Scary!! Contact your reps and stop Roemer!

[catgirl]

Tim Roemer is formally joining the race to lead the DNC.
He is openly anti abortion and wants changes in the
idealology of the dem party. Scary stuff. sounds like a repug
implant to me.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=703&e=1&u=/ap/20050109/ap_on_re_us/democrats

Call your reps and voice your opinion.

[Merlot]

1. Who gets to vote on the DNC chair?

[catgirl]

8. I'm pretty sure the House solely does

not positive. Anyone know the particulars?

[imenja]

41. DNC members, it's not the House

Delegates to the DNC. Their emails are here: http://platform.smartcampaigns.com/DNCMembers

These are people who have been active in the party for some time and have been elected to delegate positions withing the party itself, not the House or the Senate.

[suffragette]

11. wikipedia has that info and links

From wikipedia: The Democratic National Committee will meet February 10-12, 2005 to elect a new DNC Chair as well as new officers. The 447 members of the DNC will cast their votes for Party Chair on the 12th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee

More info on how the members are selected:
http://www.democrats.org/about/function.html

Thanks for asking the question. I was curious myself, but hadn't searched for it before.

[bush_is_wacko]

52. That website has a comments section.

I used the form to register my complaint about both Roemer and Webb. Neither candidate is acceptable to me. I also said I support Dean even though that would, in his own words, take him out of the running for the 2008 nomination. I have not seen any other Democrat listed that I could support for this position. Anyway thanks for posting this information. I think it presents a great opportunity for all of us to register an opinion before the DNC decides.

[indigo]

2. Who are the Democratic heavy-hitters backing him?

I thought he'd been all but abandoned?

[Wabbajack]

3. Pelosi and Reid last I heard

[rodeodance]

4. ny god- our Dem leaders is backing Tim!!!

[catgirl]

5. We really need to fight this

perhaps Terry McAuliffe should stay on.

[Blue_In_AK]

19. What's up with Nancy Pelosi?

I thought she used to be one of the good guys.........

[bunny planet]

39. she's had a chip implanted in her head a la Manchrian candidate

Time to flood Ms. Pelosi's office with email, letters, and phone calls.

[Freddie Stubbs]

49. Max Cleland is supporting him

[oldtime dfl_er]

6. The party heads are wrong

They think that deserting the values that have been important to the Democratic Party will bring more "centrists" to it. They have no foresight. What they cannot see is that the Repukes, out of hubris and ignorance, are on the road to dismantling the Constitution, ruining the future of every person over 50, destroying the air, etc etc and that it is better to let them implode -- and it WILL happen. They will implode when enough Republicans and centrists with a conscience abandon them, and that day is not far off. To attempt to move to the center is a short sighted and erroneous strategy. I will definitely write whoever I need to to request they not vote Roemer into the DNC chair -- he is Norm Coleman in disguise.



www.cafepress.com/showtheworld

[catgirl]

7. You're right about the Coleman comparison

Look what happened to our MSM and elections. Wouldn't surprise
me if they're trying to infiltrate the dem party.

[imenja]

43. self delete

duplicate

[EFerrari]

9. Does anyone think maybe Reid and Pelosi are using Roemer

to get consessions from Dean?

I've already called Pelosi and will again.

[catgirl]

10. Reid is a conservative dem

His endorsement doesn't surprise me. What's up
with Pelosi though? I hope she is looking at the
big picture.

[EFerrari]

13. I can't imagine her backing Roemer unless she's contracted

some brain disease. Which makes me think, maybe this is a tactic to curb Dean a little? Maybe my own wishful thinking.

[anamandujano]

29. Let the dems be, they have the party they want.

The dem party we want is non-existent.

[sarcasmo]

12. If this happens I will re register as an Independent

This would be the last straw for me. What is the difference between this guy and a Repuke?

[imenja]

45. Is he worse than McAuliffe?

That guy redefines the term sleaze.

[CoffeeCat]

14. I was VERY disturbed by what I heard Roemer say...

...on "This Week" this morning.

He said that Democrats need to talk more about "religion" and "values" and that we need to focus our efforts more on bringing religious people into the party. Stepanopoulos cut him off when he began quoting Bible verses.

I have no problem with religion being a part of the Dem party. I consider myself a religious person. However, it sounds like Roemer is trying to be like the Republicans, "Hey wait a minute! We like God too! See, I can quote Jesus!".

I found his rhetoric insulting and really fake.

I don't understand his strategy. Does he think that the Dems can win elections by stealing religious conservatives from the Republican party?

I also abhor his lack of spine and courage. He's allowing the Republicans to dictate Dem strategy. Secondly, he's operating as if the Republican lies about Democrats are true. Republicans insist that Dems are jerks who hate God--as if our heads spin around when we drive by a church. Roemer appears as if he's out to disprove what the Reps say about us--by being more like them. This is so wrong. You can't win that way.

The Dems are a big, tolerant tent and we welcome all faiths and all people. We need to tout that--instead of trying to position ourselves as the 700 Club Lite (The 600 Club?).

