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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:14 AM
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Bean spill three: What has she done?
In the first two posts...We talked about some of Bev's bad behavior. While it is true she can be mean and spiteful at times, there is no denying that she has taken the BBV movement to where it is, Now I have to say that whatever her faults are...she has been dedicated to the movement. I have not always agreed with the way she has handled things but it was her organization. I was the low man on the totem pole and policy was not mine to make.

Once again I am sorry for the way things turned out but now I will move on. I hold no grudge against her but I do warn anyone who gets involved with her. Bev can be charming but she can also turn on you just as quickly. The bean spills have been a way for me to let go. I will never again speak of Bev...and once I have the things she owes me and has of mine BBV will never hear from or of me again.

I think I have outlived my usefulness in the movement. I helped nurture it along I gave it my all...unfortunately my all was not enough. I have a health issue that I need to tend to, so I am going to back away. But I back away with the knowledge that there are a host of people working on the issue and it no longer needs me. My last hurrah is Jan 6th. I will be in DC to help my fellow Americans protest the travesty that has been committed against us.

After that I will fall back into the mass of unknown people and do my part from afar as I did in the past. The experience I have had over the last two years has not been all bad. I have met many wonderful and amazing people. Honest, hard working people who saw a problem and decided to fight it. Those are the ones that will carry the movement forward now. For my own peace of mind I have got to step back take a breath and chart a new course for myself and termite. I hope all of you have a Happy Holiday, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Andy

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JMac Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:20 AM
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1. You've been a class act
Happy Holidays and Good Luck.
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:20 AM
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2. You deserve it Andy...
.. and our heartfelt thanks for helping, in no small way , to rescue/defend Democaracy. Enjoy the break ... recharge those batteries ... and never give up the good fight. Cheers !
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:21 AM
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3. Thanks Andy for this bean spill
I hope that you run for SOS in Washington in 2008. We need dedicated people like you in public office.

In a way your description of Bev's behavior reminds me of insiders bean spills on Nader. He has been known to turn on his associates. The articles about him in Salon.com comes to mind.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:21 AM
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:26 AM
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7. what is the FI's Baker Act?
:shrug:
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:38 AM
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10. Florida's Baker Act
The Baker Act


The Florida law covering both voluntary and involuntary treatment is Chapter 394 of Florida Statutes - known as the Florida Mental Health Act or the Baker Act.

Florida law encourages people with mental illnesses to seek treatment voluntarily and to choose the type of treatment needed. But Florida law recognizes that some people with mental illnesses may need to be involuntarily admitted for evaluation and treatment.

The Baker Act outlines a bill of rights for the person who is mentally ill, provides a system of due process for persons receiving services in designated mental health facilities, and creates a system of community-based acute care services.

A receiving facility is the central reception point for individuals who appear to need emergency mental health care. The receiving facility must insure that persons receive needed services in the least restrictive setting and in the least intrusive manner. Consequently, receiving facilities must ensure that persons are not inappropriately admitted to community or State hospitals. Under the Baker Act, no one can be admitted to a State hospital without first being screened by a community mental health center or clinic which must certify that State hospital admission is the most appropriate placement for the individual.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:24 AM
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5. Andy, my condolences on the loss of your sister and my
prayers go out to you and yours that this Christmas will be warm and you all will take the time to remember, not just mourn. I pray also for you that whatever health concerns you have may be tended to and dealt with as quickly and as successfully as possible. Take care of yourself, you have given enough of yourself to the cause, now is the time for you.

I have read all of your bean posts and I think the purging was necessary for you to move on. I wish you well and pray for that you will find solace, that your health will be improved and that you get what is yours from the organization. You have our love and respect here!
:hug: :loveya: Thanks for all you have done for us and for the cause.
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:25 AM
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6. Andy - PM me if you need a place to stay for 1/6
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:26 AM
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8. Thanks for all that you have contributed at DU and at BBV
Take care of yourself for a while.
And please stay involved here and elsewhere, you are valued and needed.

:yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:35 AM
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9. Oh Andy.
Don't say stuff like this.

Of course you will want to speak of Bev and BBV again -- it's an important part of your life. Your discoveries and ingenuity and research were crucial in developing the entire path, including the Jeffrey Dean story, not to mention who knows how many others. You should be proud of your efforts.

I can understand why you need to step back, and I hope the health issue is minor. Kinda like a break up with a lover -- an intense period of time needs a breather.

I was hoping you would find a niche in the movement that would work for you.

