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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:16 PM
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Contrary to popular belief, and just as with 911, Bu$h is totally in ....
Edited on Sun May-15-05 08:04 PM by understandinglife
.... control.

The plane wasn't shot down because Bu$h (and some small number of folk) knew who was flying it.

They are not lying in their various responses to "When was Bu$h told? Why wait to tell him? ...." because they precisely planned to have those be the questions that got asked.

And, it worked.

A few reporters and a variety of folk in blogoland are all in a dither over "How can you let the guy ride his bike and not tell him?" and umpteen other versions of that question.

And, you've got all the utterly predictable focus on 'Cheney's the real-deal' and 'Bu$h is the puppet' in those blogoland enclaves that don't matter a twit to Bu$h, Cheney, Rove and the other neoconsters.

Because, that is exactly what they want.

Imagine if the response had been "Bu$h was told within 1 min of detecting the plane in restricted airspace or vectored toward restricted airspace."

Imagine all the questions, then.

Questions like "Well, just how long was he going to wait before giving the order to vaporize the plane?"

The answers to those questions are more complex because they would have required an explanation of priorities and process that: 1. they would not want to reveal; and, 2. are not relevant to what the event was meant to achieve.

The event was meant to achieve - terror. Exquisitely focused terror.

The event was 'terror theater' and the primary audience was quite restricted. The DC police chief was not even informed until after the event. The event's impact was coherently focused on two groups: 1. the White House Press corps; 2. The US Congress.

Those folk were terrified.

The answers to all the questions that got asked are most likely all truthful.

The problem is what should have happened didn't and that was intentional. The President should have been told immediately and the questions should have been about what his reactions, decisions were.

Only one real explanation for that and that is the explanation being speculatively offered here.

The director and producer of Terror Theater II is so skillful that by making himself appear the fool he has, once again, insulated himself behind a wonderful smoke-screen of the reality of what happened -- the reality that HE, BU$H, ALREADY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

Otherwise, that plane would have been vaporized -- i.e., if key folk hadn't known and hadn't had a hold on the shoot-down until sufficient 'terror theater' had been enacted.

Doubt me on that.

Well, let's put it this way. YOU are President of the USA and you are told an aircraft fully capable of carrying a dirty bomb or some other significant payload is vectored toward the WH (where your wife is present) or the US Capital. And, just for a bit more context, you are not only at war, but you've spent ~ 3 years pissing off a bunch of folk. What would you do?

Still not convinced.

OK. Let's expand the context.

You are President of the USA and you've been told a commercial airliner has crashed into one of the major economic icons of the world and 1000s of lives have been endangered.

Would you:

1. Keep your appointment at a school and sit in a classroom and listen to some child read to you?

2. Would you be wheels-up in AF1 asap doing all the stuff you'd expect a President to be doing?

Let's say, per chance, that you are the 1 in ~ 6 billion folk on the planet who'd select # 1.

Then, would you remain seated listening to a child read as you are told a second commercial aircraft has crashed into yet another ....?

Get my drift, here.

As some of you know from my extensive postings on various topics, I do not accept the Bu$h is dumb, puppet, out of the loop, not in control, ..........., because the scale of his arrogance is such that no one would survive for a second acting that way toward him. NO ONE.

It is BU$H's neoconster regime. Everyone works for him. Even his old man and cronies have not been able to restrict his unflenching drive to become king of the planet.

KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

I suspect he sat and watched as folk were freaking and running out of the WH and out of the Capitol. (By the way, those folk would have been much safer going to the basement even though it was a perfectly clear blue-sky day in DC (oh, and also, by the way, flight instructors usually are not challenged as to flight plan and location, even on rainy days)).

I'm posting this little diddy here in 2004ERD because it is the DU forum that has been exceptionally focused, since the wee hours of 3 Nov 2004, on the non-reality that almost everyone accepted (and, unfortunately, many still do) that Bu$h 'won.'

What Bu$h and his neoconster, fristian-valued, gang of war criminals have every right to win are at least 5 Academy Awards: Best Screenplay for the "Election of 2000"; "Terror Theater 911"; "Mushroom cloud, no; Oil, yes"; "Election of 2004"; and, just when it couldn't be released with better timing "The little plane that could: Terror Theater II."

