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juslikagrzly Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:05 PM
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any media coverage in other countries of voting irregularities??
anyone know of any outside the U.S. MSM coverage of our lovely election?
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Hydr0matic Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:19 PM
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1. Not in sweden anyway.
I've been trying to get Aftonbladet to cover it but no response yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if they covered it soon though, Sweden's like 80% pro-Kerry and a lot of documentaries about the US media and Bush mafia were broadcast before and up to election day.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:58 PM
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5. Please post an e-mail addy
Phone # and editor or reporter name so the Amis can help pump up the volume in the cyber postbox. Thanx! :hi:
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Hydr0matic Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:10 PM
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8. here ya go
Aftonbladet tip contact

ettan@aftonbladet.se

+46 (0)8 - 411 11 11
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illuminaughty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:15 AM
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19. Hello and thanks
I sent them this:

Dear Sir,
On Nov. 3rd our country witnessed an election that was stolen, and we are talking on a massive scale. We have been told through certain sources that our media has been ordered to black out this story. We have only a few small voices speaking out on mainstream media.
We are now contacting not only our various media en masse here in the U.S. but also foreign contacts to bring pressure to out this story. We do not have to tell our European friends how important this story is because you are aware that this superpower is out of control. Most people here live in a bubble and are ignorant of U.S. foreign policy, this is the problem with a nation that is large, isolated, and intellectually lazy. But there are a massive majority of us that do keep informed and feel virtually helpless under the boot of the current administration.
If you are unaware of the details of the voter fraud please refer to blackboxvoting.org or commondreams.com.
There is evidence that estimates we may have as many as 32 million votes missing. That is just one statistic in the midst of thousands of complaints state to state.
And since Ron Susskind's article about the President came out a couple of weeks ago, we are aware that our President did not know that Sweden had an army. We do know that since then he has learned that it is Switzerland that is neutral but this is not very comforting. This would be extremely amusing with the exception that this administration has an agressive agenda that involves everyone on the planet. We ask for your help not simply for ourselves, but to stop the war that we did not want and the future wars that are certain to come.
I did not live in the WWII era but my parents did. This must be what it felt like in the early days of fascism, but we are fighting this and will not be silenced by our corporate media.
Thank you.
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Hydr0matic Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:12 AM
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21. perfect :) /nt
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illuminaughty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:03 AM
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23. Thanks! n/t
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:24 PM
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11. Hi Hydr0matic!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Hydr0matic Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:12 AM
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22. thanks ! :) /nt
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Meme Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:31 PM
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2. it was here
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 02:45 PM by Meme
in Holland in a dutch paper. but now that things are kinda messed up here in Holland with maybe terrorists and stuff, most (let´s say all) of the media attention is on that.

The article doesnt say much though. Just that Bush got way too many votes in Ohio, because of a computer mistake. Maybe it was in other newspapers as well, or on the news, but this was the only thing I saw about "mistakes" in the election.

But what´s going on there in the US? Is there a lot of media attention about voting irregularities? Are they working on it? Is it possible that bush will be kicked out of the white house? (that would be so great!!!) We get like.. no information at all here in Holland, and Im dying to know what´s happening
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methinks2 Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:47 PM
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3. not likely that anything will be done
The media in this country is owned by buddies of Bush. Plus,:wtf: Kerry conceded before all the provisional and absentee votes were counted.
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Meme Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:59 PM
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6. but...
there are a lot of positive messages on this site saying that people will fight for every vote and for the democracy, so I really thought there would be a lot of attention for the voter irregularities by now... so.. this kinda sucks ;) but even with all the proof being collected about fraud and voter irregularities there´s no hope that something will happen? :( half of the US is anti-bush right... so there must be some media willing to give some attention

*I am still hoping.. can´t help it* :s
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:59 PM
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7. Please note post #5
Es haat aal immer vigger jon! :hi:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:25 PM
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12. Hi Meme!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Meme Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:43 AM
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15. Hi
and Thank you ^_^ glad to be here :D
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:48 PM
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4. I sent Will Pitt's article to over 20 Canadian newspapers.
About two days ago. I am crossing my fingers.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:16 PM
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9. There was an article in a Russian Paper (Pravda).
It was posted yesterday.
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:49 AM
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16. There was one I read in Aljazeera today n/t
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Mr Creosote Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:23 PM
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10. Not seen or heard anything in England
not on TV or radio anyway. I tend not to read the papers (i'm not terribly interested in who's fucking who).
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:34 PM
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14. you said
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 07:35 PM by life_long_dem
(i'm not terribly interested in who's fucking who).

