of the GOP and not real journalists.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

70. That would be smart. Throw the #1 news channel off their campaigns

We have to come to grips with the fact that Fox is what the sheeple watch. O'Reilly blows all of the competition away. All of the Fox shows blow away everything on CNN and MSNBC. There was something on here the other days that showed the ratings and it was shocking (and disheartening).

I try to forget it myself - but it's a reality we have to face....

[TLM]

96. Exactly... just like "invented the Internet"

when what Gore said was he was the guy in congress who took the initiative creating the internet.


These fox fuckheads and the idiots who happily swallow the anti-dem crap that FOx feeds them... take a statement and twist it, then when the person says that's not what they said, they accuse them of lying.


Another point, is that Dean was making a general comment about the process, and this reporter tried to twist it into a direct attack on the Iowa caucus goers.

[patricia92243]

46. I guess Bush truthfullness is so outstanding that nobody else can compare

favorably next to it. (sarcasm)

[bearfartinthewoods]

53. you see, i'd like our nominee to actually different than bush

meet the new boss.....same as the old boss.

[virtualobserver]

61. votin' for the same war, votin' for the same patriot act?

Different like that?

Or Different like Kucinich, who actually voted against those things.

[sandnsea]

80. But you're for Dean

Who supported the war and supports the Patriot Act because he isn't going to repeal it any damn way. And now he's even going back on his we've got to repeal ALL the Bush tax cuts mantra.

What the hell is there to support?? Nothing. Nothing at all.

For god's sake wake up before it's too late.

[blm]

91. Care to explain how Biden-Lugar was an antiwar position?

Care to explain WHAT in Dean's record proves to you he would NOT have voted for the Patriot Act?

Hell, Dean SUGGESTED a Patriot Act right after 9-11. The sanctimony in your post on both of these issues is unearned if you support Dean.

>>>>>>>

Dean said Wednesday he believed that the attacks and their aftermath would "require a re-evaluation of the importance of some of our specific civil liberties. I think there are going to be debates about what can be said where, what can be printed where, what kind of freedom of movement people have and whether it's OK for a policeman to ask for your ID just because you're walking down the street."

Dean said he had not taken a position on these questions. Asked whether he meant that specific rights described in the Bill of Rights - the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution - would have to be trimmed, the governor said:

"I haven't gotten that far yet. I think that's unlikely, but I frankly haven't gotten that far. Again, I think that's a debate that we will have."

http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/News/Story/33681.html

[TLM]

97. Sure, right after you point out the part in BL that authorized invasion

and take over of Iraq.

Kerry supported this war, and even said Saddam had nukes.

You can not defend Kerry for that, so all you can do is desperately try to claim Dean was just as dirt because he supported Biden Lugar.

Yet the facts are Biden Lugar was nowhere near the IWR, it had more limitations, more requirements and stricter guidelines for actions in Iraq.

To claim they were the same is total desperate bullshit. The ACLU proves that quite nicely...and frankly they have WAY more credibility than some desperate Dean opponent who is pissed because Kerry's campaign is crashing and burning.


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, October 2, 2002

WASHINGTON - The American Civil Liberties Union today said that a bipartisan Senate compromise on a resolution allowing the President to use force to oust Saddam Hussein is far more faithful to the Constitution than the blank check resolution being lobbied for by the White House.

"Thankfully, this compromise embodies the lessons learned from the Gulf of Tonkin incident," said Timothy Edgar, an ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Granting the President a blank check to engage in overseas adventures is a recipe for human tragedy. This compromise resolution acknowledges those lessons."

In its letter to the Senate, the ACLU reiterated that it is neutral on whether the United States should go to war. However, it told the Senate that it remains firm in its conviction that the Constitutional obligations on Congress to make decisions about war need to be respected, especially with foreign policy questions of this magnitude.

The new resolution, negotiated by Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Joseph Biden (D-DE) and Former Chairman Richard Lugar (R-IN), eliminates most of the similarities between the resolution the President wanted and the disastrous Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which led to a decade-long morass in which tens of thousands of Americans lost their lives.