Think about it.

Just my humble speculation.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us



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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:21 PM
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1. Hey, didn't the Soviets start a fire at a US embassy to plant bugs?
I could've sworn that I saw something about that. This could be similar.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:50 PM
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3. "most massive, sophisticated and skillfully executed bugging operation ..
... in history."

Some interesting observations about the "The Great Transmitter," as the US embassy was fondly called, ;) can be found here:

http://moscowmarines.ambassadors-in-blue.net/news.htm

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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:27 PM
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10. i beleive that rove did this in texas a few years back
to jim hightower. i don't know what the pretext for getting into hightower's office was but you can't convince me that rove wasn't responsible.

while i'm on the subject, i give him credit for the bogus intel given to dan rather as well.

the man is a machiavelli and definitely will not be called up in the rapture.

ellen fl
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:46 PM
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19. Definietly
Edited on Sun May-15-05 09:47 PM by FreedomAngel82
Greg Palast did an investigation on this story with Rather. They didn't have control on CBS like they did Fox and the other organization's. So they had to do something. Mapes probably knew the story was true and knows her Bush family 101 history and Rather as well since he's been following these people for a long time as well. He knew enough to run with the story. Then all these people came out questioning the memo and Rove caught them. There was a big stink about this so obviously CBS had to do something and they had to suck up to Bush and his people in order to not lose their jobs and business so they became shrills. According to Greg Palast they had to get rid of Mapes because she would be the only one who would cover the election fraud and they couldn't have that. I bet they'd also talk about this memo.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:04 AM
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33. Nancy Pelosi was apparently picked up and carried out w/o her shoes.
Doesn't exactly make you feel our side is in control.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 07:23 PM
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48. actaully the bugs were in the plaster mix when they plastered the walls
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:24 PM
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2. Agreed. And nominated.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:50 PM
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4. Wow! I totally see your point. He is not the fool. He is making fools of
Edited on Sun May-15-05 07:53 PM by BrklynLiberal
all of us.

It makes him so much more loathsome.
He is not just stupid. He is pure, unadulterated, unapologetic evil. A true bad seed...the true evil offspring of his ill-conceived parentage
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:00 PM
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5. Only if we let him. I will not. He is, in_deed, evil. And, the only way ..
Edited on Sun May-15-05 08:01 PM by understandinglife
.... to deal with evil is to expose it and never allow it to escape the rigorous application of the full force of the law.

Violence feeds evil.

Peaceful, unrelenting exposure and application of the law is what will stop Bu$h and his neoconster buddies; just as it stopped Nixon.

But, we need to be much more alert and proactive than we have been since Nixon was removed from office (and many of his associates were successfully prosecuted).

And, this time, Bu$h must be indicted and prosecuted, not pardoned.
And, if they are convicted, it must be jail time for Bu$h, jail time for Cheney, jail time for Condi, jail time for Gonzales, ...... -- long, long jail time.

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:42 PM
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17. And reparations. Don't forget reparations.
I want all the loot they've stolen back. We can't make up for the lives lost and the precious resources squandered, but we can get them where it hurts them the most.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:48 PM
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20. Damn straight
They're doing all they are now for money. Oil is for money and business. If we get them back with money it'd get them really good. That's all that is important to them and what their empires are on.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:02 PM
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6. KICK/Rec. You came to the right place! Thankyou. GREAT POST!
Information multiplies here.

Can you check the link. It doesn't work for me.

:kick::kick:Recommended
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:13 PM
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7. Linked repaired. Thanks for the heads-up! And, I hope this ...
.... is as provocative as it is meant to be.

I think we've given Bu$h an enormous 'free pass' by positing him as the fool; a boozer who can't stay on his bicycle; a .... .

The guy stomps around Russia and points east, hogs press conferences, gives Putin no slack, .... . Please.

We've got ourselves a major league war criminal, arrogant, maniac who shoves past Clinton at Clinton's library celebration and turns to Kerry in debate 1 and says 'surprised you showed up' (or something to that effect).

