OFFICIAL EDWARDS-CHENEY DEBATE THREAD #13

[Skinner]

[soothsayer]

1. talk to the hand

[crispini]

7. "Hard to know where to start" AGAIN!

[elcondor]

2. "I don't know where to start" is Cheney/Bushspeak

for "I just got OWNED"

[tjdee]

3. WHY does EDWARDS have to bring up health insurance????

God knows this moderator wasn't asking.

That's why we're OVERTIME.

Gwen Ifill is suck.

[elcondor]

18. Healthcare is a HUGE issue in NE Ohio I know

personally. My congressperson has to BUS people Canada to get inexpensive prescription drugs. People KNOW this is BS--they LIVE the opposite of what Cheney is saying

[tjdee]

34. Well so what? Gwen Ifill didn't feel it was important to bring that up.

:crazy:

Oh yeah--what I'm saying is that why does Edwards have to be the one to bring it up, that's the mod's job. I'm glad he did, but the mod should do her job.

[tjdee]

35. Well so what? Gwen Ifill didn't feel it was important to bring that up.

:crazy:

[Peanut Gallery]

4. I like that Edwardsdidn't back down once

I'm sure it wasn't easy but he fought well.

Connecting to people in his closing statement now.

[ReadTomPaine]

12. Way too late for that. This makes Bush look doubly bad, in a way.

[crispini]

13. TRUE dat.

[DemBones DemBones]

Amen! He didn't try to smack down every little barb, either.

He was REASONABLE and LIKABLE.

[gumby]

5. Bad news

from what I've seen.

[ReadTomPaine]

6. Cheney lost his point in his health rebuttal. What's he thinking about?

[No2W2004]

these silly questions are pissing me off

the best Cheney could do was ZELL????

[crispini]

17. Zell Miller: the un-democrat.

[kaitykaity]

8. Can't touch JK/JE on health care.

DICKIE lying about health care.

Here comes JE. Whoo hooo. "They were with the drug companies."

[Fleshdancer]

BAM! JE bringing up not allowing Americans to buy Canadian drugs

[0007]

9. Jays'us, Zell Miller is a repuke hero now?

Ask Zell if is he's heard from any GOP members lately.

[funkybutt]

10. Cheney having trouble getting started

he always pauses for a significant amount of time at the beginning of his statements. He smirks and acts like he's got so many good points but just doesn't know where to start. smug

[crickets]

11. Wrapping up strong with health care

and prescription drugs is smart. Good final blow.

The Medicare drug plan is not working and seniors know it. You're blowing smoke, Cheney. John is nailing him on the Canada issue. It's clear the current admin favors business over citizens.

[Lerkfish]

cheny: SCARY! SCARY! TERRA THREAT GONNA BLOW UP OUR C ITIES!

what a dweeb

[henslee]

14. JE is so f-in suave.

http://www.wayney.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fb%20+.jpg

[No2W2004]

25. HEY DICK.....I"M GONNA SEND YOU A LOVE LETTER

YOU KNOW WHAT A LOVE LETTER IS???

Frank Booth is right up there with unka dick.

[Fleshdancer]

15. closing statements. Edwards is very easy to relate to

[annabanana]

16. edwards finished last question STRONG

side of the people?.....side of the insurance companies?
excellent.

[noamnety]

28. excellent use of gestures

on the split screen, he was clearly using his hands to identify Cheney with the insurance companies.

[ReadTomPaine]

19. Flickering light!

[crickets]

29. Nice counter to Bush1's 1000 points of light BS. (nt)

[savistocate]

85. JE--a big favorite

statement from.. you value wealth, we value work.
AND "a long resume does not mean good judgement"!!!!yeah

[mconvente]

20. anecdote!

america is a country of opportunity! and we need it with john edwards!

talking to the american people reaching to their hearts - this is so touching!

[henslee]

30. Yup, the key is a story, a narrative... and "They don't see it" is polite

code for THEY LIVE IN A FANTASY WORLD.