Specifically, the Biden-Lugar compromise:

Clearly identifies the enemy. The proposed resolution closes the door to regional adventures in the Middle East. Under the proposed compromise, the President would have to seek additional Congressional authorization if he wished to widen the conflict in the region.
Spells out clear military objectives. Congress would hold a tight leash on the current conflict. This would be in marked contrast to its role in the Vietnam War, which was lost in part because of nebulous war aims. The Biden-Lugar compromise realizes the folly of sending troops into harm's way without delineating the specific military objectives to be accomplished.

Reaffirms the American conviction that war-making power should lie with the people. In contrast with the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, the Biden-Lugar compromise would respect the ongoing prerogatives of Congress during military engagement. The Constitution demands that American military decisions involving the use of force rest only with the people's representatives in Congress.

The ACLU's letter on the Biden-Lugar compromise can be found at:
http://archive.aclu.org/congress/l100202a.html

[PatrickS]

64. Fox Film?!?!?

Bwahahahahahaaha!!!

Credibility = zero!

[KaraokeKarlton]

65. The quote was presented out of context

Dean was making the point that every day working people are at a disadvantage with a caucus system because rather than spend 15 minutes to case a vote, they have to spend 8 hours and miss work. That's rough for working people to lose a day of work when you have a family to feed. That's why he felt caucuses were geared more towards special interests activists. It wasn't a horrible comment at all. It was just spun, like usual.

[jadesfire]

88. the caucus starts at 6pm and ends about 8pm

no one misses work or spends eight hours there

[AngryAmish]

68. Why would anyone believe Fox?

They lie about everything. I have no doubt that they have no problem creating false images and film. Do not be so gullible.

[bearfartinthewoods]

73. you can't really believe what you just said

[TLM]

99. Which part that FOX lies...

or that someone would have to be either desperate or a fucking moron to parrot their crap?

[diamondsoul]

77. The law of averages

dictates that even FOX will eventually say something truthful.

[FubarFly]

75. Extremists?

Hardly. Dean made a point about how it is difficult for a working class person to attend the caucuses. He surmised that that would leave the caucuses in the hands of extreme special interests. This was a credible theory. He has since learned that there is far more active citizen participation in Iowa then he first surmised.

I have theories as well. For instance, I can make a logical argument about the true motives of some of the posters on this board. Even if mine was a sound theory, it doesn't mean I believe it. When presented with the fact that certain people may be more reasonable then I first expected, I can accept that my theory may have been wrong. I won't believe my theories unless I have enough concrete evidence to substantiate them.

Now here is another theory I have: Fox News' "gotcha" soundbites are not a credible source of information. Would anyone care to disprove it?

[w4rma]

76. Dean said "special interests", not EXTREMISTS. (n/t)

[mzmolly]

92. They'll be no making sense around here w4rma!

:spank: ;)

[Sean Reynolds]

79. Firstly he said special interests.

Secondly, he never pointed out the Iowa caucus during his interviews with Canadian TV.

So, no he didn't lie.

[Name removed]

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[blm]

82. Did the sun rise today?

.

[incapsulated]

84. Ok, semantically speaking, it's not a "lie"

But why couldn't he just say: "I never said they were extremists, I said that the caucauses were overly influenced by special interests that did not represent the center..."

and then go on to explain what he meant by that. He is going to have to do that eventually.

This isn't the first time he has used the "I never believed (or said) that..." when he clearly did. He could get out of seeming to contradict himself, if he would only think about how he was going to address the question, instead of a blanket denial.

 

[jadesfire]

90. exactly

this is exactly why i cannot support him. he shoots off the hip and walks around with the same da&# arrogance that W does. now that he's the 'front-runner' his staff won't let the press near him in order to try to limit this but his appearance on 'inside politics' yesterday just showed once again that he can't handle the one on one without coming off angry, arrogant, and unable to handle tough questions. exactly who i want rebuilding our reputation and alliances internationally....right

[TLM]

100. And if he had said that... the FOX crap would read...

Dean said "I never said... the caucauses were overly influenced by special interests that did not represent the center..."


And the same idiots would be spewing the exact same shit.

Because the attacks on Dean have nothing to do with truth and EVERYTHING to do with the fact he is winning.

[TLM]

93. Answer to your sig line....

http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm

[arewethereyet]

98. he doesn't even realize hes doing this stuff

and some people want to give him responsibility.

It just kills me.