Nope. The dope ain't Bu$h.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:42 PM
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12. Debate 1
I think * said, "Good job." to either Kerry or Jim Lehrer right after the debate. Do you know which? (If it was Kerry, it has Skull & Bones written all over it!)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:07 PM
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14. Don't know. Maybe someone here, will. (nt)

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:49 PM
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21. On debate one
did Bush really say that? Interesting. I didn't notice that.
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 12:25 AM
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31. I taped the debate and will watch again. n/t
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:24 PM
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8. I was thinking
the plane trick was to put the sheeple in to a deeper sleep,with election fraud story simmering and the Blair memo out. Got to make sure them sheeple people are thinkin "terra".

Yours is a much better explanation. Keep pushing
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:51 PM
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22. That could go too
I could see that happening. They did this for some reason. The key is figuring out what. Anybody know what's going on in Congress that could make them do this?
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 12:39 AM
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32. Just a guess
in Michael Moores movie the big question was, why didn't * spring in to action when he was notified that a plane hit the first tower,why did he sit in that classroom for seven minutes or so,when they knew there were five hijacked planes in the air,I don't remember all the specifics.

My question (and I'm sure its been asked somewhere by now)is why they weren't hustling * to a secured location if they knew there were five hijacked planes still in the air?

One of them planes could have been on its way to Florida.For all they knew.

Maybe its a cover up for the second question. So we think they don't hustle the president off to secured location for every threat. Just a thought.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:24 PM
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9. my first thought was that it was planned but then
that was my first thought on 9/11 too.

ellen fl
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:35 PM
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11. A brilliant post. They got the questions they wanted, in the context
they wanted them.

I'd just offer, as an alternative, the idea that the * is a host who is inhabited by the political brain of the parasite Rove, and that this monster has become symbiotic with the neocon military-industrial consortium embodied by the Rumsfeld-Cheney axis.

This symbiotic relationship results in a single unified biotic system that possesses "intelligence" far beyond what is to be found between *'s ears. This biotic system has proceeded with parasitizing the body of our democracy, to the point where it was able to direct the resources of America into a fever-dream of a war, depite America's own best interests.

All intelligence and political strategy mentioned by understandinglife can be imputed to this unholy parasite, without the need to give * all the credit.

Thanks, UL, for some great analysis, and food for thought.


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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:43 PM
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18. "...despite America's own best interests."--and the clear will of the...
...majority of Americans.

Here are a couple of things I will never forget:

--that nearly 60% of Americans opposed the Iraq war right up to the invasion--opposed it outright or wanted the matter decided by the United Nations--a number that dipped briefly during the invasion itself, obviously out of concern for US troops in battle, then went right back up to nearly 60%, where it stands today

--that 125 Congress members and Senators voted against the Iraq war resolution--124 more than voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution 40 years ago (progress!)

--that over 60% of Americans oppose torture UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES (poll May. '04, yet have now had Alberto Gonzales shoved down their throats)--I think this is an amazing statistic ("under any circumstances"! --that's the America I know and love!)
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Polls/torture_poll_040527.html

--that Tim Robbins was the first Hollywood star to speak out against the war, and took hell for it, and fought back, and that it was the U.S. sports writers who came to his defense

--that, just prior to the election, in a very Republican retirement complex in San Diego, all these older, well-to-do conservatives opposed Bush and the general opinion was that "Bush is nuts" (reported by a friend)

--that the American people saw through all the B.S., despite being subjected to unrelenting propaganda by the lapdog news monopolies, and voted the Bush Cartel out

--that the Bush regime failed to protect the airspace over our nation's capitol and over the Pentagon on 9/11, although they had almost an hour's notice to take action, one of the most incredible acts of dereliction of duty, or treason, our country has ever suffered--and that the news monopolies couldn't give a crap about that...

This list could get pretty long, of my personal unforgettables, and I suppose everybody could make their own list. Mine tends to focus on evidence that my fellow Americans are neither stupid nor callous, but rather are quite generous, tolerant, altruistic, justice-loving people whose will is being systematically and criminally thwarted in order to prevent an American revolt against global piracy, arms dealing and war.