I think Bev & crew provided something our side has needed for a long time -- an attack dog with real teeth. I think that was part of what attracted so many people to her -- she was willing to fight, and fight to win. She wasn't scared, and she didn't seem to back down.

You have that same courage.

Our side tends to be nice and want to have consensus and play by the rules and all that, but we are battling a side that is ruthless, deadly, and whose only rule is "WIN."

Bev's attack nature, however, turned on her own colleagues time after time.

Hope you have a decent Christmas.

The country thanks you for two years of your life (even if most of the country doesn't know it).
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:38 AM
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11. So true... Be'v strentgh has become her weakness
She may be toast because of that. Perhaps a good therapist and time might salvage what can be salvaged. She needs serious help. Her attack nature was needed to go get them, but it turned out it was too unselective and ended up hurting people who could have helped the cause in major ways.
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truckin Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:51 AM
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13. Let's help Andy
I am new to the board but have been viewing extensively since the election and I am determined to see meaningful election reform enacted in this country. I regret not having more time to get involved due to work, family and other obligations but I have contributed money to the recounts.

Maybe we can set up a fund for Andy for the work he has done over the last two years. He has performed an invaluable service and received little but mistreatment in return. If there is someone trusted by the DU community that knows how to set up a fund like this, I would be happy to contribute to it.

Andy, Thanks for all you have done and I hope in time that things will be better for you.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:54 AM
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14. Welcome
Welcome to DU, truckin.
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truckin Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:55 AM
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15. Thanks
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:55 AM
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16. Go Here
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truckin Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:02 PM
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17. Thanks Ohio Liberal
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nedbal Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:05 PM
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19. just a reminder
there are some links on how to help poping up. one is on http://www.blackboxvoting.COM on the lower right side. good luck and thanks Andy
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:41 PM
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47. Hi truckin!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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the ether Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:49 AM
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12. as someone who needed to step away too....



You need to move on. There came a point during summer when I really just needed to step away from the movement and start getting back to my life, what was best for me. I devoted so much time to the cause and all that to net activism, cuz i'm abroad and I really started losing touch with my own life. I don't regret the time I spent on it, but I realized that I need time for myself too and still go when I feel i've had too much and come back when I feel I can do something positive.


Thanks for all your dedication to the cause, the word is out and there has to be a changing of the guard for activists.


I wish you well,

e
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:02 PM
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18. You fought well.
You fought honorably. That is what truly matters.

I do hope that someone in this movement uses the brains that they have been given, and finds a way to keep you on in a paid consultant role, away from the front lines, but not allowing your hard-earned expertise to go unused and lie fallow.

Sadly, from what I have seen, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. Nor should you.

Yer' a good man, Stephenson. A very good man.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:15 PM
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20. Let us not forget those who came before Andy
Who suffered as painfully and dutifully.

A tip of the hat to Mr. David Allen of Plan 9 Publishing. I hope many will remember to assist this hardworking activist to recover from the professional and monetary damages Bev Harris did to him as well.

And another to Rob Behler and James Dunn - 2 men who had the courage to come forward and risk all to tell the truth about Diebold. 2 men who were used, abused and discarded by Bev Harris, Jim March and BBV.

And DU's Eloriel and RoxanneJ who both continue the work they were abused for at the hands of Bev Harris.

And David Dill, Avi Rubin, Cindy Cohn, David Jefferson and especially Kevin Shelley who all put their professional careers on the line only to be slandered and libeled by Bev Harris for thier efforts.

Let us take a moment to honor all the true heros who have done their part to protect democracy and the right to vote.

I salute you all!!!!

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:22 PM
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21. I second that
Hats off to you all.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:45 PM
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22. Thanks for bringing all the others to our attention
I, for one, don't know their stories but am grateful for their work. And to you, for bringing the names forward at this time so that they can be remembered.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:08 PM
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26. Thank you!
Rob Behler deserves much credit. Many folks tried to get him to file a qui tam, but he refused. A quiet Christian and Republican, he just did what he had to, regardless of the consequence.

For him and many others, it was never about money, it was about hoensty and fairness.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:36 PM
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28. ??? David, your bbv.COM site is completely messed up!????
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:14 PM
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31. Just checked it, it looks fine
David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:16 PM
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32. It looks fine now....
But I checked the site after troubleinwinter posted and it looked very different than it does now.
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:43 PM
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34. I love you all!!! But let's not make this sound like an obituary, OK?
These good folks are well and kicking! It would take much more than a deranged bev to stop them!!!
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:53 PM
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23. Thank you for all that you have given
Thank you for your struggles, and thank you for your time.
I do not know you, but you have my admiration.

