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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:00 PM
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I need an expert to verify/debunk/ammend this 'stunning' report
This was sent to me via one of my sources. Unfortunately, neither me nor him are statisticians so we aren't qualified to verify any of this, so if anybody here has the know-how, please do something with it.

Thank you.



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The networks were in league with Warren Mitofsky, but after crunching the math, I came to some absolutely appalling conclusions.


Read the notes contained below, first we have the diagram of the pre-weighted exit polls.


According to Warren these came in before all results became weighted even though they stay up until around 12 midnight.

Pre-exit polls before the Weighted Results came in.

First I find the results of the questions absolutely appalling:

They are asking everyone if they are an evangelical/born again, and
other questions, which should never be on ANY exit poll I firmly
believe. Here it shows no one voted "yes" or "no"

Then we have the columns for church attendance. What in the hell are
votes based on your church attendance doing being sent out by Warren
Mitofsky? Look at this pitiful display.

"VOTE BY CHURCH ATTENDANCE BUSH
KERRY NADER
TOTAL 2004 2000 2004 2004

More Than Weekly (16%) 61% +42 38% 1%

Weekly (26%) 56% +23 43% 1%

Monthly (13%) 46% +33 53% *

A Few Times a Year (28%) 42% +18 57% 1%

Never (15%) 32% +23 64% 3% "

Those who go to church less or so made a huge break for Kerry putting
it in his favor.

Then we have the sickening division of religion:

"TOTAL 2004 2000 2004 2004

Protestant (53%) 56% +0 43% 1%

Catholic (27%) 49% +2 50% 1%

Jewish (3%) 23% +4 77% *

Other (7%) 20% -8 75% 4%

None (11%) 29% n/a 70% 1%"

77% of Jewish broke for Kerry, 75% of other/christian and unitarian
broke for Bush.

Evangelical IS NOT ADDED TO THE EXIT POLL. Do you notice this?

90% of Black voters swung to Kerry, and were most likely
Christian/Other.

Look at this appalling display.

"VOTE BY RELIGION AND ATTENDANCE BUSH
KERRY NADER
TOTAL 2004 2000 2004 2004

Protestant/Weekly (16%) 67% n/a 32% 1%

Prot./Less Often (15%) 53% n/a 46% 1%

Catholic/Weekly (12%) 53% n/a 45% 1%

Catholic/Less Often (14%) 45% n/a 53% 1%

All Others (39%) 37% n/a 61% 1% "

Why are they now wanting to know which CHURCH you attend and how
often? What kind of garbage is this.

Still nothing happening, the final Exit Polls again shown.



Affiliations stay as they are, religious crossover remains.

Now a startling discovery in the weighted "final" exit poll.

"Cares About People (9%)
25%
n/a
74%

Religious Faith (8%)
91%
n/a
8%
*



Honest/Trustworthy (11%)
71%
n/a
28%
0%



Strong Leader (17%)
87%
n/a
12%
1%



Intelligent (7%)
9%
n/a
91%
0%



Will Bring Change (24%)
5%
n/a
95%
0%



Clear Stand on Issue (17%)
78%
n/a
20%
"

Religious Faith out of the middle of nowhere received a boost of over
90% bouncing for Bush, and 70% to say he was honest and
trustworthy!!! Out of literally nowhere, like it just dropped clean
out of the sky in the space of less than an hour.



Protestant (54%)
59%
+3
40%
0%



Catholic (27%)
52%
+5
47%
0%



Jewish (3%)
24%
+5
75%
*



Other (7%)
24%
-4
74%
2%



None (10%)
31%
+1
68% "

Kerry's numbers on religion dropped a tremendous number from out of
nowhere. Church Attendance numbers dropped automatically too, is this
some kind of a joke?

Finally the finale, like it or not Mitofsky's last Exit Poll added an
additional column.



Evangelical was added to the bottom of the Exit Poll. Its in the PDF
file and not surprisingly, over 70-80% evangelical boosted
the "altered exit polls" to an extra-ordinary number. Do you realize
the implications this has?

"Moral Values" disaster, not Moral Values.....

While I can not definitively draw a conclusion without forensic expertise, I can say that there is a fascist bias of supreme un-natural discourse in the exit polls and what led to "fixed" results.