Of course, we have people who are greedy, callous, stupid, extremely misinformed or nuts (or all of these). They are being pushed forward by the likes of Karl Rove and Dick Cheney as representative of America. They are not. They are a minority that has been invested with power--and media attention by the lapdog press--way out of proportion to their numbers, by fraudulent elections going back at least to 2000. The corporate rulers would like us to forget facts those listed above. I will not forget.







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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 10:09 PM
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26. I strain on tiptoes to catch the view you've related so well in this post.
Just to remember what actually happened.

What they failed to do.

What the American people continued to succeed at, through all the historically-unprecedented orchestrated manipulation of the channels of information.

It makes me think that even though I believe that the will of the people will triumph, without subjugation of the minority opinion, I might still be correct.


:)


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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:59 PM
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30. All correct. And, as bleever notes, all good reason to think We The ...
... People can prevail.

But, we will not prevail if we fail to call Bu$h what he is and realize what a ruthless, arrogant, and exceptionally talented liar, manipulator he is.

As others have noted, he truly gloated and taunted a person on their way to being executed.

With all the smarts that Cheney may have, with all the skill Rove may have, they are not pulling the strings of a dope, a puppet.

Bu$h allowed himself to be photo'd sitting with those children reading to him. He sat there. He allowed himself to be filmed sitting there. He did nothing to stop whomever it was from filming him. He knew what had already happened. He knew what he was being told by Card was happening. He was, as arrogantly as possible, telling certain folk - yeap, that is what I can let happen and now watch me spin it whatever way I want. And, then he allowed all those Saudis to skedaddle. See it for the evil that it is, everyone.

He allowed the WH press folk and the entire membership of the US Congress to be terrorized and he put his tongue as far into his cheek as he possibly could and allowed the story to be that it was not an important enough of event to have his bike ride be interrupted. See it for the evil that it is, everyone.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

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starmaker Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:00 PM
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13. why the fighters
escorted the plane over the vp residence and cia headquarters
doesn't exactly seem by the book
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:25 PM
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15. I sort of disagree and agree...
I think the plane was supposed to complete its mission, but did not for some reason. The press had to be inside (as you can tell, they were mostly kept) so that some could be lost to the terror along with Mrs. Reagen, whom the Bush clan hates, but who is beloved on the right. Imagine the tragedy? And who would suspect Bush for a pox on his own house? It was a failed hit... they may have done another mirage vs. missle crap or they may have actually siezed control of the plane without the pilots knowing. Or, it could have been a drone... either way, it was meant to do something it did not do...

1). The scripts not so much made Bush seem foolish, but made the administration seem not to give a rats ass... which is not the same perception...

2). The press reacted very badly by actually screaming non-stop at Scottie "we are not important enough?" and that looks bad in that it implies/shows that no one cared...

3). It also shows the President not as a fool but as someone who is out instead of at work, once again, never learning from mistakes. It did not succeed in creating the terror that you say, because once the people got back they were all very pissed off and the rest of the country did not even blink.

No, it was a failed hit... why it failed is another question.

The other theory is that it was done to evacuate the city for a much needed reason...stealing documents, who knows.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:42 PM
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16. You make a lot of sense
I agree with your post. I definietly think they were targeting Congress and the press. Why? The smoking gun memo? Or something else? I think they did this to send a message to people that they were still in charge. For all we knew at the time the country could've been under attack. They were about to start a press briefing and then they get told to evacuate. And it was very strange how they let Bush continue to ride his bike in Maryland and not even take him anywhere to safety. If this was an attack they surely would've. Definietly knew the people flying this plane. Is there any information out about the pilots? I don't buy the "lost" bullshit.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:53 PM
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23. Reminded me of the recent Twilight Zone episode.
Edited on Sun May-15-05 09:55 PM by Carolab
People thought the "newbies" in their suburban development were terrorists because there was an explosion at a neighborhood association meeting and all lost power except for the newbies. The newbies refused to come to the door and talk to the neighbors. Finally, one of the neighbors, who was the "calm and rational" (and liberal) guy went in and talked to them. He reported the newbies were as puzzled as the rest of them as to what had happened and didn't know why they had power and no one else did. There was a bully neighbor who decided the nice neighbor was full of shit and took matters in his own hands and broke a window and threw in gas followed by a torch, setting the house on fire. As the neighbors went into a frenzy trashing the burning house and rioting outside, the camera shifts to a van across the street. Two government agents are inside monitoring the whole thing. Turns out it was an "experiment" to see how such a group of ordinary citizens would react in the event of a perceived terror threat.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:53 PM
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24. The low cunning of a ruthless street thug, would you turn your back on him
calling him a moron preps for his defense at trial. Ignorance is no defense, it won't get him off but it might get his sentence reduced.