May the New Year bring you Peace.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:57 PM
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24. Thank you for sharing your story, Andy
I hope that you head off to Chicago with a heart more at peace than it was 24 hours ago.

I suspect there is more to your story that you will share with others in private settings. I hope so. It is a big thing that you have been involved in. Some would call it an initiation, into what is unknowable but after a period of darkness and integration, new things emerge.

Take the time you need to rest, come back to yourself, take care of your health issue and your relationship. Then see what paths open before you. Funny thing about life, it has a way of taking you to very surprising places if you only say "yes."

I don't think we've heard the last of you yet....

Hope you have a wonderful time in Chicago with some of the world's most loving, caring and committed folks around - you deserve it!

Happy Christmas to you and yours,

Beth
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:01 PM
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25. Patriotism Often Leaves Scars
Condolences on your recent losses! This movement will miss you profoundly but your legacy will live on when Kerry is inaugurated. After his takes his oath, he'll have you to thank in part!

Freedom seldom is free!
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:09 PM
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27. Andy
Thanks for all that you have done, and for all that you have endured. Rest now friend and rejuvenate. Take time to mourn your loss and reflect on all the positive things that you have accomplished. Nothing that anyone says can take that away from you.

You have joined a host of Patriots that have suffered and sacrificed for the cause of freedom, and I hope that you can find some comfort in that. Generations to come may never know what you have done, but they WILL reap the benefit of your actions.

Now is the time to take care of yourself. May you have a blessed holiday Andy, and please accept the thanks of a grateful nation.

Seito


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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:44 PM
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29. Help me, pals....
I am trying to send my embarrassingly tiny PayPal balance for Andy, as a thank you for his work and integrity.

David, your blackbox COM site is messed up....

The Panic Yahoo email does not work, because Yahoo redacts a portion of email addys, so cannot get Andy's whole addy to send to.

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:13 PM
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30. Huh?
I just checked it. I have text outside the box area (can't help it, Andy email address is long) but I can read everything (IE and FireFox)

How is it "messed up"?

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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HeyManThatsCool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:33 PM
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33. Just me, or?
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 03:36 PM by HeyManThatsCool
It seems like Andy broke off at an odd spot there. The difference between Bean Spills 1&2 and the "I'm going away" message of 3 seems really off. He is offering no further guidance to any of us about what information he had a DIRECT hand in finding. Surely there are details that he could share that would HELP?

I'm actually wondering if Andy hasn't already been threatened by Bev. The tone in Bean Spill 3 is completely different. And slightly contradictory. Andy- Bev MAY mean well but it sounds as if she has a case of Crazy Bitch. I get this not just from your spills, but from the DU tombstoning & the KO situation. Not to mention the ridiculousness that is BBV.org.......... WHAT A JOKE!!! That message saying they were hacked when they tried to post sensitive info?? It's been there for months.

All very cloak and dagger stuff. Waaaaay over the top.

I think if you know things Andy, and can help further this movement, you should come forward. I think Bev's usefulness has expired. She is now doing more harm than good. People like you, David Allen & Eloriel could be the future!! DONT SIT ON THE SIDELINES AND BOW OUT!

must the school yard bully ALWAYS get their way by making people retreat into a shadowy corner?


Edited to add:

Also, in the Bean Spill 2 thread you asked if any Washington State Lawyers would help you with unresolved issues with BBV. This tells me there are big problems and that you need help. Don't let her scare you into submission.

The truth shall set you- and many other DUers- Free

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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:45 PM
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35. I was thinking EXACTLY the same.
1 & 2 were written as a prelude to much more detailed information than is present in 3. I suspect something is going on.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:33 PM
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38. Same here.
But if it isn't hashed out here, I hope it is hashed out in a court of law. Andy deserves to be heard.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:31 PM
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41. Spoke to him today
He is fine and pondering more on the qui tam details. But it is Christmas Eve and they are still working in Ohio.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:31 PM
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37. David, it's messed up for me, too.
It shows warnings all over the page. Here's a copy/paste of the text on the page:

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:29 PM
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40. Weird
I think the problen is intermittent. I finally got it to do this, but then refreshed the page and it was fine.

Checking with the ISP.

Thanks for the heads up.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 04:54 PM
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36. Do take the time to get the wind back in your sails. You've earned it.
And thank you for reclaiming your own public/internet integrity without doing a scorched earth number on the cause of exposing election fraud.

I know what the burden of enabling others without enough resources to take care of yourself can do to you. I was recently in a similar situation and finally bowed out to save myself.