I am shocked that our Dem leaders would want this guy to spearhead the Dem party. Totally shocked.

[femme.democratique]

18. Lol, no, its the 6900 club... eom

[imenja]

46. he is entirely devoid of ideas

He said nothing that every TV pundit doesn't say, only not particularly well. You're right, the religion and values stuff was pure rhetoric and it sounded hollow. I don't think he offers anything.

[sunnystarr]

47. Pelosi did the same thing right after Kerry conceded ...

she quoted the bible ... awkwardly on CNN. She believes all that moral values crap are the reason Repukes won. Well if she wants to be like a Repug then go across the aisle. Instead of defending the real values of the Dems, values important to all Americans, and pointing out that you don't have mention God, Jesus, or the Bible every time you open your mouth to be religious, she chose to quote the damn Bible. I sat there with an open mouth (just like the host).

Pelosi needs to learn to be true to her principles and those of the Party. What I'm reading here is describing Roemer the same way - only I'm assuming that being described as right wing means that he at least is true to his principles when quoting the Bible.

Someone better get through to her and Read. If this is the track they want to take ... the "if you can't beat 'em join 'em track"... then they'll lose the Democratic base.

It does prove one thing though ... they haven't realized that this election was stolen. They believe Bush won "fair and square" (Bill Clinton). Maybe they should start having more faith in the people in their Party.

If they don't, the Dem party will split in two. If that happens then assets should be shared equally ... as in a divorce.

[seabeyond]

15. news started prepping this months ago

asking dems why they dont have the few anti abortion people running the party. what do we have to hide, what are we afraid of, and we exclusive yada yada............as the right totally vote all of life on this one and lonely issue

they were in essence desensitizing dems or putting the story out to be told to have a anti abortion leader in the dem party

[EFerrari]

16. I saw that. Next, they'll be calling us baby killers on the air.

That's why Pelosi either has to withdraw her support from Roemer or lose her own. Not negotiable.

[seabeyond]

17. Not negotiable......yup, hate us dont.....

this is the party, women must have the choice, not forcing one religious belive on a whole gender, religion we have for ourselves not for dictating how others live their lives and the choices they make. beyond abortion

[EFerrari]

22. The lowest abortion rates occur where it is LEGAL and where

birth control is available.

So, who are the real "baby-killers" and life wreckers? More propaganda. These people don't give a damn about life, it's just a PR tool.

[seabeyond]

26. they know not what they do

really in their hearts they think they are doing it right, they think it is so clear..........that is what happens when you try to define all of life in right and wrong. cant go beyond to the greater picture, cannot even see

when i was young and trying to figure out sin, adn religion and jesus and thinking sex, or homosexuality i always went to if i believed it was a sin and did it, like being mean to someone, i know that is wrong, then i did wrong. but i really couldnt see sex, as long as you werent hurting self or the other, or homosexuality all of itself, a good person who is staying true to themselves living a good life,..........i didnt see that as sin

now take someone who believes sex outside of marriage is a sin, and they have sex, there is your sin

round about way of saying, many many anti abortion think abortion is killing a baby and see it is wrong. i can respect that. and thaat is when i say then dont ever do it, because then you become the sinner

just not anothers place to put it on one who doesnt believe, same with sex outside of marriage, homosexuality, yada yada yada. going to church weekly, some think if you dont cant be connected to god. so they need to. i am connected to god without church, they just dont get it cause not in their realm in site

[EFerrari]

28. I hear you, was raised strict Catholic. But you have to know that

the party leadership has been briefed on the actual stats and they know damn well that outlawing abortion creates ABORTIONS.

The callous disregard for human life of these people makes me ill.

WE should start calling ourselves Pro Life because in truth, we are. Our policy WORKS.

(Lol, this makes me crazy. I'm yelling with my fingers.)

[seabeyond]

30. statistically and factually proven, states with death penalty

more murders. death penalty increases violent murder, where as the states without has decrease

not a deterent

abstence course and oath, earlier sex and pregnancy

D.A.R.E programs and oath, ealier use of tabacco drugs and alcohol

you dont get people to behave thru punishment, it is thru education and creating a foundation from within so they have the self awareness to say no and know why they are saying no

[Carolab]

20. He also belongs to MERCATUS and the Center for National Policy!

STOP ROEMER!!!!

[EFerrari]

24. Carolab, who ARE those people? n.t

[Carolab]

25. BAD!

Read this:

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Mercatus_Center

http://www.cnponline.org/

more here as well:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1479792&mesg_id=1479792

(Re-read second link; I had copied info from Council for National Policy instead of Center for National Policy). The first is RW. Still the second involves Repuke cheater Chuck Hagel along with Kennedy...

[EFerrari]

27. holy cr%p, batman. how can this man pretend to be a democrat?

What an god's green earth is Nancy Pelosi thinking? She can't be unaware of this sh*t.

It just makes my blood run cold. I fully expect Darth Vadar to show up and tell me I'm his kid.