This is why I can't stand it when Molly Ivins calls him good-hearted but dim, "bless his heart". I realize it's a polite Texan way of discrediting him gently, but it makes me want to hurl. There is no way someone with a good heart mocks a death row inmate right before execution, and calling him good-hearted mocks those who truly are.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:47 AM
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41. "Ignorance is no defense....might get his sentence reduced."!!
Neat post. And, turning your back on Bu$h would be the very last thing you would ever want to do, because this guy is more than happy to stare into the face of other ruthless thugs, like Putin, and do the 'dare ya' thing.

We've got ourselves as brutal a thug as has ever existed and he gets to play with a nearly half-trillion dollar defense budget. Long past time to be indicting and prosecuting the guy and his neoconster gang.

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 10:04 PM
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25. All this "Terror" while specualtion about "the DS,memo" is
totally buried.
Strange how that Alqaeda "big wheel" was caught this week, too!
Just after Tom Ridge spoke out about the "Terror alerts" during the election campaigns.
When are "they" going to hit us again, do you think?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:40 PM
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28. I expect with Krugman, see post #27, bringing attention to the lack....
Edited on Sun May-15-05 11:40 PM by understandinglife
.... of attention being given by the corporate media to 'the memo' and coupling it with the need for us to deliver a clear 'exit strategy message' to both Iraq and the world, they'll need to work harder -- maybe they should have zapped that little plane.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:26 PM
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27. "So it's important to understand how the tough guys made America weak."
May 16, 2005
Staying What Course?
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Is there any point, now that November's election is behind us, in revisiting the history of the Iraq war? Yes: any path out of the quagmire will be blocked by people who call their opponents weak on national security, and portray themselves as tough guys who will keep America safe. So it's important to understand how the tough guys made America weak. There has been notably little U.S. coverage of the "Downing Street memo" - actually the minutes of a British prime minister's meeting on July 23, 2002, .....

<snip>

In effect, America has been taken hostage. Nobody wants to take responsibility for the terrible scenes that will surely unfold if we leave (even though terrible scenes are unfolding while we're there). Nobody wants to tell the grieving parents of American soldiers that their children died in vain. And nobody wants to be accused, by an administration always ready to impugn other people's patriotism, of stabbing the troops in the back.

But the American military isn't just bogged down in Iraq; it's deteriorating under the strain. We may already be in real danger: what threats, exactly, can we make against the North Koreans? That John Bolton will yell at them? And every year that the war goes on, our military gets weaker.

So we need to get beyond the clichés - please, no more "pottery barn principles" or "staying the course." I'm not advocating an immediate pullout, but we have to tell the Iraqi government that our stay is time-limited, and that it has to find a way to take care of itself. The point is that something has to give. We either need a much bigger army - which means a draft - or we need to find a way out of Iraq.

(more at the link):
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/16/opinion/16krugman.html?hp


Make it stick, everyone. Because it seems that at least Krugman has not been distracted from the reality that "There has been notably little U.S. coverage of the "Downing Street memo" - actually the minutes of a British prime minister's meeting on July 23, 2002, ....."


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:42 PM
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29. I just hope it makes the press rethink their shepple stance!
Did they enjoy being locked in the shearing bins, ready to be sacraficed by the evil ones?