[henslee]

48. And "they dont see it" is polite code for "they are in fantasy world"

[Fatima]

21. Closing statements...thank god...

[lasttrip]

22. great job as usual skinner-HOME RUN for you dude

:)

[DesEtoiles]

23. Edwards effectively uses "parallel construction" to make his pts

This makes a long argument, or a long series of points, easier to follow


On topic A - They had a choice to do x, and they did y
On topic B - They had a choice to do s, and they did t

[tjdee]

24. Edwards is ending FABLY.

He has to do the moderator's job in his closing remarks. Talking about ALL subjects.

Good ending.

[dogtag]

Cheney just put business ahead of jobs!

[funkybutt]

26. strong middle class...outsourcing! thank you John

wish they had focused on this more

[crispini]

27. Good closing by Edwards.

[berner59]

41. Cheney didn't thank John...

what a pig!! John's closing was GREAT!!!

[will work 4 food]

43. Cheney didn't thank Edwards What a PRIC !!! eom

[onager]

Skinner, I'd like to buy you a drink or 3...

Great job on the threads and Instant Photos. Thanks a bunch.

(I lurk here a lot, but seldom post.)

[SemiCharmedQuark]

31. Ahhh, I love John Edwards!!!

Cheney can suck it.

[booksenkatz]

32. This part is where JE shines

He knows how to talk to Joe Sixpack, how to connect; he knows how to dumb it down without being arrogant.

[countmyvote4real]

33. Cheney didn't thank Edwards.

[Supply Side Jesus]

51. "Gwen, Thank you very much, John, Go Fuck Yourself"

[Spiffarino]

36. Here comes Darth Vader's response

Now watch...he's going to go negative...here it comes...

[ReadTomPaine]

37. Cheney just sounded like he was making a concession speech at the start

[Duncan Grant]

38. Hey Cheney! What about those deficits, eh? You're full of shit.

[Misunderestimator]

39. Cheney's closing... We won't be happy until every American WANTS

to work and find a job :wtf:

[AntiCoup2K4]

40. Damn, I thought Edwards was about to steal a Springsteen monologue ...

And I was comin down stairs in the middle of the night and I saw the glow of that old TV and there was my father sittin there......

Nah, just a new spin on the old millworker story.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

42. Added...how many jobs...overall?

[ellie]

44. Nice closing statement by Edwards

Crashcart didn't thank Edwards for being there like Edwards did. What an uncouth mofo.

[nyhuskyfan]

45. Economy on an upward path?

I've seen some graphs that will show otherwise.

[Fleshdancer]

46. Cheney's closing speech...he looks tired. Full of more empty promises

[ReadTomPaine]

62. Yes he looks worn out. Now he's just reciting at the ending statement

[kohodog]

69. Cheney Plays the FEAR card again BE AFRAID, VERY AFRAID

That's all they have.

[dogtag]

76. Crashcart could barely made it out of his chair!

[crispini]

47. back with the damn nuclear or biological weapons!

fearmonger!

[noamnety]

49. Cheney's summary

be afraid be afraid be afraid

[booksenkatz]

Terra! Terra! Vote for B/C or you'll die, aaaaaaacccchhhkkkk!

[Sparkle]

50. My honest score on Edwards and Dick:

John Edwards - 85

He flustered a few times but not as bad as Chimpy. He got some good points in and could have nailed Dick pretty good but chose not to.

Dick Cheney - 75

Dick Cheney would have done better had he not been so condescending and if he hadn't lied so damn much!

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I could also say it was a draw but all in all Edwards won.

[Auntie Bush]

52. Cheney didn't thank Edwards.

[UCLA02]

65. JE didn't do the "Thank you, God bless" close, either

[jayfish]

The First Decision He Needs To Make Is To Get Out Of His F'ing Chair -NT-

Jay

[AntiFascist]

53. FEAR AGAIN: biological agents in the middle of a city

they can't wait to start the next act of terrorism

[ellie]

54. Crashcart is all fear, all the time.

He should just say that a vote for Kerry/Edwards will get you death and more death.