There is an info-war going on with the highest stakes imaginable and the waters are filled with sharks looking for just a toe in the water to grab hold of.

Please take good care of yourself and don't feed the sharks. They are hungry for scraps and, frankly, we're going to need a bigger boat than BBV.org.

With Conyers, Clint Curtis, etc. it seems we finally have a bigger boat but the crew is still getting organized.
peace,
JOM
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(This is a fascinating history of the forces behind election fraud that range from Depression-era corrupt businessmen to Cold Warriors to theocratic billionares. They've spent 70 years preventing democracy in the USA for the profits of conquest and the glory of...themselves.

I don't think this is being handed out in orientation packets for 19 year-old army recruits on their way to Iraq for an 'up-armored'...Fallujan Freedom Frenzy. But it damn sure ought to be in high schools and colleges. Give it to the young'uns in your life.

Sources are down at the bottom, pun intended.-JOM)
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Vote Rigging: how organised criminals have stolen U.S. democracy
Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 06:18 PM

Hi-Tech computer voting is now the order-of-the-day in America. In
October 2002, the US Administration passed the Help America Vote Act
(HAVA) which authorised the funding of $4 billion for states to use the
Direct Recording Election system (DRE) equipment which would have to
meet certain standards (set by the Act ) by the year 2006, at which
point, they (the states) will be under obligation to have purchased
said new equipment. As of December 2003, 36 states have agreed to these
obligations. <1> Note that in DRE, votes are stored electronically,
and, as such , therefore under proprietary ownership of the equipment
companies: the voter is therefore denied access!

As always, the above needs to be seen within an historical context if
it is to be properly assessed, and the following facts, at first
glance, may seem to be of little pertinence to the opening paragraph -
but, hopefully, this will be clarified by the further facts that follow.

In 1933, in answer to the economic Depression that prevailed then, FDR
set up the Business Advisory Council (BAC) - a cabal of prestigious
corporate capitalists who would subsequently become a crucial adjunct
to the US Department of Commerce. This depression lasted throughout the
‘30’s into the very early ‘40’s as evidenced by queues of jobless,
among whom it soon became common knowledge that there was no need to
apply at certain companies if you were either a Jew or Irish.

In 1961, JFK was elected president by a very small majority and
appointed Republicans to all his cabinet posts -but that of Secretary
of State. Not long after, as noted by G. William Domhoff in his book
‘The Powers That Be’: the BAC had “...made a unilateral withdrawal from
its quasi governmental status in 1962”, and dropping the term
‘Advisory’ from its title, it would from now on be known as ‘The
Business Council’ (BC). The reason for this break in relations was that
JFK’s Secretary of Commerce, Luther H. Hodges, had demanded a more
open-style Council, the chairman of which, Ralph Cordinger (of General
Electric), had become involved in a gigantic price-fixing scandal in
the electrical equipment industry. As a result, the Council declared it
would become an ‘independent organisation’ which would offer its advice
to all agencies of government. Domhoff added “Despite the fact that the
Business Council was no longer an official advisory group to the
Department of Commerce, it continued the prominent role it had
developed during the Eisenhower administration, supplying
businesspeople for government positions and meeting regularly in Hot
Springs with government officials. It was especially close to the
Johnson administration.”<2> The BC was not pleased with JFK.

(The following events of JFK’s presidency will, of necessity, heavily
rely on Mark Lane’s book, ‘Plausible Denial’ - inasmuch as it is the
most comprehensive published coverage of the assassination - to say
nothing of the attendant cover-ups. After all, Lane was personally
involved in much of the legal activity in this affair, and had much
access to documents)

But before going further, it is important to note that JFK had
inherited another brewing problem: namely, the Cuban revolution of 1959
had led to the expulsion from that island of the American Mafia, who
were soon co-opted by the CIA in the latter’s secretive plans to
‘remove’ Castro. A dangerous precedent was hereby set in motion.

In April 1961, the CIA-led ‘Bay of Pigs’ operation against Cuba failed,
and, as Col. L. Fletcher Prouty confirms to Mark Lane, JFK decided to
dismantle the CIA by initially firing top officers Allen Dulles
(Director), Cabell (deputy Director - whose brother was Mayor of
Dallas), and Bissell (Director for Plans). Prouty added that “..The
task of breaking up the CIA was scheduled for 1964, after the foreseen
Kennedy re-election”. (NB: From ‘55 to ‘63, Prouty had held the
following key positions: chief of special operations in (a) the Joint
Chiefs of Staff; (b) the Office of the Secretary of Defense; and (c)
The US Air Force.) <3>

