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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:40 PM
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What can we do to bring down Ralph Reed?
I saw a big RR sign in front of a business this morning. It made me sick.

What can we do to make voters aware of his ties to Abramoff? And, will it matter?

http://www.multinationalmonitor.org/mm2006/012006/wheat.html
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 03:04 PM
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1. Leave anti-Reed leaflets on the windsields of all cars w/ fish symbols.
Edited on Mon May-01-06 03:05 PM by CottonBear
That's what I do. Here's mine:

Ralph Reed/Scam Artist –
He Was AGAINST gambling
before he took money FOR it



Jesus wouldn't approve of Ralph Reed’s scams and lobbying efforts.
Remember that Jesus threw the moneychangers out of the temple.

"I suspect that, behind closed doors, most Washington Republicans take religious conservatives for suckers. This has been evident from the Washington Post's recent revelations about GOP activist and lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Three years ago, a casino-owning Louisiana Indian tribe called the Coushatta hired Abramoff to help stop another tribe from opening a casino, which the Coushatta feared would dilute their business. Abramoff hired former Christian Coalition director Ralph Reed, who enlisted Focus on the Family's James Dobson, who spurred his followers to send thousands of letters opposing the new casino. The poor souls riled up to stop legalized gambling had no idea that they were pawns of another casino. It's a perfect metaphor for the relationship between the Republican elite and the voters who put them into office."
Jonathan Chait , LA Times opinion column, April 1, 2005
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 08:13 AM
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2. "Hey, someone left Libruhl Media quotes on my windshield..."
I like your idea, but it'd be better if you could find something even mildly damning about Reed from FuxNews or the Washington Times.

Aren't there some pretty harsh comments about Reed from fellow GA Republicans floating out there as well?
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 08:27 AM
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3. Mostly stuff dug up by the Cagle campaign
It's getting nasty between those two camps, but you'll never hear about it in the "mainstream media" where everything is wine and roses. Only in the blogosphere, and in particular conservative blogs, will you see the real mud slinging going on between the two warring camps. I particularly love The Peach Pundit. They can be brutal. :evilgrin:
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:44 AM
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4. I'm open to other ideas.
My goal with the flyer was to expose the Fundy Freeper sorts to actual facts. I'm sure they've heard what the other Repubs are saying. However, If you have any good ideas or quotes, I'll make a flyer with those!
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 12:37 PM
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5. A quick googling, seeking conservative views
from

http://www.worldmag.com/webextra/11574

Here we need to focus neither on our magazine nor on Focus (on the Family) but on one person who has shamed the evangelical community: Ralph Reed.

...

We hope that Focus on the Family will join us in insisting that Mr. Reed stop dodging and start explaining why his emails to Jack Abramoff stated that he was negotiating with Focus. Our sense is that Dr. Dobson is telling the truth, and our logical conclusion is that someone else was not.


same publication, different link:

http://www.worldmagblog.com/blog/archives/022805.html

Here's a long post, but I'd like to lay out some thinking and receive a critique. The question: Why is World delving into the Ralph Reed scandal, in which Reed used millions of dollars of Louisiana gambling money to fight the establishment of casinos elsewhere that could cut into the profits of Jack Abramoff's client? Please skip right to the next post if you're uninterested, but here I'll offer three concerns: morality, transparency, effects.

Moral argument: Evangelicals typically argue that the end does not justify the means, and that if we stop acting on principle we're just one more interest group bowling for dollars. Reed's justification, other than self-interest, could be that he was serving a public good by using gambling money to keep gambling from spreading, and that the total amount of harm that would result from gambling addiction would be less than would otherwise be the case. But that's the game most evangelicals refuse to play on other questions. For example, we won't justify abortion because it might decrease the amount of poverty among single-mothers, and we won't abandon the state of Israel in the hope that Muslim terrorists won't attack the United States. Similarly, I suspect that most evangelicals would oppose helping the Coushatta casino to do more business in the hope that vulnerable folks in, say, Texas won't have a casino just down the street.

