2 dead in shooting at Gould Hall, UW Campus

[maxsolomon]

Gould Hall is where i went to Graduate School. all of my professors have offices there. my daughter is in a dorm 2 blocks from there. now it, too, has been marked by the ongoing American firearm holocaust.

i don't see any "Well-regulated Militia".

<snip>Two people were killed in an apparent murder-suicide at the University of Washington this morning, police said.

At about 9:30 a.m., police received reports of six shots fired at a female administrative assistant, said Ray Wittmier, assistant chief of the University of Washington Police.

When police arrived at the fourth-floor office in Gould Hall, they found the woman and a man dead. A handgun was found in the office.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003647571_webuwshooting02m.html

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

1. I noticed on KIRO news

that people in the neighborhood surrounding the U of W campus want a code of conduct about the ways students conduct theirselves outside as well as inside the campus compound.

It could amount to a trend leading to a responsibilty cause and student participation in community affairs.

American firearms holocaust-just a tad bit far fetched I think Max.

Refer to studies in the area of developing psyc disorders -in some cases perhaps elevated due to the pressure of maintaining grades in line with a degree.

Since you are there-also look up psychological warfare and it,s effects on society-if you can find anything to that particular.

[maxsolomon]

2. not a student - an abusive ex of an admin

holocaust is not farfetched or hyperbolic. the numbers are in the 100s of thousands.

would it be better if i called it a domestic violence holocaust?

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

4. Not sure about labels Max

I do agree the problem is out of control.And that protection orders do not offer much protection. I lived in L.A. California for several years -where it is one will wait about a hour or more for a police patrol car to respond to a call. Sometimes and much of the time that is more.Three hours is not uncommon of a timely response in L.A.

Protection orders are not a joke-however do not really protect a victim or alleged victim said.

However a protection order violation works tword a jail sentence where it is the PERF. really needs jail time.
When the perf violates the protection order-that works in the intrest of the victim in court-the addititonal factor to on going charges.

People in the know-and in L.A. you must be in the know-just to get around- know that the police cannot protect you from that.

That being the criminal psychopathic mind.
Narcissism- the fascination and love of death.

[flamingyouth]

3. Scary.

Brings back memories of the double murder in '89 when I was at the UW. Similar situation - guy stalking his ex-girlfriend and guns her and her friend down in a parking lot on the north side of campus. It was summer quarter before my senior year, I was walking to class about 200 yards away from the scene. Awful.

[sneakythomas]

5. I had a wacko stalking my daughter a few years ago

I'm probably bad, if he'd come to my door I'd rather have a gun than a protection order. When I filed the police complaint I was told by the SPD to make sure the body landed inside the house.

Fortunately for all involved he never showed up and we haven't heard from him in a couple of years.

I feel for the families involved in this, the real issue for me is that we need to put some teeth into the laws that are supposed to protect people. The SPD is apparently too busy making sure people stay on the sidewalks or something.

[ManiacJoe]

6. Protection orders are important, but

they are just paper. The paper trail comes in handy AFTER all the bad stuff happens. Your individual safety is the your responsibility, not the police. It is not the job of the police to protect individuals, nor could they if they wanted to.

Of course, it would be nice if the enforcement and penalties for violating protection orders were stepped up.

[maxsolomon]

7. guns are banned on campus

i suppose pepper spray in her purse might have helped, but

1. serving the protection order, &
2. getting this narcissist's guns from him (see this week's stranger for his police beat reports) would have been more effective.

[ManiacJoe]

8. Banned for all practical purposes any way.

With written permission from the correct dean (I don't remember which one) guns are OK on campus. I know of only one person to ever make the claim of getting that permission.

My understanding is that the protection order had already been properly served. Properly enforced is another story...

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

9. I don,t know what you mean by properly

They cannot arrest someone for a crime that has not yet been committed. A restraining order or protection order serves notice to the perf. that the authorities have grounds to prosecute apon violation of the order.No contact order doesn,t stop the perf from standing on the sidewalk-public sidewalk in front of the victims home.,Unless intent can be proven in court.

The time frame between court-arrest-summons-ect. and the stocking -aspect in it -is the problem.

Same as revising the law is not simple.Or changing it.

As it is even scum bags have civil rights.

I think when you say proper-one must also have a proper understanding of just how it is the law works.

Most any lawer will tell you that nobody cares about lawers until you need one.

And most people do not come into a real understanding of how it is the law works-until they do indeed need a lawer.

And until that day comes-(they)more often than not have all knids of opinions about how it is the law should work.Or how it is the law would work properly in a point of view.

What it all comes down to is, It is always better to know- than it is to think that you know.

The reason the law states that you have the right to defend yourself-is because of such circumstances .
The reason the law states that you have the right to own or bare arms is also in the same catagory as self defence.

At the same time to advocate your rights -you must or you should also have to some degree a real -true understanding of the law to this reguard.