[Spiffarino]

55. Ahh...closing statement

...ahhh...if you don't vote for us, Cleveland gets nuked. :nuke:

[tjdee]

56. BOMBS BOMBS BOMBS!!!!!

That's Cheney's closing.

[da_chimperor]

57. Viable my ass, going after the terrorists, getting caught in guerilla war

[tjdee]

58. BOMBS BOMBS BOMBS!!!!!

That's Cheney's closing.

[funkybutt]

59. all cheney has is: vote for us or you're in eminent danger

be afraid! vote for us...your life depends on it

[AntiFascist]

77. the truth is....

be afraid, all we (Bush/Cheney) have to offer IS danger.

[dweller]

60. DON'T LET THESE THREADS END ON

#13 DU'ers.

come on, pop in another thought.
Great Job Mods and Skinner!
:thumbsup:

dp

[Cha]

80. 13 is a Great Number,

dweller! :)

[dweller]

86. Thanks

for your help!

sure it is, and so are the rest of them :D

dp

[crickets]

61. Edwards offers support and hope

Dick's just spinning the threats. Tool. You can't keep threatening people to stay by you. If Sep 11 lies are all he's got... and it sounds like it, he's TOAST.

[Princess Turandot]

63. did Ifill every moderate a debate before?..

she was God-awful..the questions, the management..

[ReadTomPaine]

79. ... and will she ever again?

[ncgrits]

64. hear that Freudian slip from dick?!?

"the next president" (sounds like regime change to me)

[Robert Oak]

66. Edwards = Hope Cheney = Fear

[Gregorian]

My goodness- look at our subject lines.

If that doesn't say it all.
:)

[ellie]

67. Crashcart is for a future of war.

[Gregorian]

68. Edwards- HOPE..............Cheney- FEAR

Last word.

[maveric]

70. Cheney's closing comment: Fear, Fear, biological agents

Al Queda, Fear, Fear, Strong leadership of the president...

[Duncan Grant]

71. Slavery to Corporate America, Fear and F*scism for all. Gee thanks, Dick.

[Misunderestimator]

72. Cheney's closing... We'll keep doing the same old shit

[Duncan Grant]

73. self delete

[maveric]

74. Cheney's closing comment: Fear, Fear, biological agents

Al Queda, Fear, Fear, Strong leadership of the president...

[AntiCoup2K4]

75. And Uncle Dick wraps it up with "Vote for us or YOU WILL DIE!!"

What a shock :eyes:

[drscm]

Edwards: Hope! Cheney: Fear, Fear, Fear, Fear, Fear, Fear, Fear!

[Fleshdancer]

78. Nothing beats the image of Edwards with his children.

[AntiCoup2K4]

81. And Uncle Dick wraps it up with "Vote for us or YOU WILL DIE!!"

What a shock :eyes:

[MADem]

82. EDWARDS HIT A HOME RUN

Cheney droned, and at the end looked like DEBBIE DOWNER!!!!

I'm voting for HOPE, not FEAR!!!! Slam dunk! The mean old scary man or the energetic guy who sees a bright future for ALL of us!

I'm watching Saxby Chambliss in the spin room. HE LOOKS ILL. Bwahahahahaha!

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

83. More fear mongering from Cheney--fodder for the audiofiles~!

http://home.earthlink.net/~houval/gopconstrm.mov

[drscm]

84. MSNBC: Cheney Wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nobody]

87. Catch this? Cheney: Iraqis taking back their country from terrorists

It was the huge WTF moment for me. Cheney was talking about how Iraqis are taking back their country from terrorists. My friend's son, and several other people I know who are serving in Iraq are NOT terrorists. They're doing the best they can in a bad situation and having their combat pay and health benefits cut.

[crickets]

88. Great catch -

that was a huge Freudian "oops I slipped on my talking point" comment on Dick's part.