In the aftermath of the Bay of Pigs fiasco, JFK set up the Cuban study
group to determine the future of the CIA (Dulles was part of that
group!). This resulted in the three National Security Action Memoranda
(NSAM) 55, 56, & 57 aimed at drastically curbing any future CIA
activities. This turned out to be a somewhat futile gesture on
Kennedy’s part - the illegal activities of the CIA continued. <4>

Soon after being elected, and on the advice of his administration
(mainly Republicans, as noted above), he had authorised a 12-fold
increase in US troops to be sent to Vietnam - to the satisfaction of
the Military-Industrial complex. It did not take him long to realise
his mistake. In 1963, now determined to withdraw the 16,000 American
troops from Vietnam, JFK sent Gen. Maxwell Taylor and Sec. of Defense
Robert McNamara to Vietnam to ‘prepare’ a report known as the Trip
Report (already drawn up by Maj. Gen. Victor Krulak & Col. Prouty)
recommending such withdrawal. (Understandable, when it is recalled
that, as Senator, he (JFK) had visited Vietnam in 1951 and written the
following complaint in his book “Strategy of Peace” (p.89): “In
Indo-China we have allied ourselves to the desperate effort of a French
régime to hang on to the remnants of empire.There is no broad general
support of the native Vietnam government among the people of that
area.”)

Now, this Trip report was duly signed and delivered to the president.
Result? The very crucial NSAM 263 of 2nd October 1963 which called for
the immediate removal of 1000 ‘military advisers’ and a timetable for
the withdrawal of all remaining troops. According to Col. Prouty: “The
Pentagon was outraged. JFK was a curseword in the corridors”. On the
10th of November 1963, Prouty was posted to the South Pole by Maj. Gen.
Edward G. Lansdale, CIA liaison to McNamara. He was therefore not in
Dallas when JFK was assassinated on November the 22nd. <5>

The dissimulative manner in which the investigation of the
assassination was conducted by the police, the FBI, the Warren
Commission, and the conniving media - all accompanied by numerous
contradictory statements - naturally aroused suspicion in the eyes of
many, including witnesses to the assassination. Now, suspicion, in the
absence of rational facts, prompts assumptions, one of which is a very
common-sensical one: namely, in view of the facts above, it was now
self-evident that JFK’s relationship with the CIA and the
Military-Industrial Complex (as was Eisenhower’s wont to call it) was
of such an inimical nature that he was now regarded as a threat to the
latter’s strategy of global domination - and would therefore have to be
killed sooner rather than later - preferably before the coming
election. Indeed, in 1979, the House Select committee on Assassinations
concluded that JFK was assassinated ‘as a result of a conspiracy’. As
for the consequences of such an act - the Establishment’s
economic/political clout was such that they were confident of their
ability to cope with them. They wasted no time - with not a little help
from the new president, LBJ, who had had little love for JFK. Now, it
was becoming increasingly necessary to cover the whole matter with a
veil of secrecy, with much assistance from the corporate-owned media -
but more crucially, subsequent elections would have to be better
‘controlled’ in order to ensure that the JFK débacle would not be
repeated. The new hi-tech computerised machines would later prove
essential to this aim.

Secrecy was of paramount importance to this project, and the first step
taken to ensure this was the unpublicised setting up, in August 1964,
of the News Election Service (NES), a consortium of the three major
television networks: ABC, NBC and CBS (CNN was to join later), plus the
Associated Press wire service, the New York Times, the Washington Post
and other news-gathering organizations, their job being to compile
computer-voting results at election time and feed them to the major
media. That this veil of secrecy was later lifted (but only to a
certain extent), was due to the investigatory work of two brothers, Jim
and Ken Collier - entrepreneurs - who wrote a book ‘Votescam:The
Stealing of America’ which exposed in comprehensive detail how votes at
elections were being manipulated from now on. But it must be hastily
added that the major book chains banned publication of the book (though
it is now available on the internet. <6>). The Colliers knew what they
were writing about: Ken had run for Congress in Florida in 1970.

It goes without saying that, in order to gain a clearer understanding
of any subject matter, it is helpful to view it from an historical
perspective - and so it is with the matter of voting methodology. It
should come as no surprise to learn that the paper-balloting system was
first adopted by Australia in 1856: after all, this was in effect a
symbolic gesture on the part of the many British/Irish who had
previously been expelled from their homelands to a strange land
thousands of miles away, there to serve their prison sentences on
criminal charges! These (now) Aussies were merely giving Britain a
2-finger salute: “Up yours, you Pommies!”. The Pommies got-the-message
and subsequently adopted this method of voting - which they still
follow to this day. (In America, as of 1996, only 1.7% of registered
voters used this system!).

