Jack Stays Sectarian Till the End

[Bragi]

Great to see Layton all over the news yesterday giving up on attacking Harper, and instead trying to get people in winnable Liberal ridings to waste their votes on Jack's cult and let the Cons come up the middle and re-elect Harper.

Way to go Jack. I knew we could count on you to be a divisive and sectarian "my no-hope party first" kind of guy right till the end, whatever be the consequences for the nation.

- B

[Clintonista2]

1. The Ralph Nader of Canada

[Dutch]

11. It could be worse. He could be the Bob Rae of Canada.

[Lucy Goosey]

13. Ha! That's funny on several levels.

[Clintonista2]

26. What would that make the actual Bob Rae?

Other than the guy smart enough to get as far away as possible from the NDP before the greens decimate it?

[Metric System]

2. What drives me nuts about some NDP supporters is that they cheer when the Liberals slip in the polls

even if it means good news for the Conservatives. I've been reading the forum on Rabble.ca over the last couple of weeks and I swear you couldn't tell whether some posters were NDP or Conservative supporters. The Liberals seem to be the focus of their attacks and insults, even though you'd think the Conservatives would anger them more. I've seen a number of posters there also say that there's no difference between the Liberals and the Conservatives, which I find utter insanity. Sure the Liberals are more moderate than leftist but as a pragmatist I'll take moderate over right-wing any day.

[glarius]

7. I know what you mean.......

The important thing is to get Harper, (the most right-wing person to ever head our government), defeated!
That's the trouble with people who become so completely partisan in their devotion to a party. They often become extremely obnoxious and tiresome....as we see at times on this forum.

[iverglas]

3. yeah, eh?

Not at all like the Liberals dragging out their bogeyman scare tactics all over again.

Vote Liberal, or Stephen Harper will get ya. Vote Liberal IN WINABLE NDP RIDINGS, obviously.

Anybody wanna pretend otherwise?


Damn. I was gonna fetch a Liberal ad or two, but the site seems to be overwhelmed. How efficient and effective, eh?

Oh, here we are. Google's cache.

http://www.liberal.ca/flash/FlvVidPlayer.swf?id=D147475F-EFC8-47EB-8D5E-50B6EA508800

Denial.
Don't trust Harper now.
Vote Liberal: the only way to stop him.

Yup. More of that sincere, honest Liberal stuff. The good of the country, that's their only concern.

L'état, c'est them.

[glarius]

4. What bugs me is how he keeps blaming the Liberals for propping

up Harper's gov't. Has everyone forgotten that Layton was the one responsible for allowing Harper to be elected IN THE FIRST PLACE? Layton is such a manipulative, devious person. His driving ambition is to get power....and to hell with Canada, IMO

[iverglas]

6. "forgotten"

Some people just do find it dreadfully hard to "forget" fictitious nonsense, don't they though?

You need to let go of some of that Layton-hating bile that's poisoning your system.

Hey, here's an idea.

You could try directing it at Stephen Harper ...


HAHAHAHAHAH.

[Clintonista2]

8. Layton really is the lowest of the low

Despicable.

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[iverglas]

16. ah; interesting

Imagine someone at DU saying "Obama really is the lowest of the low" ... and that post remaining, while replies are deleted ...

[Clintonista2]

19. No, imagine someone at DU saying "ralph nader really is the lowest of the low"

That would be a more accurate analogy.

[LiberadorHugo]

20. Shhh...

St. Michael told them that the Liberal Party is good, so it must be true. If there are socialist (Blairists and other neocon sympathizer who still fraudulently claim to be comrades of Trotsky, Stalinists, Maoists, and their derivations) and rightist factions (pretty well everyone except a handful of libertarians) that are unable to think for themselves, then there must logically be liberal factions equally proud in their ignorance.

[Bragi]

10. Me too

I am especially bugged that he has the nerve to go on about Afghanistan, despite the fact that it was Jack himself who lead the NDP into joining Harper in opposing an LPC motion calling for the mission to end in 2009.

TORONTO — Canada's Parliament on Tuesday narrowly defeated a motion calling for the country to pull its 2,500 troops out of the NATO alliance fighting in Afghanistan by 2009...

Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative government opposed it because the administration refuses to be tied to a firm exit date. The motion was defeated 150-134.

The Conservatives were joined in defeating the motion by the New Democrats, who want Canadian soldiers to immediately cease combat duty in the increasingly violent Kandahar province.

[iverglas]

5. oh, btw

I was busy telling my mother to vote Liberal last weekend, since the riding is now Conservative and I knew how little of a hope the NDP had in that particular Toronto bedroom riding ... until my sister pointed out who their MP is. Peter Van Loan. They couldn't even summon up the Liberal candidate's name to tell me.

So they'll be voting NDP, because at least that way the party they actually support will get some of that public funding it deserves.

[glarius]

12. The thing that is really disgusting about Layton is

that at the time he brought down the Liberal government, he was fully aware, as were we all, that Harper was this extreme right-winger. If he really cared about his country, he would not have done it and let in Harper to do his dirty work.

[LiberadorHugo]

15. 13 years to fix the electoral system and end child poverty...

And all the Liberals did was ratify NAFTA, crushed the provinces with a burden of debt and program slashes by cutting transfer payments (Mike Harris mitigated this problem by cutting taxes on the well-to-do in the wake of these payment slashes), and open US Drug Enforcement Agency satellite offices. Go, Libs, go! Go, Libs, go! And it's funny how all the right-leaning failures in the NDP somehow end up joining the Liberal Party (Dosanjh, Rae) or goosestepping in the neocon parade (Glen Clark). And remember right-wing warmonger Bush-cheerleader David Pratt? He became Paul Martin's Defense Minister. Go, Libs, go! Go, Libs, go! And guess who sent Canadian Troops to help the Mujahideen (rapers and torturers of women) overthrow the Taliban. Go, Libs, go! Go, Libs, go!