Okay, we make this a priority. I'm working too many things, but if you want, we can post a thread/action every day on this. I can get it out to the L.A. Greens and MoveON and to my anti war people.

Why the Greens? Because we're issue oriented and in CA have a huge progressive network. Because it's not in anyone's interest to have facists heading up the Democratic Party.

[Zen Democrat]

21. Contact your state Democratic Chairman - google to find websites.

These people vote for DNC chair and need to hear from Democrats in their states.

[EFerrari]

23. CA dems contact form

http://www.cadem.org/site/apps/fc/form.asp?c=fvLRK7O3E&b=34877

[catgirl]

31. MN chair

DFL Mike Erlandson, chair
e-mail address: [e-mail]

[Merlot]

37. Done -thanx for the link!

[Liberty Belle]

38. Thanks. I sent them a blistering e-mail.

[smartvoter]

32. Yep. This is the worst part of this election's fallout -- Dems are

responding to what they think is public sentiment by putting conservative Dems in charge.

So we end up with a narrowed political spectrum from Republicans of old to neocons of today. Bye-bye liberals...

[catgirl]

34. No! We need to fight.

We need a progressive leader here. Period.
Anyone have a list of all democratic state chairs?
If so, please start a new thread with it. Let me know.

My feeling is, McAuliffe should stay. Kerry is already
working on an agenda for the dems. We can only get
stronger and STRONGER!!! I feel my muscles bulging
already!

[imenja]

53. McAuliffe is a progressive?

He's gotten the party into bed with more corporate donors than anyone in the history of the party. The man is foul. His dishonestly permeates through the television screen. He has to go.

[lonestarnot]

33. BOOO! Definitely contacting! Pelosi running scared!

Falling for GOP coopt!

[catgirl]

36. Pelosi needs to pull herself together... Her e-mail

Tell her we do not want a conservative democratic
party. This will not serve any purpose except to
alienate progressive dems and friends.

Her e-mail: [e-mail]

[lonestarnot]

40. Thanks for email address catgirl. Email sent.

[bush_is_wacko]

35. Wellington Webb is just as bad

He was accused of blatant cronyism here in Colorado and believe me the accusations were right on target. I wanted to see Dean be able to run in 2008, but honestly, if the choices are between Webb, Roemer, and Dean, I have to say Dean. Anyone got any dirt on him (Dean) I don't know about yet? I'd like to know in case I decide to endorse yet another trying to enter into the running.

[bklyncowgirl]

50. Dirt on Dean?

I think Dean was pretty much raked over the coals during the primaries. The Democrats wanted him gone and the media was hitting him pretty hard too. I think if there was anything serious--or better yet frivolous and scandalous out there they would have found it and broadcasted it to the skies.

About the only thing that stuck was that he seemed at the time to have sealed more documents than previous governors. There were some dark suggestions as to what these sealed documents may have contained. Dean's explanation was that alot of the stuff was private correspondence from gay people thanking him for signing the civl unions bill and that he didn't want that to get into the public. As it turned out there were far fewer sealed documents than previously thought. Some boxes got misdirected to the wrong warehouse or something. I think the truth is that he sealed fewer documents than his predecessors.

I guess someone from Vermont or a real hardcore Deaniac would have a better handle on this.

[bush_is_wacko]

51. I agree that Dean got a bad wrap from what I can see...

I just want to KNOW that I am not putting one failure aside for another. I want the DNC to know they can't put these POOR examples of democratic values in charge. Both Webb and Roemer are NOT acceptable.

I really would still like to see Dean in the race for 2008, but if the DNC leaves the current people as the ONLY choice, I want Dean as head of the DNC. Dean was, at one time, my choice for nominee. I ended up deciding I liked Kerry better, not because of Dean's take down, but because Kerry had been instrumental in the Iran-Contra exposure and I thought he would be better able to wade trough the mess the thugs have created of our system, having done that. I do still think, however, that a lot of Dem's like and support Dean and it would be a shame to lose a potential nominee for 2008 that can be trusted.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

42. Al Franken had me yelling at him as I was driving in my car. I think

he might have been setting us up for Roehmer. Franken said he wouldn't mind a pro-lifer to head the DNC.

[imenja]

44. Martin Frost?

What do you all think of him? I saw him at the Southern Caucus and he made some good points. Moreover, he sounds like he really wants to fight. I don't really know anything about him other than Delay redistricted him out of his House seat and that his complaint has helped lead to ethics investigations into Delay and the Austin DA's prosecution of key Delay aids and cronies.

[Freddie Stubbs]

48. Max Cleland is supporting him

<snip>

Roemer picked up a key endorsement during a Saturday meeting with Democratic delegates attending a regional party meeting in Atlanta. That endorsement came from former U.S. Sen. Max Cleland of Georgia.

more: http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2005/01/10/local.20050110-sbt-FULL-A1-Roemer.sto

[imenja]

54. I don't get it

It would be one thing if he had anything to say, any ideas. I see nothing there.