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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:07 AM
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34. Why the hell did they not send those people to the basement?
What could that little plane possibly have done or dropped that would have been more dangerous to people in the Capitol basement than to people running out on the streets of D.C.?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:29 AM
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37. Indeed, in almost all scenarios those folk would have been much ...
.... safer in their offices or in the basement, rather than scattering into the DC streets. But, of course, the 'terror theater' photo-ops would have been much less dramatic and numerous.

Peace.


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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 07:01 AM
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35. I am trying to absorb what you are saying
I have spent too long believing that bu$h is an idiot, it will take some time for me to accept that he is not. Let's assume you are right, what more can we do to convince the masses that most are being played? *We* all study the evidence, we all discuss the ignorance of the masses, and we all take what we have to Senators, Congress, media, every source we can think of and still nothing. Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined Jim Lampley be the one, lone media person to actually question anything and take a stand. Does this say anything to us? Does this point to the idea we must find alternatives to get the message out there. Surely there is but one of those reporters that is willing to look at the points you have made, along with TIA's numbers evidence and start to ask WTF is going on here?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:40 AM
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39. "Surely there is but one of those reporters ...
.... that is willing to look at the points you have made, along with TIA's numbers evidence and start to ask WTF is going on here?

That is what we must make happen, and, it appears a few 'journalists' are beginning to do their job.

Here's an email I sent yesterday to Michael Getler, the WP ombudsman due to the following item he published:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/14/AR2005051400705.html

Good evening Michael,

Just want to acknowledge you because you are one of the very few corporate media journalist actually doing their job and reporting on the significant revelations of the leaked, classified "Blair-Bush" July 2002 memo.

Those words, covered exhaustively in a variety of blogs within hours of the release of the memo, "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy," have such obvious implications that it should not be much of a challenge to bring all the investigative journalistic scrutiny they deserve -- to the service of our Constitution, our fellow citizens who are dying needlessly in an illegal war, and to the countless number of innocent Iraqi's who suffer ever more because of America's illegal occupation of their sovereign nation.

Much more work to do.

Hope you win a Pulitzer, or two, for exposing to the masses what some of us already know.

It already is a story that should be covered not on page A18 or B06 of the WP, but on the front page, with aggressive, regular follow-up. Why don't you start tomorrow with a bold-faced headline: "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

All the best,
xxxxxxxxx


I don't mind thanking those few members of the corporate media who at least try to do their job. Michael begins by whining, but he makes a few reasonable points and should be encouraged to dig deeper.

I do think, and I'm as guilty of it as the next person, that we've given Bu$h a skate with the "he's a doofus" caricature. The guy is as calculating in his evil as any person who has ever walked the planet. No more skate, unless its on a path to The Hague.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 12:45 PM
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42. It occurs to me after reading LaLaRaw
perhaps my questions of bu$shes intelligence is not the only thing I have been COMPLETELY wrong about... perhaps the *media* are afraid of going down the same way Newsweek's reporter is going to face the same fate as Rather. After reading several of the sources posted, I think we are being dealt yet another bait and switch scheme(scam). Every time we try to shed some light on an issue, Downing Street Memo, they counter with something else. After thinking seriously about the context of your original post, I believe the issue you are addressing is bait and switch. I think we are also facing that with the take down of the reporter for Newsweek. The fact that there were other sources and articles about the very thing in the Periscope is being ignored. This has the rove reek to it.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 12:55 PM
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43. "This has the rove reek to it. " Agreed. However, I am attempting ...
Edited on Mon May-16-05 12:55 PM by understandinglife
... to shine the light on the master cockroach, and the master cockroach is BU$H.

Not Rove.

Not Cheney.

Not anybody but BU$H.

My retort to the "White House demands retraction on Newsweek article" would be to demand that BU$H meet with the Press and respond to the contents of the 23 July 2002 British memo.

Don't take their bate and stop allowing anyone other than BU$H to respond. Demand access to BU$H.

Highlight the fact, daily, in newspapers and TV that BU$H is not available to answer numerous critical questions, from 9/11 to Iraq to just what was he doing while folk were running down the steps of the US Capitol.