The subsequent evolution in voting methods, from the mechanical lever
machine of 1892; through the punchcard, as used in the 1964
‘primaries’; to the marksense optical scan; to the latest Direct
Recording Electronic (DRE) system (see opening para. above) - all
reveal one significant, indisputable fact: namely, voting methodology
has become not only increasingly complex , but, more importantly, more
vulnerable to being manipulated illegally. This is not to say that the
simple paper ballot cannot be rigged (after all, a vote can be ‘bought’
in more than one way) - but it is verifiable - whereas the subsequent
methods (particularly the more recent ones such as the DRE) are not
verifiable, because of the legally-held proprietary rights of the
machine owners. In simple terms - the voter has no access to the
vote-count!

One of the earlier punch-card voting devices used was the
Harris-designed IBM Votomatic. “The punch card machine was first used
officially in 1965 in Fulton and DeKalb Counties, Georgia. .. problems
often occur with the ballot when it is put through the reading machine.
Although punch card machines are extremely fallible”, they were widely
used <7> “After several years, IBM realized that the Votomatic voting
machine... was actually a Pandora's box...and IBM eventually sold its
rights in the company after IBM's president, Thomas Watson, read an
article that implied he might be trying to install IBM voting machines
in enough precincts to win him the first electronically rigged election
for President of the United States”.... “With voting machines attached
to telephone lines it was possible to meddle with the actual vote from
a telephone miles away. Getting caught was not possible. ‘Deniability’
and ‘untrackability’ were built into the secret source codes that
animated the machines.”.... “Most Americans did not realize that such
an anti-democratic virus had infected their vote. Most do not realize
it today.” <8>

Spurred by reports and rumours of earlier cases of vote-rigging in Dade
county (when, in a referendum held in1959, the 27 municipalities had
lost their autonomous powers to an outside, elitist group, the Metro)
the Collier brothers decided that one of them, Ken, would run for
Congress against the sitting Democrat congressman, Claude Pepper, in
the 1970 election in Dade County, Florida. Pepper won in what the
brothers soon realised had been a manipulated, rigged vote involving
county officers, police, FBI, and judiciary! They were shocked, but
determined - and their subsequent years of detailed, thorough
investigation only confirmed their earlier fears. Vote-rigging was
alive and well in America - to say nothing of corruption in the higher
reaches of the Justice System in Washington!

One episode covering the Collier’s investigation in the aftermath of
the 1970 election is pertinently fascinating: again, they had learned
from earlier rumours/reports (see above) that the 1,648 mechanical
lever vote machines used in their election were probably stored at the
Opa-Locka airport hangar (Jim had learned to fly there)., and the
brothers were determined to see them - and learn from them. They
obtained a court order and went to said hangar - to find the machines
there. Producing their court order, and indicating one of the machines
stored there, Ken asked the man in charge “How can you rig this
thing?”. The man, assuming that their presence had been authorised,
explained that there were 2 simple ways: either by putting decals over
the counter, or by predeterming the counter reading “by shaving the
plastic wheel inside so that it slips ahead 100 or 200 or 300 votes.
Any good mechanic can do it with a razor blade.” And he gave them a
shaved ‘predetermining’ counter to keep. <9> They now had another item
of evidence in hand - and there were many more to come! (These
machines, made by Automatic Voting Machine Co. of New York were
evidently not as efficient as the later more complex computer machines
that were to follow).

As unearthed by the Collier bros. from the Library of Congress: in
1980, a study was commissioned by the CIA-linked Air Command and Staff
College in cooperation with the University of New Mexico to examine the
US electoral system. This important, candid study was subsequently
distributed to selected government agencies. Following are brief quotes
from same (NB: underlining is this author’s): "The United States
government has no elections office and does not attempt to administer
congressional elections.”...“The responsibility for the administration
of elections and certification of winners in the United States national
election rests with a consortium of private entities, including 111,000
members of the national League of Women Voters.”...“In the case of
counting actual ballots on national election night, public officials
have abdicated responsibility of aggregation of election night vote
totals to a private organization, News Election Service of New York
(NES)”..“ This private organization performs without a contract:
without supervision by public officials. It makes decisions concerning
its duties according to its own criteria.”...“The question and
accountability of News Election Service has not arisen in the nation's
press because the responsibility NES now has in counting the nation's
votes was assumed gradually over a lengthy period without ever being
evaluated as an item on the public agenda.” <10>