If you hate social democracy that much, perhaps Free Republic would appreciate your "contributions" to intelligent discourse.

If we ever get MMPR while there is a Liberal PM in office, I will give my constituency vote to the Liberal Party for the rest of my life unless the Liberal candidate is a religious reactionary or some other sort of bigot.

[iverglas]

17. wah wah wah

The Liberals lost an election -- how could that happen?? whither divine right???? -- and it is Not Their Fault.

Wah. Wah. Wah.

Crybabying is such an unattractive thing in party shills.

[Metric System]

18. Get back to us when the NDP can actualy WIN a federal election, period.

[LiberadorHugo]

21. Are you series?

Get back to us when you officaly know how to spell. Your actualy a moran, rather than a socialest or a mavrik. (And yes, the incorrect 'your' is intentional. Don't even try it.)

[Clintonista2]

22. You tell 'em! He "officaly" doesn't know how to spell!

:rofl::rofl:

[LiberadorHugo]

23. Wow...And once again, a member of Don Gagliano's Mafia doesn't get it.

It's interesting how the Liberals, like the radical right in Italy and in Japan, regularly do business with organised crime.

[Clintonista2]

24. You're in a tizzy aren't you?

Got caught stealing a ring?

[LiberadorHugo]

25. Nope....

And I didn't misplace billions of dollars either, Jane.

[Clintonista2]

27. I'm sure you didn't

Too busy trying to censor your political opponents? Can't wait to see the green effect tonight!

[LiberadorHugo]

28. In the past I supported the inclusion of Green candidates in the debate...

But this year the relationship with the Liberal Party was far too incestuous for me to want both of them at the debate.

Look at the Liberal non-positions and weak answers the Liberals gave to Greenpeace.

http://election.greenpeace.ca/responses/?party=liberal

These are the people the "Green" Party has an electoral agreement with?

And the BQ?

http://election.greenpeace.ca/responses/?party=bloq-quebecois

Let's refer the issues to the Quebec; ironically, all 3 of Quebec's major parties are very neo-liberal.

And the NDP?

http://election.greenpeace.ca/responses/?party=ndp

Strong, progressive answers that showcase visionary leadership.

[Metric System]

30. What a silly comment. I was typing quickly and accidentally left out a letter and you're acting as

if it's a true reflection of my spelling abilities. And now I sound defencive (YES, I know).

[Metric System]

29. Too late to edit. However, I DO know how to spell "actually". Seriesly. Good grief.

[iverglas]

31. snort

As compared to ... oh ... the Liberal Party?

[GirlinContempt]

32. You people are really sad.

if you were really as devoted to this country and to democracy as you like to think you are, you wouldn't be attacking other parties, you would be trying to work to fix this fucked up system that allows governments to be formed without the majority of the people in their country backing them up.

The fucking BQ get 50 seats, the NDP get 37, and you're all on about this hating the NDP shit again?

Get over it. I'm happy to live in a country where more than two parties exist to represent me. And I reject the idea that the 'left' can be summed up by one centrist party. And I support EVERYONES right to be represented in the way that they see fit. And if you don't, maybe you need to think about how committed to democracy you really are. Our system basically invalidates the votes of nearly half our citizens, and you want to silence them even further by eliminating different options.

The problem isn't the NDP, stop being a whiny sore loser. The Liberals only got 26.24% of the vote, and that's the percentage of seats they deserve.

Working together with other parties would form a government that ACTUALLY REPRESENTS the political mind of the voters. THAT is what is important. That people have their voices heard, and can have an impact on the running of their own country. Not your petty little backroom squabbles about what you think you and yours somehow deserve.

The liberals and the NDP are different, and they could work together, and SHOULD, if they have to will of the people behind them. Because that is what the elections should be about. Politics for the sake of politics, winning for the sake of winning and not to actually represent your country, that is just sickening.

Grow up. Get over yourselves. And don't compare this to US elections. You know that's dishonest. And a two party system is just another way to railroad voters and stifle democracy.

I am so tired of this nonsense. You complain about the NDP splitting the vote? Your lousy attitudes and centrist policy do that just fine. People SHOULD and DO have the RIGHT TO CHOSE, and to blame them for your parties failure is PATHETIC. Why not put all this bitter vitriol toward doing something to get yourselves elected. The blame game isn't going to win your elections for you.

[Evoman]

33. Aw man, I think I'm in love with you.

Awesome.

[GirlinContempt]

35. Wow, I must be a pretty

awesome poster :D

[iverglas]

34. I'm still chuckling

about "this is fucking nonsense". Somehow struck me as just such a Canadian thing to say. ;)

Of course I agree with everything said in this one.

[GirlinContempt]

36. I am so tired

of some peoples campaign against anyone on the left that isn't the non-left-centrist Liberal Party. You know, the party that campaigns on the left and governs on the right? They have their place, but it isn't in the hearts and minds of the left-left wing voters.

The fact alone that they admit we have to try to get people to vote 'strategically' (you know, against their inclinations and beliefs) so we don't end up with an unpopular party that doesn't represent the country in power should be enough to have them calling for reform. It would be like, if the liberals dropped even further in the polls, and another party sprang up that was less cons than the Harpers, but more so than the liberals. How would they feel being told that because this party was more popular and larger than theirs, and was better than the worst evil that they should just stop voting for what they believe in and just vote against what they don't.

They'd be fucking livid, horror struck, and I bet at least some of them would start looking at the system that causes this nonsense and allows these shenanigans.