That,s where the law states you are responsible for your actions.And ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Here begins the complications of law.And the law is complicated.
Law inforcement officer--sworn to uphold law.
That does not mean law as you see it- ,It means law.

So than you must look at the different aspects of how it is responsible means.

Knowing and understanding the law is in part the meaning in responsible.Or in part in context.In context -in all meaning.
All meaning--all things taken into consideration.
Every aspect of law.

Here,s a question- did the victim know how much of a psychopath her x.boy friend was? How much meaning how far he had progressed threw the stages.The sexual psychopath-the child moulester-rapist-progressing threw the phase,s-where it is rape turns to murder to cover up the rape- the psychopath find,s murder is the big sexual relase.The victims never seem to see it comming-how it is the predators operate in secret.
Because the thing about predators is -they operate in secrecie.

The scum bag reached his end.

The end to the predator is like the candle burns completly out-nothing in life matters- the only thing that ever mattered to the predator is the predators pursuit.
Psychopaths-there is no logic to understanding how it is they operate.

[ManiacJoe]

10. I am not sure where all that came from.

By "Properly enforced" I meant this: on multiple occations prior to the murder, the ex-boyfriend had violated the protection order and nothing was done about it, i.e., no enforcement. Please correct me if my understanding of the events are in error.

I agree that most people have a poor to none understanding of the laws they live under.

[maxsolomon]

11. i was under the impression that it was never served

so technically, he didn't know she had a protection order.

[uppityperson]

12. Seriously? Not to question you but in amazement.

A protection order is good for a couple things. It restrains a few people, those that probably don't need a protection order against them mostly, but a few who do. It makes it more likely that the person it is against can be arrested/fined/whatevered, next time they break the protection order. Sort of like telling someone to not trespass doesn't mean they won't, but next time they do they know they have been warned and can have more consequences.

That said, it wasn't served? Things need to change for DV/stalking stuff.

[flamingyouth]

13. He gave an address that didn't exist.

The police tried to find him but couldn't, unfortunately.

[countryjake]

14. Authorities failed to help protect this young woman, totally...

Rebecca Griego, 26


Two UW departments failed to report stalker threats
By Sanjay Bhatt - Seattle Times staff reporter
Thursday, April 5, 2007
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003652289_uw05m.html

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University Police and the College of Architecture failed to follow well-established procedures by not reporting Rebecca Griego's pleas for help to a high-level safety team that could have taken steps to protect her, a top University of Washington official acknowledged Wednesday.

Mindy Kornberg, vice president of human resources at the university, said her department should have been notified that Griego had received death threats from her ex-boyfriend at her office in Gould Hall. She said the HR department also didn't know Griego had filed a report — including a copy of a domestic-violence protection order — with University Police.

On Monday morning, Jonathan Rowan shot Griego to death in a university building before killing himself.

Had HR been notified of Rowan's threats, the workplace violence-prevention assessment team would have met, talked to Griego and developed a plan to reduce the short- and long-term risk to her safety, Kornberg said. She ticked off possibilities such as changing Griego's phone number, moving her to a different building or stepping up police patrols near her workplace.



Protection order can't stop person hellbent on doing harm
By Christine Clarridge - Seattle Times staff reporter
Tuesday, April 3, 2007
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003648622_protection03.html

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About five years ago, state legislators increased the penalty for violating an order of protection.

What used to be a gross-misdemeanor offense is now a felony offense with higher penalties.

"It now has the same penalty as kidnapping in the second degree or rape in the third," said David Martin, lead prosecutor of King County's domestic-violence unit. "It's a pretty serious crime."

He said that last year, approximately 5,000 temporary protection orders were issued in King County Superior Court.

Studies done by the U.S. Department of Justice, the University of Washington and others have shown, however, that legal remedies, such as the filing of no-contact orders, restraining orders or orders of protection, can sometimes spur offenders into lethal action.

Bradshaw tells the story of several men he's prosecuted who killed their family members after orders of protection were granted.

"Given the access to weapons, and the determination of some men, there is realistically nothing that can be done to stop them from doing what they did," he said.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

15. And so the university could have done more.

But the predator also could have chosen a different location on his hell bent mission to take a life and end his own.Thats the sick and twisted psychopathic version of misery loves company.

The psychopath would or could have done that in the parking lot-or on a public street for that matter.
Hell bent- stocker, he could have rented a car or stolen one-put on a old coat hat with fake full beard -sun glasses ,than fallowed her to her place of residence in order to map out her goings and commings=hell bent.Parking lot would or could have been a supermarket parking lot-any parking lot- or any public sidewalk for the matter.

At his age the marriage fixation was no doubt his last attempt to fool himself into beliving he could actually live a life -same as anybody else.The ah, psychopathic version of love conquers all.
Never underestimate the psychopath or the psychopathic homosexual.
Sexual predators love to take incredible chances-but that one in particular was dead bent on his last mission.

That mission was to take something away from someone who would have hand in life-what the criminal psychopath can never ever have.Than end his own misery.
That bastards misery began the day he was born.
But-thats just my opinion.