In 1990, due to a merger, NES became Voter Research & Surveys (VRS),
which, in turn, in 1993, became Voter News Service (VNS), which,
because of its exposed vote-rigging activities, was disbanded in early
2003 - to be replaced by the National Election Pool (NEP), a consortium
of ABC, AP, CBS, CNN, Fox, and NBC, “to provide tabulated vote counts
and exit poll surveys for the 2004 major presidential primaries and the
November general election. These six major news organizations, in a
joint decision, have appointed Edison Media Research and Mitofsky
International as the sole provider of exit polls for the most important
political races of 2004. The AP (group) will tally the vote”. <11>..A
case of many differing titles - but basically all the same consortium!
- perhaps best exemplified by the facts that the president of Mitovsky
International, Warren Mitofsky had been (a) executive director of the
CBS News election and survey unit from 1967 to 1990; (b) started and
directed Voter Research & Surveys from 1990 to 1993,”; and (c) had
started the CBS News/New York Times Poll in 1975 and directed it for
CBS for its first 15 years.” (He had even “conducted the only exit
polls for the Russian presidential elections in 1996 and 2000”; polled
for the 1993 and 1999 Duma elections; and in 1994, “conducted
the only exit poll and quick count for the Mexican presidential
election”). <12>

The following examples of vote-rigging of a high profile nature should
serve to illustrate the endemic corruption in the system:

(A) In 1988, ex-CIA Director George Bush snr. was elected President. As
is well-known, the New Hampshire primary is a crucial forerunner for
any presidential candidate. Senator Robert Dole was the clear favorite
for theRepublicans - but Bush snr. won unexpectedly. How come? The
Governor of New Hampshire was one John Sununu, a computer engineer, and
the computer voting machine being used was a ‘Shouptronic’ Direct
Recording Electronic (DRE) voting machine, supplied by Ransom Shoup,
who “had been twice convicted ofvote fraud in Philadelphia.”.. “It
completely lacked an ‘audit trail,’ an independent record that could be
checked in case the machine ‘broke down’ or its results were
challenged.”... “A source close to Gov. Sununu insists that Sununu knew
from his perspective as a politician, and his expertise as a computer
engineer, that the Shouptronic was prime for tampering. The concept is
clear, simple and it works. Computerized voting gives the power of
selection, without fear of discovery, to whomever controls the
computer.” On becoming president, Bush appointed Sununu Chief of Staff
in his administration. <13>

(B) Chuck Hagel was CEO of American Information Systems (AIS), a
computer voting machine company, until 1995, when he resigned in order
to run for the Senate in Nebraska in 1996. He unexpectedly won and thus
became the first Republican to do so in 26 years! AIS counted the
votes. In 1999 AIS merged with Electronic Systems & Software (ES&S). In
the following 2002 election, Hagel retained his seat, this time by a
landslide (83%). ES&S counted the votes!

AIS had been founded by brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich, in turn funded
by the Howard F. Ahmanson Co. - who therefore still have a stake in
what is now ES&S. (Howard Ahmanson belongs to the Council for National
Policy, a hard right wing organization, and also helps finance The
Chalcedon Institute, a fundamentalist religious group). The parent
company of ES&S, in turn, was McCarthy & Co., founded in the ‘90’s by
Michael McCarthy who subsequently acted as campaign director to Hagel
in his two elections - and is now Chuck Hagel's treasurer. Further,
Hagel had been president of McCarthy & Company, but resigned following
his election in ‘96 - but remains a major investor in the company!. It
is of pertinence to note here that ES&S also has a connection to the
Bush family. Jeb Bush's first choice as running mate in 1998 was Sandra
Mortham who was a paid lobbyist for ES&S and received a commission for
every county that bought its touch-screen machines. <14>

(C) Jeffrey W. Dean was the senior vice president and a director of
Global Election Systems in 2000 and 2001. He had been released from
prison in August 1995 after having served a sentence for theft in the
first degree. “Defendants thefts occurred over a two-&-a-half year
period.” While in prison, he had become friends with John Elder, who
had subsequently been released in November 1996 after doing 5 years for
cocaine trafficking. After release, Dean and his wife became owners of
Spectrum Printing & Mailing (the funding for this remains a mystery) -
and in 2000 sold this firm to Global Election Systems (GES) for $1.6
million - as a result of which, Dean served as Snr. Vice-President and
director of GES (noted above). In January 2002, GES was bought out by
one of the larger computer-voting companies, Diebold Election System,
who, in 2001, had contracted to build voting machines for GES. Dean was
retained as consultant for Diebold.