Laser focus the light on the master cockroach, BU$H.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us



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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:44 AM
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36. a confluence of sociopaths
Bush found his soulmate in Rove.

More sociopaths and plain old greedy lackeys flitter their way to the lair...yeee it sounds like a 1940's horror flick.

I'm glad this thread got on the greatest page; I wouldn't have noticed it otherwise.

Thankyou.

Keep demanding change, and push for media reform. Support our reps, and again, media reform--shine the light on the vampires.

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Chi Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:30 AM
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38. Too tough to predict Dem tactics without inside information
Great post understandinglife

It's been too long that Rove has had to play chess without having inside information from Dem computer files, on how they were gonna block Bush's nominations.

Just when it's getting tough again, presto, a possible rouse for an information gathering operation.
Wonder how many other peeps on the hill got lifted out of their shoes.
Wonder if anyone was guarding the hen house as all the Reps went fleeing.

Just as the 'nuclear option' comes to a head, the little plane that could clears the way for a classic Rovian intelligence operation.

If I were Pelosi, make that any Dem on the Hill, I'd be bringing in a computer expert to check for log entries of inappropriate access, and possible new back doors through security.

Might as well check for bugs while your at it.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:42 AM
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40. Most Definitely! Thank you. (nt)
www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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1956 Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:31 PM
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46. I couldn't agree more
You really put it all together nicely. What a horrible nightmare we have in the Shrub! I'm not too religious really, but God, help us, what can we do to nail this BASTARD? I'm beginning to believe he is the real ANTICHRIST!!!! Or maybe just an insane rethuglican!!??
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:22 PM
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44. "End the Occupation" -- Check this:
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:02 PM
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45. Words fail me
n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 07:00 PM
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47. "Newsweek Got Gitmo Right"
Newsweek Got Gitmo Right

by Calgacus

Contrary to White House spin, the allegations of religious desecration at Guantanamo published by Newsweek on May 9, 2005, are common among ex-prisoners and have been widely reported outside the United States. Several former detainees at the Guantanamo and Bagram prisons have reported instances of their handlers sitting or standing on the Koran, throwing or kicking it in toilets, and urinating on it. Prior to the Newsweek article, the New York Times reported a Guantanamo insider asserting that the commander of the facility was compelled by prisoner protests to address the problem and issue an apology.

One such incident (during which the Koran was allegedly thrown in a pile and stepped on) prompted a hunger strike among Guantanamo detainees in March 2002. Regarding this, the New York Times in a May 1, 2005, article interviewed a former detainee, Nasser Nijer Naser al-Mutairi, who said the protest ended with a senior officer delivering an apology to the entire camp. And the Times reports: "A former interrogator at Guantanamo, in an interview with the Times, confirmed the accounts of the hunger strikes, including the public expression of regret over the treatment of the Korans." (Neil A. Lewis and Eric Schmitt, "Inquiry Finds Abuses at Guantanamo Bay," New York Times, May 1, 2005.)

(more at link):

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=5959


Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 07:26 PM
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49. understandinglife--== I agree---TeRRoR--nice piece
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:58 PM
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50. "Apology, why? Why would BU$H ever apologize?"
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:58 PM
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51. Please also check UPDATE & LINKS re Griffn's evidence re 9/11 complicity
Edited on Mon May-16-05 10:00 PM by Nothing Without Hope
of the Bush administration. Who was REALLY behind the 9/11 attacks and why? Complete video and audio of David Ray Griffin's historic Madison WI lecture, a 60-min Pacifica radio interview with him on this subject (bringing more info out) and much more. He is an emeritus professor and theologian from Claremont College - Griffin is most convincing and needs to be heard. The links in this thread are not to be missed and should be shared as widely as possible:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x39690
Thread title: David Ray Griffin evidence Bush admin complicit in 9/11 - update & link

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:11 AM
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52. Galloway: "This war was based on a pack of lies."


British lawmaker: GOP 'lynch mob' after me
Galloway says he'll challenge U.S. senators at Iraq hearing


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7883488

Indictment time getting closer and closer for BU$H and his neoconster fellow war criminals.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us



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