Me either, except if I'M getting screwed, I would like to know about it. (as in election fraud)
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glugglug Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:33 PM
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13. we should e-mail foreign reporters
to cover this fraud. If our own reporters are too chickenshit...
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:28 AM
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17. I've been e-mailing the UK and France for 3 days
I'd been reading some very harsh editorials in the Mirror and the Guardian asking how we could be so thick over here as to re-elect *, so I wrote them and told them we didn't do that. And I sent them all the links to keep an eye on this, BBV,DU,AAR,Bradblog.

I spent a good chunk of time yesterday writing & translating letters into French saying the same thing & sending links, which I sent to Le Monde, Le Parisien, and Nice Matin. There are tons of French who speak English, so I didn't need to do that, but I wanted them to know I spent that time because I was serious. Our relationship with France, the EU and the UK has been seriously damaged thanks to *. They're sad, because the older ones remember the old selfless Americans from WWII, smiling and throwing gum and chocolate bars to the kids. Right now, they think Bush won fair and square. You want to know how mature those cultures are? I read an article in LeMonde about how they are trying to figure out how to mend fences with * !!! * has been nothing but completely arrogant and dismissive with Europe, and yet THEY want to repair the relationship. Guys, we need to get Kerry into the White House in January.

Chirac can't stand that spoiled,smirking monkey & I don't blame him. Blair is taking a lot of heat from the British for supporting * (especially now that 3 brits were just killed in Iraq)and he's just trying to do the right thing because of loyalty to the old U.S.A. - the one before the neo-cons took over. I have a feeling that they are keeping an eye on this, but are taking a wait and see approach. As the facts come out, I'm sure the articles will follow. I e-mailed them that an Ohio recount is pending as of today. Since Bev asked us to become the press, I have nominated myself to be the eyes and ears of the UK and EU on this issue. We have a lot of work to do to repair these old alliances, so I hope many of you can send some e-mails over there too. BTW - DU is awesome. This is my 1st post. You all have saved me during this last week.:bounce:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:18 AM
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20. don't get your hopes up
all western mainstream media do for the most part fall in line with the official story. europe may not be as bad as the US but the difference is marginal.
of course there are reporters like Greg Palast, who write for the mainstream media. but those are few and far between. people tend not to pick up on issues they hear very little about.
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Jasper 91 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:18 AM
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29. I too spoke to The Mirror and The Mail
Then I sent them emails containing all the information we'd amassed on here and also encouraged other DUer's to email them. They haven't used anything yet, though Chris Marritt at The Mail did say they were worried about being sued.

It seems that there is no such thing as investigative journalism anymore, they are all too cowed. We will just have to carry on doing their job for them.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:08 AM
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33. Sued?
By whom?
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bluedonkey Donating Member (644 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:36 AM
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18. I send info
to friends in Finland and Germany.Have contact with 'American Voices Abroad',send him all the info I had and daily updates.They are very interested.(I found them trought Ebay.de chat room)
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headster Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:16 AM
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24. Article in German Magazine "Der Spiegel"
You might be interested in this. It's in German but it talks at some length about irregularities in the presidential elections:

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,327359,00.html

Here's a Google translation to give you an idea:


11 November 2004, 10:35
URL: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,327359,00.html
Doubt about the US election result

The district with 139 per cent of election turnout

Of Marc Pitzke, New York

Phantom voter, disappeared voices, counting computers, which subtracted instead of added: While at the choice night hardly on problems with the urn course one reported, in the meantime information about irregularities mehren itself. First congressional representatives demand an investigation.


If one believes Greg Palast, then John Kerry won the US presidency election. "I know, none will's more hear", sigh the investigative reporter, documentary film producer and best-selling author, who made themselves with its searches the Florida Wahlfiasko of 2000 a name. Now he wants to have come a new electoral fraud on the trace: "Kerry got most voices in the decisive States of Ohio and new Mexico. They were not ranked however among thousands."

