Ok, who is "Geelove" on cafepress and can I please speak with them

[New Earth]

THIS is bad!!!!!

no no no no no no no no no no :spank:

if i see anyone driving around with this sticker on their car i am going to force them to pull over so i can educate them on the issue and tell them to take it off!!!! :grr: :grr: :grr:


If anyone knows who "geelove" is on cafepress, please ask them to change their sticker, or at least let me know how i can talk to them about it myself. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

here is the page http://www.cafepress.com/cp/browse/Ntt-election+fraud_pp-_N-1332_pv-geelove.14558435_No-1_Ntk-All_D-election+fraud_Nao-1?zoom=yes#zoom

[Zenlitened]

1. Should read "election fraud." Is that what you mean?

:)

[New Earth]

3. YES

LOL!!!!!!! omg it drives me out of my mind :grr: :crazy:

[New Earth]

39. IT'S BEEN CHANGED, USED TO SAY "VOTER FRAUD"

in case anyone is confused.

[DenverDem]

2. Educate us all on the issue, please.

I'm not sure I'm getting your point.

[sepia_steel]

4. The point is

the fraud was not comitted by the voters. Therefore, ELECTION fraud, not VOTER fraud.

[New Earth]

5. please read these threads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=309442


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=306119

[DenverDem]

8. Got it.

It is an important semantic differentiation.

[New Earth]

9. yeah

kinda like what's the difference between the "Democrat" party and the "Democratic" party.

[Fly by night]

6. Or don't. We've heard this from you, Faye, HUNDREDS of times.

We get it already. As for me, I prefer (and am using) the phrase "election theft" instead of "election fraud". They didn't "trick" us out of the election, they stole it from us outright.

[New Earth]

7. obviously some people didn't hear it

someone is asking about it.

sorry, i won't shut up about it. if anyone doesn't like it, don't read my threads.

[electropop]

10. Stand your ground Faye

It matters. Framing MATTERS.

The (newest) one that's bugging me is "privatizing" SS. A little better than "personal accounts", but the best way to say it is "corporatizing Social Security."

[Land Shark]

44. social security framing?

"Reform" equals: risk based strategies for betting the farm. Or risk based strategies for gambling your INSURANCE money. Social security NON-Insurance. Social security for Wall Street, and Risks for Grandma.

[Joe Chi Minh]

46. Social Insecurity?

[Fly by night]

11. Since the person "asking" is a 1,000+ DU poster, maybe they're ...

... pulling your leg. Maybe, from now on, every time I see someone use the phrase "election fraud" on DU or anywhere else in my universe, I need to jump on DU to say that, no, we need to use the phrase "election theft". My motives -- clarity of language -- would be the same as yours, and I could also be as passionate about my point because I think "election fraud" is too timid a phrase and is not what happened -- the election was stolen.

And then despite starting dozens of threads on this same topic over a month, I could continue to start new threads every time someone used the phrase "election fraud" again, anywhere in my universe. Boy, you and I could keep a running battle going on this and while we might clear up the language a bit and be assured that everyone knew where we stood on this issue, we might also chase a few DUers away. That wouldn't be either of our intentions, I would expect.

I know and understand your point, Faye, and I wonder if "DenverDem" does also and was just pulling your leg. In either case, I am reminded of your point everytime I see you post on any topic (because it's your signature line) and I appreciate your point. If you feel you need to keep making it over and over and over and over again, rock and roll. I won't be tempted to respond by trying to get everyone to use the truly correct term (in my mindset) -- "election theft" -- on the DU forum at every opportunity.

I appreciate you, Faye, and just wanted to give you a little friendly feedback. We're all in the same foxhole and I'm not in favor of turning our weapons on each other. Would love to hear back from "DenverDem" in case I confused a genuine desire to hear more on this topic again for gentle sarcasm. Peace.