Transparency argument: Some evangelicals might disagree with that reasoning and argue that, pragmatically, we should support the lesser of two evils: better that gambling spread in Louisiana than it should spread everywhere. Evangelicals could have a good discussion about that -- but Reed owes it to others, particularly his friends and supporters, to allow that discussion. If he thinks it's fine to use gambling money (hey, it's all green), he should not take it upon himself to decide for others how they should act. He should have informed the pastors he organized and the ministries he lobbied that he was using casino funds, so that they could make an informed choice. Instead, he kept his funding secret and worked to manipulate them.

Effects argument: If Reed had been transparent, he would have faced disagreement but would not now be facing disgrace. He has shamed the evangelical community by providing evidence for the generally-untrue stereotype that evangelicals are easily-manipulated and that evangelical leaders are using moral issues to line their own pockets.


Here's some serious distancing by Dobson, via

http://www.family.org/cforum/news/a0039775.cfm


As I said, there is no proof, and I doubt there will ever be any proof that Dobson consciously colluded with Abramoff. I would wager to bet that Dobson was unaware that Ralph Reed was essentially a middleman for Abramoff. At the same time, there is an enormous amount of proof that Ralph Reed manipulated Dobson on behalf of Abramoff.


Does this help?
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 12:45 PM
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6. Thank you very much! n/t
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Casper Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 06:03 PM
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7. Work for the Democrats
I admire your enthusiasm and agree with your goal, but I question your approach. As Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, (whatever this weeks term is) we should be working diligently to boost the ability of a Democrat to win. How do we bring down Ralph Reed? By bringing up Jim Martin, Greg Hecht, Steen Miles!

We have to be in favor of more than we are against. That is the way we can win in November. "He's not Ralph Reed" is not good enough.
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BEZERKO Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-06-06 09:29 AM
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8. Yes, work for the Democrats, but
I'm fighting the temptation, tell me I'm crazy, but I so want to contribute to Ralph Reed's campaign because I so want him to slip through the primary and get onto the November ballot because I so want the media to focus their attention on Ralph Reed. The choirboy should be an anchor the DPG ties around the necks of the Georgia Rep. Party.
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Tolerford Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 07:41 PM
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9. HOW TO STOP REED
I went to high school in Atlanta with Jim Martin. Searched his site for details and see he's remained true to the characteristics he had then: an indefatigable integrity; a willingness to do the work to bring about just ends, and a sparkly, chipper buoyancy. I put his sticker in my back car window. There is no doubt. Standing him next to Reed is like setting a sniffing contest with three-day-old fish and Yardley's Rose soap.

I care deeply about this state; was raised here. Jim asked me in high school when he ran for governor, would I vote for him. This was while he held his class presidency. Absolutely then, absolutely now.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:35 PM
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10. Welcome to DU, sort of
Been registered since '03 and this is your first post? That may be some kind of record.

Anyway, good to hear from you, and I think you're absolutely right about how to bring down Reed.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:17 AM
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11. Here you go
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 11:23 AM by burythehatchet


Download - copy - and distribute freely

Cross posted in Georgia forum
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:50 PM
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12. I love it! Perfecto!
:hi: How are you? I hope you're having a good summer! CB
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 04:39 PM
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13. Hi there
I'm well, and it got hot a little too fast (like always, I suppose). Enjoy your 4th of July celebrations and say hello to Mr.CB for me.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 04:50 PM
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14. It did get too hot, too fast this year.
I'm helping to feed 21 horses twice a day while the owners are out of town. Its like groundhog day each day (weekends too...) They'll be back in two weeks. :( This, in addition to my full-time job and home life. I love my horse, but I swear I'll never own 21 of them!

Have a great 4th! :patriot: :hi:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:02 AM
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15. CONGRATULATIONS
you did it. :party: :toast:

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:51 AM
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16. Unfortunately, the R-candidate, Casey Cagle is a wingnut like Reed
Edited on Wed Jul-19-06 11:51 AM by CottonBear
but without the Abramoff-Indian Gambling Scam problems. :(
We still have a long campaign ahead of us to defeat Cagle at the polls in November.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:22 PM
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17. It's important for the world to know how "radio active" Reed is. He's
connected with many other GOPeeps higher up on the national scale.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 03:16 PM
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18. Reed's defeat was most definitely a message to the US & the world
that the majority of Georgians, including most of the Republicans here, won't support or elect a crooked, corrupt, faux-fundamentalist, wingnut creep like Reed. His defeat serves as a warning to all of the other corrupt Republicans who are linked ot Abramoff and his ilk.
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