A heavy reproach, but it does not come from somebody. Palace, resident in New York and London, works for the BBC, the "Guardian" and its sister sheet "Observer". then palace reports the domestic Mainstream media against it proudly, as if is an honour honor, boycotted it persistently, and of Florida ex interior minister Katherine Harris it "by verse called and moved".

Palace suspects the authorities in Ohio (the state, whose 20 electors decided the choice) and to new Mexico (the state, which Kerry with scarcely 8000 voices lost), by "old and new cheat" the results to favour of US president George W. Bush to have manipulated. For example by "spoiled voices", which fell as "invalidly" under the table. In the "Swing State" Ohio, where often still the old, suspekten punching machines from 2000 came to the employment, were after past counting 92,672 voices. Most of these "garbage voices", then palace believes, in the critical districts to the democrat to property would have come.

Paranoia or reality?

Greg palace does not stand with its statement, on 2 November everything with right things happened, long no longer alone. While Kerry already gave the Bush critical US media up on the day after and itself since that time keep covered, many waidwunde democrats until today clasp themselves to the firm faith, this choice are "stolen from them, like already the choice 2000,".

The persistent doubts about the election result - already before locking of the polling stations gardens - do not only strike themselves in the alternative media down or in furious InterNet Blogs as www.stolenelection.com. Also at Watchdog groups, citizens' initiatives and the local offices of the politicians ten thousands of complaints were so far already received. The Kerry clan pursues the reports with interest: "we ignore that everything not", said Kerrys brother Cameron on Tuesday.

Much of it may be pure conspiracy theory, coincidence, loser pain, Paranoia or also only the usual breakdown chaos. Other one however gives at least cause for the Aufhorchen.

Kerry voices for Bush



EPA/DPA
Choice protest in Florida: Sifting of the provisional voices in Ohio, the "new Florida", only on weekend
Most of these reproaches come from Ohio, the "new Florida", as the Blogger baptized it. Here, under the supervision of the ore-conservative Minister of the Interior Kenneth Blackwell, Bush with a majority of 136.483 voices won - subject to of 155.428 "provisional voting cards", whose sifting was to only begin on this weekend.

However there are inconsistencies already now. Thus a choice machine in a rather republican suburb of the capital Columbus booked 4258 voices about Bushs account - although there only 638 people had selected. Returning officer Matthew Damschroder, a former district boss of the republicans, explained the "Supersizing of the Bush voices" (so the local newspaper "Columbus Dispatch") fast with a technical" sip on ".

Something similar "sip on" gave it however also in Cleveland, where 93,000 fictitious extra voices were discovered, and ironical way in the place Miami/Ohio, where a counting automat added 19,000 mysterioese phantom voices. In Youngstown/Ohio democrats state that the machines registered their voices not for Kerry, but for Bush.

10.000 voices doubles counted



AP
Touchscreen to the casting of votes: Rumors over entrance of the manufacturer to the central choice computer
In Auglaize in north Ohio rumors, an ex coworker of the choice machine manufacturer ES&S circulate before the choice without permission entrance to the central computer system briefly had. In the district Warren did not barricade themselves the returning officers for counting the voices "for preservation of regional tradition" behind locked doors - ever more dagewesener and possibly illegal procedure. Here Bush with 41.124 voices projection/lead won.

"the proofs consolidate themselves that the choice in Ohio was stolen", says from Bob Fitrakis, a sociologist at the Columbus State Community college and liberal Kolumnist. Ohio Minister of the Interior Blackwell rejects such reproaches as spinning mills of the InterNet age: "there are also Websites, which state that the moon-landing did not take place, answers" Blackwells speaker James Lee.

But in Ohio it did not only go approximately. In the place Papillion in the Federal State Nebraska were counted 3342 voices - 400 more than voters. Altogether the electoral registration office estimates that in this corner of Nebraskas "up to 10.000 voices doubly counted" are. It becomes still more bizarrer on the Website of the responsible district Sarpy. The official election turnout numbers on 139,93 per cent: 82.607 voters, 115,593 delivered voices, a mysterioese difference of 32.986 voices - over 10.000 more than Bushs projection/lead in the final result.