[New Earth]

12. election theft is fine with me

as long as it doesn't include the word "voter" in the general broad term. that is the main word i'm trying to have removed :hi: :hug:

[Fly by night]

17. Agreed. And agreed. No offense intended.

Now back to pruning the black raspberries and blackberries, and thinking up "Wanted" posters for our election thieves. It's a rare sunny day here in the Orange State and I want to give the keyboard a rest. Take care.

[Amaryllis]

35. Election theft! I like it! I say stolen election a lot.

[glitch]

13. I still like fraWd. It covers all the bushco frauds, not just the election

Someone here at DU thought it up.
But in serious conversations I do use "Election Fraud".

[New Earth]

14. that's cool too

i dont care what anyone calls it, as long it contains the root word ELECT and not the root word VOTE.

The election was stolen, the election was fraudulent, the election was a fraWd, NOT THE GODDAMN VOTERS!


:D

[troubleinwinter]

15. Faye, I think found an email for the person,

but don't want to post someone's email addy. I'll PM ya.

[New Earth]

16. OK cool thanks

man, i have to make sure i am nice about it don't i :think:

it kinda sucks they seem to already have the stickers in print. but i'll feel like i'm at least doing my own part by talking to them about it.

[electropop]

18. Cafepress prints one at a time

no loss of inventory involved.

[New Earth]

19. Here's what i wrote them

let's see if they write back:

(Subject line: your page on cafepress - Re: Voter fraud)

Hi - I saw your sticker that says "voter fraud is not a mandate. george bush is not my president."

I am sure you are educated on the issues of what happened this past election. I am not sure if you read or participate on the forums on Democratic Underground, but my name on there is Faye (that is my real name by the way).

I am writing you because I, along with many others who involved in fighting election fraud, are trying to get everyone else concerned with it to start using the correct general broad term - ELECTION FRAUD, as opposed to 'voter fraud'. While there are a small number of cases where the voter actually committed the fraud, using it as the BROAD, GENERAL term can be very misleading to those who are not aware of the issue but may take an interest if approched properly. The ELECTION was fraudulent, not the voters.

Anyway, I have a few threads posted on DU forums that I am asking you to read - and to reconsider the use of 'voter fraud' on your bumper sticker on cafepress. Of course I do not excpect you to listen to little old me, but please at least consider what I am saying to you. Please use ELECTION FRAUD as opposed to 'voter fraud'. Here are links to the threads i'd like you to see:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=306119

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=309442


I hope you are not offended by this, I have good intentions. Please read the threads above and get back to me with your opinion.

And hey, if you change your bumper sticker to say "election fraud", I vow to buy at least two and encourage others to buy it as well.

Hope to hear back from you soon :)

Faye
New Jersey

[Andy_Stephenson]

20. Watchout...Faye is on a rampage...

ducks for cover

[crispini]

21. Faye, in your honor,

all of my posts will hereby refer to voter election fraud. Just like that. :evilgrin: Mwahahahahaha.

[New Earth]

22. lol

hahaha ok :crazy:

[New Earth]

23. YAYYY I GOT A REPLY

**********@yahoo.com to me
Show options 2:54pm (0 minutes ago)

Thanks Faye,

Good point. When I designed the stickers and shirts, I
thought the phrase sounded wrong too, but I looked it
up in various places and found that it was essentially
correct. But I do like your version better. I will
change my files as soon as I get a chance and let you
know.

Not offended at all, thanks for letting me know.

*****


Once it is changed, i'm going to buy one or two and ask others to buy some as well. it really is a great sticker once that phrase is changed.

it not only says we won't tolerate election fraud, but that * is NOT our president.

[marions ghost]

24. good feedback to designer...

who recognised that words may be essentially correct usage, but still confusing. And THAT'S what matters when you're talking about slogans and messages--they need to be crystal clear (unless TRYING to be cryptic or ambiguous, which this is not). I have recently been flummoxed by the interplay of the terms "vote fraud" and voter fraud" --by a writer who meant well (background of this not important), who used "vote fraud" when they DID mean "voter fraud." Threw the whole article off.
Faye is right about this. "Framing Matters," as was said above.

