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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:37 PM
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Loophole lets foreigners illegally vote
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 02:43 PM by Lisabtrucking
http://www.electionline.org/index.jsp?page=ElectionLineToday2 , go to texas to get the story without registering.
This is another act of fraudulent election results.

This election should be thrown out.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:38 PM
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1. No such article
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:39 PM
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3. sorry missing the 0, fixed now. n/t
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 03:13 PM
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15. Thanks for the link, but they still can't vote
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 03:15 PM by DulceDecorum
Foreigners have to jump through dozens of hoops to live in the US.
Almost none of them are willing to jeopardize their status by voting for some schmo in some rigged election.

There was some lie doing the rounds about how some of the hijackers got some illegal alien to go down to the DMV and vouch for them so they could get drivers licenses from Virginia.

No way.
The DMV would have double-triple checked the person doing the vouching and they would soon have discovered that his Social Security number and INS entry info were not kosher. Then they would have nabbed the entire group.
Those boys had inside help.

Even in Tennessee, which did not require a valid SS Number to be submitted, the middle-easterners had to enlist the assistance of Katherine Smith who was later found torched in a car belonging to her middle-eastern business partner.

In any case,
why should ANYONE give one fig for foreigners voting
when DIEBOLD doesn't count ANY DAMN DEMOCRAT votes in the first place?
Furthermore,
the non-white foreigners who are being targeted by this article
have to wait HOURS ON END to get with arms reach of a voting booth
and pass a few dozen Republican KKKhallengers along the way.

This whole thing is yet another way in which
the Republicans seek to deny us all the power to vote for DEMOCRATS.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:39 PM
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2. Article is not there and foreigners cannot vote
Contrary to what the righwingnuts claim.
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:41 PM
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4. here is the main link for the story, go to texas, and you'll be able to
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:42 PM
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5. The article is there. eom
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:44 PM
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6. Article IS there and I saw it in the Chronicle yesterday.
Kind of makes ya go, hmmmmmmm.......
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:48 PM
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7. Boy were they quick to change this article to a register only, sorry
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 02:48 PM by Lisabtrucking
if you want to read it you'll have to register. I swear just minutes ago it was a direct link.
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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:52 PM
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9. nifty little site here to let you get in
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 02:53 PM by McKenzie
someone else posted it here a while back; I can't claim credit for finding it. Not it tested btw.

regards

http://www.bugmenot.com/

edit: gramma
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:55 PM
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12. Wow! nice little tool, thanks. n/t
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:49 PM
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8. Which election are you saying should be thrown out, I'm curious?
One guy, who checked "No" to the "I am a citizen" question, and got registered anyway through a clerical error, should invalidate an entire election?

That's not anywhere NEAR as big of a deal as all the other crap we've seen out there, IMO.
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:52 PM
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10. I know both elections were screwed up, but we must work on this
one because it has just happened. I am very aware of what is going on in every state, and because of all the blunders and thief that accrued in this election. The election should be thrown out, and a new vote be taken. IMO
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 02:55 PM
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11. So you're advocating throwing out the Democrat who won, eh?
How very bipartisan of you.
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 03:02 PM
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13. What drug are you on? How does this have anything to do with
The democratic party?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 03:10 PM
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14. That's why I asked you which election you were referring to.
Although I guess I should have specified, National, or Local. The incident you are talking about has specific impact on a local Houston race. From the article you quoted:

The issue of foreigners voting in local elections came up recently with the discovery that Henning Eilert-Olsen, a Norwegian living in Katy, had voted in the state legislative race between Talmadge Heflin and Hubert Vo in November. Democrat Vo defeated incumbent Republican Heflin by 33 votes, but Heflin is contesting the election in the state House.


Saying "this election should be thrown out" has a pretty specific meaning in the context of the Vo-Heflin race, IMO.
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 03:20 PM
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16. I guess I should of been clearer, I want the entire election thrown out.
It shouldn't matter what party it is. If there is so many mistakes the election should be redone. I believe that is the only way to make things right, for all Americans.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 03:29 PM
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18. Well, I guess my confusion arose from the fact that
there really is a realistic chance for the Vo-Heflin race to be thrown out, which would be a pity, IMO. And ... although it would be lovely... there's not a snowball's chance in hell we're getting a redo on the federal election.

Oh well, I guess we have to work harder between now and 06....
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 03:27 PM
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17. Henning Eilert-Olsen
Edited on Mon Jan-17-05 03:28 PM by DulceDecorum
a Norwegian living in Katy.