Exit Polls available off of: Exitpollz.org
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:17 PM
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1. Kick for comment by others n/t
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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 02:51 PM
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2. another kick, doesn't anyone have ANYTHING to say about this?
I dont care if it's to slam it or praise it, I just want someone to say SOMETHING about it so we can figure this out.
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 04:11 PM
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3. I'm trying to figure out what you mean...
are you talking about the variance from the previous poll to this one on the moral and religious issues?
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 07:26 PM
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4. Trying to figure out what you
are trying to point out that is anomalous.

I did note this

Religious Faith (8%)
91%
n/a
8%
*

Are you referring particularly to this? Specifically and clearly (re)state what you believe to be anomalous.
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 09:19 PM
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5. Kick!
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 09:31 PM
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6. They NEED THIS INFORMATION TO COOK THE NUMBERS!
Your friend has exposed the key element on the puzzle.

They need to ID you based on "religion" so they can manipulate the results in a way that will look "perfectly natural."

Mitofsky is part of the plan, of course, this gives some "credibility" to the fairy tale about "*"'s vote coming from Evangelicals, that "stayed home" in 2000.
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harmonyguy Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 09:50 PM
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7. Sounds to me like....
....you need to work with some activists who are auditors, in order to join the crusade to figure out the fable of the exit polls.

HG }(
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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:13 PM
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8. We're still trying to nail the direct link between Mitofsky and the "group
We know he is involved with Edison Media Research (of Political Research Associates) whos employer works with members of Moon's Unification church, which runs some Mount Fuji Japanese Restauraunt.

I posted stuff on this here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x291504#293464

Mitofsky is hiding his tracks damn well, in fact better than Bush, rove,feeney, and DAMN well better than all the shady-ass voting/database companies contracted to the government. It is going to be a tought nut to crack, but the link is there...
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KingoftheJungle Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 10:56 PM
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9. HERE is his explanation, (now it makes sense...)
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 10:57 PM by KingoftheJungle
Watch the shift in between the exit poll graph charts, with the pre-weighted going first and after the weighted.

http://f3.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/sB7vQYUzbX-R8HeMfPcvaTZsw7xWU2XwyrWWQ8reN-khxLoheSWYMZsAvfk585Bnr1s5bZdEvCKk1eQTpyxty8419i6Gie7xCz_3eyY/epolls.0.htm



So those are all the pre-weighted polls before any shift. Notice the extra high numbers on the democrat side for certain religions, ie: jewish, christian/other/unitarian. There is an extraordinarily high number if you look at the first set of exit polls here

exitpollz.org

Look also at church attendance and how often they meet for their circles, and the democrat side is awfully high, on the side of republican for things like "Honest Trustworthy" which are not that high. But look at the republican side of protestant/weekly and it seems to be going even higher.

Now after seeing all of those look at the "Weighted" exit polls.

http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/sB7vQTBm_WeR8HeMiO3vj7in9ew3onNHkI9bawkFZp3m7q7xZQSVlpLjqyB-EHoS51a61ElShZNJcltAe_v2eYL_zbDlCUZejR8lwSI/Election%202004%20Exit%20Poll.htm

Everything on the exit polls for the democrat side shows a decrease in religion, a drop in the numbers for the religious affiliation and a drop in jewish, other and church attendance.

Now look carefully at the republican side. It shows a more than 1% shift to "Honest Trustworthy" and the other "Religous Faith" not to mention more than 2% swing towards "Strong Leader"

Now if that wasn't something, look at every single circle under the religious affiliation for the republican side. There is an increase of proportion on all sides and for church attendence. Nowhere has it actually decreased, in the whole format you see it increase by the same amount the democrat side decreased.

And even more strangely, on the final WEIGHTED exit poll numbers is an additional column under "Opinion For Bush" Enthusiastic was added, which apparently increased by more than 40% out of the blue.

The last part which really makes no sense, is NEP's final exit polls.



Here, an additional catergory has been added: Evangelical, and all the numbers on the republican side have increased once again.
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:16 PM
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10. It looks like they manipulated the numbers to fit there fairytale
I could see a little change in percentages but it seems
that this 'new' breakdown of voters is very differently
spread. Can anyone compare this to the original breakdown
chart from the Washington Post? I wonder if anything
else has been manipulated.

What I find unusual is the comment on the addition of the
evangelical representation. When the voters were originally
polled I'd of thought that wasn't asked, but it didn't seem
so since they weren't represented on the last chart. How
does Mitofsky's new poll results explain the reasoning
for this representation.

I'm looking for a reasonable explanation first.
Could they have contacted the voters who participated in the
poll again and asked to clarify if they are evangelical?
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