[New Earth]

26. exactly

and i'm not even saying vote fraud or voter fraud is "wrong" or "doesn't exist" and shouldn't be used when referring to the individual issue, it's just not the proper term that covers the broad scheme and including the root word "vote" can be misinterpreted.

[crispini]

25. Good for you!

You handled that well. :thumbsup:

[davidgmills]

27. Election fraud is not sufficient

Computer generated self-coup

[New Earth]

28. haha

it's too long and it won't keep people's attention.

[davidgmills]

30. Perhaps

But election fraud won't either.

There has to be a concept that will get people's attention.

I'm not thrilled with the word coup which is why I went to Wikipedia. The term for what Bush did is self-coup. But that is a mouthful and not readily understandable.

Fraud is a legal concept that people think should be resoved in court. It suggests that the courts can provide a remedy for this. They can't.

We need a concept that is extra-legal.

[Amaryllis]

36. compluter generated election theft?

[davidgmills]

40. Computer generated election coup?

After reading Wikipedia again, in the discussion section regarding the word coup, someone made the comment that coup does not refer to consolidation of power via the election process.

Maybe it is time that it should.

Maybe we need to coin a new term -- election coup -- to indicate that it can.

Ideas anyone?

I just don't like the word fraud or theft because they have legal conotations; they sound like problems for which it is the province of the courts to handle. I like a term that sounds beyond what the legal process can cope with.

[Amaryllis]

41. We know what a coup is, but what about the...shall we say , watchers

of Faux, the brainwashed, the uneducated, they will get theft, but many won't understand coup.

[davidgmills]

43. Are they that dumb?

If we say theft, they will just say prove it, as in prove it in court.

[Amaryllis]

45. I think there are many who would not understand coup. I hang out with

educated people, and get insulated. However, as a teacher I have scored tens of thousands of statewide writing assessments from school districts all over the country. It was shocking to me to discover the level of...shall we say lack of critical thinking skills? in much of the population.

[Fly by night]

31. Election theft

Good night, Faye. Sweet dreams of the smirking chimp finding enough rope to hang himself. No matter where he goes, there he is. And it doesn't matter how many people they lock out of Duh-bya's "public events", the truth is still waiting for him, outside in the dark. And it looks and sounds a lot like us.

Election theft: it should be a hangable offense. As in "hang him out to dry, in the hot Crawford sun".

[bear425]

29. Good job Faye! I like a woman who stands by her convictions. n/t

[New Earth]

32. WOOHOO SHE CHANGED IT

http://www.cafepress.com/geelove.14558435?zoom=yes#zoom


TIME TO BUY SOME!! this is a great sticker, everyone should buy one!!!!! hehehehe i love it now.

[grace0418]

33. I'm geelove on CafePress

Boy I had no idea I was being publicly spanked on DU. Hope this makes things better. Ouch!

[New Earth]

34. LOL

hey i just bought one. please don't take it personally. that's me up there (who you have been talking to through emails).

i grill this into people's heads all day on here..i even have it embedded in my sig :o

no more spanks for you :hug:

if you want i can ask to have it locked so it drops.

[Amaryllis]

37. Nan, don't have it locked. It's got good stuff and it's fun. BUT what you

could do is put a post up at the top in caps that says it got changed or something; I found it after it got changed and kept trying to figure out what your problem was (HUH? it says election fraud; what is she talking
about? What am I missing here???) and finally after reading down the posts I figured out it had been changed.

[New Earth]

38. that's a good idea

but i mean seriously. do you guys really want another thread with me going off about this :P


haha ok - i see what you mean i think. i just posted in CAPS at the top of this thread that it used to say "voter fraud".

[Amaryllis]

42. Thank you!

[grace0418]

47. No need to lock it, it's all good.

My cheeks are healing nicely. ;)

Besides, hopefully this will inspire some of you to purchase some items. There are shirts with the election fraud message as well!

I was able to make a nice donation to DU with some of the proceeds so it's for a good cause! The link is in my signature line...