On 4th February 2002, John Elder (see above) was made general manager
of the Printed Products branch of Diebold. Weldon O’Dell, CEO of
Diebold, had donated over $200,000 to the Republican Party in the 2000
and 2002 campaigns - but is better known for his recent letter in which
he promised to deliver Ohio’s votes to George W. Bush in 2004! <15>

(D) Database Technologies (DBT Online) was founded by Hank Asher, and
was a company involved in the George Bush jnr. election fraud. The
group once had a data management contract with the FBI. However, this
was terminated following allegations that Asher was associated with
Bahamian drug dealers. In 1998, the state of Florida signed a $4
million contract with (DBT Online), which later merged into
ChoicePoint, for the purposes of providing a central voter file listing
those barred from voting. (As of 2002, Florida is the only state which
hires a private firm for these purposes).. The state Florida contracted
with DBT in November 1998, following the controversial Miami mayoral
race of 1997. The 1998 contracting process involved no bidding and was
worth $2,317,800!

On 17th April 2000, at a special Congressional hearing in Atlanta,
ChoicePoint Vice-President James Lee testified that Florida had ordered
DBT to add to the list voters who matched 80% of an ineligible voter's
name, and on February 16, 2001, DBT Senior Vice-President George Bruder
testified before the US Civil Rights Commission that the company had
misinformed the Florida Supervisors of Elections regarding the usage of
race in compiling the list.

ChoicePoint Vice President Martin Fagan admitted that at least 8,000
names were incorrectly listed in this fashion when, the company was
passed on a list given by the state of Texas, these 8,000 names were
removed prior to the election.He described the error as a "minor
glitch". He is also quoted as saying “"Given the outcome of our work in
Florida and with a new president in place, we think our services will
expand across the country." In January 2000, Pennsylvania terminated
its contract with ChoicePoint after alleging that the firm had
illegally sold citizens' personal information. In 2002, ChoicePoint
generated earnings of $200 million on revenue of $791 million. The
company employs 3,500 people at 52 locations within 26 states. <16>

(E) According to Mark Lewellen-Biddle of Purdue university, “the three
largest voting machine companies in America are Election Systems and
Software, Sequoia and Diebold”, Sequoia being the second largest “with
roughly one third of the voting machine market. In 1999, the Justice
Department filed federal charges against Sequoia alleging that
employees paid out more than $8 million in bribes. In 2001, election
officials in Pinellas County, Florida, cancelled a $15.5 million
contract for voting equipment after discovering that Phil Foster, a
Sequoia executive, faced indictment in Louisiana for money laundering
and corruption.” <17> And for good measure, Alex Lefebvre added that
Sequoia is largely controlled by the British cash-printing firm De La
Rue, whose parent , “private equity firm Madison Dearborn, is a partner
of the Carlyle Group, the investment firm that employs the current
president’s father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush.” <18>

The above examples are by no means comprehensive , but they are surely
adequate enough to illustrate that the criminal element could only have
permeated the electoral process - and for so many years - with, at the
very least, the connivance of the higher echelons within the political
structure of the country. Which brings us back to the Help America Vote
Act of 2002 (a duplicitous misnomer, if there ever was one!), and its
effect on the coming presidential election this year - to say nothing
of its effect on the crucially important ‘primaries’ very soon. Of one
thing we can be sure: the votes will once again be rigged, as
illustrated above, and confirmed as promised by Weldon O’Dell of
Diebold above - unless the American enfranchised public wake up very
quickly and take the matter into their own hands. There is little sign
of this so far.

The very concept of democracy is at stake.


ENDNOTES
<1> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/vote-d24.shtml.
<2> www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ruling_Elites/Policy_Formation_TPTB.html
<3> “Plausible Denial” by Mark Lane 1992 Plexus Publishing ltd. (p. 98)
<4> Ibid (pp 99,100)
<5> Ibid (pp102,103)
<6> http://www.votescam.com/orderbook.html
<7> http://nairobi.mwc.edu/~rdean8it/HIST200R/types.html.
<8> “Votescam: The Stealing of America” by James & Kenneth Collier 2000
Vistoria House Press (pp18,19)
<9> Ibid. (pp84-88)
<10> Ibid. (pp22,23)
<11> http://www.exit-poll.net/pool.html..
<12>
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/election/
2001844416_exitpolls27.html.
<13> op.cit.”Votescam” (pp13-16)
<14> http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/INF307A.html.
<15> http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm.
<16> http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChoicePoint.
<17> http://www.inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=490_0_1_0_C
<18> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/vote-d24.shtml.


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