DPA
Voice examination before four years: "I white, none will's more hear"
In the district Carteret in North Carolina did not go knowing against it 4530 letter votes "lost" and, since the choice computers do not have paper expression, also by Recount any more not to be reconstructed. Possibly must completely again be selected here now. Elsewhere in the Federal State later 22,000 voices for Kerry were discovered.

The group of citizens of COUNTS Every Vote 2004 (CEV2004) logged hundreds of "irregularities" in approximately 700 polling stations in the Southern States, where Bush cleared strongly: long waiting periods, mechanical defects, not sufficient voting card, intimidation of voters. Particularly by it minorities and arms were affected. "even if the United States are a strong democracy", say CEV Chefaktivist Keith Jennings, "are them also an unsatisfactory democracy."

Blackout of the large media?



REUTERS
US voter with the sunrise on 2 November: Sharpens an iceberg?
"we have the bad feeling that we see, say only the point of the iceberg" to Cindy Cohn, the Justitiarin of the group of citizens of Electronic Frontier Foundation. Also the Watchdog group of People for the American Way (PFAW) deplores a "irreparable damage of the citizen rights". But the longer the choice is past, the more heavily falls apart it to sort all these messages meaningfully.

Particularly since most established US media obviously decided to let the thing be based for the time being on itself. Even the left weekly paper "nation" answers its own heading "the choice was stolen?" with a zoegerlichen "probably not". Greg of palace thesis of the Stimmenklau in Ohio, writes "Nation" Politikchef David Corn, most improbably" and "perhaps is" the beginning of a case, but no case for itself ".

"the large media suffer from a Blackout", criticized against it David Swanson, the medium co-ordinator of the journalist combination ILCA. Only a few local newspapers and TV transmitters still remained for the topic on the heels. Is not nevertheless only the scandal whether the irregularities would have changed the election result, but that it had come at all to irregularities.

All gave up. The three democratic congressional representatives John Conyers, Jerrold Nadler and Robert Wexler now requested the US audit office GAO to follow to the doubts about the expiration of the choice "urgently". "we gotten daily new complaints", wrote them on Tuesday in a letter at GAO boss David Walker. "so far there is over 30.000."

Bushs projection/lead - 3.5 million voices

But even if ten thousands voices should have been wrongly counted or suppressed remain to hold: After the past result president Bush received 59.7 million voices with the US choice on 2 November - his challenger John Kerry only 56.2 million. And nobody states so far that with the choice more than 3.5 million were manipulated. After absolute voices Bush won the choice thus clearly.

To the victory in Ohio - and thus to the majority of the elector voices - Kerry would have been sufficient for approximately 130,000 additional voices, but also this projection/lead Bushs was much too large the democrats, in order to in-permit itself again on legal skirmishes. So far.
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Munich Democrat Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:37 AM
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25. German coverage
A fact to add: Spiegel is Germany's most important online news portal. The article is also very likely to be printed in the next issue on Monday (circulation around 1.200.000).
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:31 AM
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26. Kick!
:kick:
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tonyblair Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:38 AM
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27. Letter in Guardian 11/11
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1348057,00.html

(BTW I know some German and the Google translation tool is laughable).
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tonyblair Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:46 AM
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28. Money!!
On another subject, is there any way we non-Americans can help fund the recounts? This is the most important campaign I have seen in a long time. Can we give money to our US expat friends to donate on our behalf or would that compromise your position?
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:35 PM
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30. That's a good question
Just off the top of my head, I think that it would be possible for noncitizens to donate to blackboxvoting.org, but not to helpamericarecount.org or any of the third party candidate recounts. It depends upon how the groups are structured, legally.

Of course you can always donate to democraticunderground.com, where much of the research and networking is being conducted, and probably to other websites involved in pushing this issue until it is resolved.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:35 PM
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31. Dust off your rusty second language
that your gramma spoke and tell 'em ALL over there about the ca-ca doo-doo the American *corp-controlled media refuses to cover. Send links and pix. DELUGE THEM!!!:

http://www.journalismnet.com/papers/europe.htm
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bluedonkey Donating Member (644 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:19 PM
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32. Thanks
for that link.That'll come in handy for any kind of reporting.
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