Ever hear of
The Democrat Youth Community of Europe (DEMYC) is the international umbrella organisation of the youth wings of Christian-Democratic, Conservative and like-minded parties of Europe. With currently now more than one million affiliates in its member organisations, DEMYC is one of the strongest political youth organisations in Europe.
http://www.demyc.org/this_is_demyc/

The 1970s – COCDYC’s membership constantly grows, which requires the broadening of the ideological basis; activities on specific topics like environmental policy or social services are organised. Organisations adopt resolutions on current political issues like the violation of human rights by Iran, the Israeli-Egyptian Peace Treaty, the Cyprus problem or the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan. Multilateral meetings between Western and Eastern Europe are carried out.
http://www.demyc.org/history/events/

1981 –1983 Bureau Member: Henning Eilert-Olsen Norway
1983 – 1985 Vice Chairman: Henning Eilert-Olsen Norway
1985 – 1987 Secretary General: Henning Eilert-Olsen Norway 85/86
http://www.demyc.org/history/officers/

Not all voters on the list of 167 have received subpoenas or questionnaires.
One who hasn't is Henning Eilert-Olsen of Katy, who has lived in the area for nearly 14 years and voted in the November election even though he is not an American citizen and is therefore not eligible to vote.
Although Eilert-Olsen, a Norwegian, said he does not recall registering to vote, an application on file in Bettencourt's office appears to bear his signature. But the application also states that Eilert-Olsen is not a U.S. citizen. Nevertheless, he was issued a voter's card and CAST A STRAIGH REPUBLICAN TICKET in November.
Bettencourt acknowledged his office erred in giving Eilert-Olsen a voter card.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2986820

Henning Eilert-Olsen CAST A STRAIGHt REPUBLICAN TICKET
AND still THEY COMPLAIN!!
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 03:36 PM
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19. A Straight REPUBLICAN TICKET, Why do people always
Think that foreigners are always democrat? I know of quit a few foreigners that voted Republican. This is a misconception that people believe.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 03:41 PM
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21. YOU PERSONALLY KNOW FOREIGNERS WHO VOTED REPUB
My, my.
NAIL THEM.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 05:36 PM
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22. LOL. nt
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 03:39 PM
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20. Inside Job
Paul Bettencourt, Harris County Tax Assessor-Collector, was re-elected to his second full term on Nov. 2, 2004. Bettencourt received 58.3 percent of votes cast in his race. Of all candidates on the ballot in Harris County, he was the only one to receive more than 600,000. (President George W. Bush collected 580,553 votes for re-election from voters in Harris County.)
http://www.paulbettencourt.com/paulbettencourt_com/default.asp

BIO: Paul Bettencourt, Republican
Occupation:
Harris County Tax Assessor-Collector; vice president-sales, chemical, oil and gas division, ABB Industrial Systems, 1988-98, treasurer, 1996-97
Experience:
Harris County Tax Assessor-Collector, since 1998; Republican chairman, Harris County Precinct 309, 1998; vice chairman, Harris County GOP, 1996-97.
http://www.vgt2004.org/a-houstonchronicle/candidate-detail.go?id=1580731

State Republican Chairwoman Tina Benkiser wrote, in a letter to all Republicans, that THREE SEATS WERE STOLEN FROM THE GOP: "In light of the voter fraud and suspicious activity uncovered in House Districts 35, 50 and 149, an election contest is the only way for the people in these districts to be confident that their representatives are the ones they chose. Each Republican victim in these districts has decided, at great personal sacrifice, to file an election contest so that the truth, whatever it may be, is revealed."
NORWEGIAN FOR HEFLIN
I've had the pleasure of writing about some wonderful voting fraud in the past, all by inventive (if often stupid) Democrats, and I was looking forward to doing so again.
But Republican Rep. Jack Stick withdrew his challenge in Austin's District 50 a couple of weeks ago, and on Friday Republican Rep. Eric Opiela withdrew his challenge in the Rio Grande Valley's District 35.
That leaves Heflin and Vo, and now it appears likely there was no intentional fraud here — just a few hundred honest mistakes.
Even by a foreign voter. As reported the other day, Norwegian Henning Eilert-Olsen didn't remember filling out a registration card, but the one on file shows his signature. It also shows that he checked a box saying he is not a U.S. citizen.
When he was sent a voter registration card anyway, he figured he was allowed to vote, and he did — for Heflin
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2993636

Dang! No fraud among Vo voters!!
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