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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 06:35 PM
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*** URGENT *** Diebold machines not HAVA COMPLIENT!!!!
Edited on Sun Jul-31-05 06:41 PM by helderheid
Please forward this terrific email (below) from New Jersey election
activists. They detail the federal HAVA requirements, for the disabled,
and for error rates that Diebold's (& also Sequoia's) DRE voting
machines do not meet. (Written handouts on HAVA requirements that
Diebold DREs does "not" meet, while the AutoMARK does, are also
available on both Verifiedvoting.org & Votersunite.org, or by reading
HAVA.)

Utah's election officials ignore the consistent overwhelming written and
verbal advice given them by Utah's computer professionals, and the
plethera of mainstream news articles on the flaws of Diebold since March
2003. I am very curious to know what motivates Utah election officials
to purchase the most expensive, most flawed voting system in America, in
the face of all the facts? Were they bought off, are they hopelessly
ignorant (that would be difficult to imagine after all the input &
news), or are they planning to rig our elections because any computer
novice can tamper with election results in a few seconds without leaving
a trace with Diebold's central tabulators which would be located in
Utah's county election offices?

If it is any consolation, suing the Utah election office ought to be
easy for any patriotic Utah lawyer since they are purchasing systems
which they certainly must know, if they are doing their jobs at all, are
not certified to follow the HAVA laws.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Certification issues regarding HAVA section 301
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:25:53 -0400
From: R. Janow <janow@worldnet.att.net>
Reply-To: <janow@worldnet.att.net>
To: <kathy@uscountvotes.org>


Dear Kathy

I noticed your name in an article (
_http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2901000_ from the Salt
Lake Tribune that a friend forwarded to me about your work in Utah on
voting machines.
I may have something that can help.

I've been working with a group here in Northern N. J. called
"Essex Country Task Force for Voting Rights". We have a similar
perhaps smaller scale problem with respect to impending purchases
of the Sequoia Advantage voting machine. There is also an existing NJ
infrastructure of about 7000 of the same machines - some bought with
HAVA money not long ago, some bought with County funds.

At first the local elections commissioner and the State Attorney
General (who
is responsible for elections, untypically for the rest of the U. S.)
stonewalled our
efforts, although the County elected Freeholders held up authoriziation
of the funds.
There are industry rumblings about closed territories and inside deals
in a field that
was not subject to public scrutiny until recently.

But we finally got their attention and may have stopped them
with a certification issue that may apply tot Diebold as well as
Sequoia - the
absence of demonstrable certifications on error rate, and also on all
the other items
that are required in HAVA 301. State certification is irrelevent; in
order to be
legal for use in Federal elections, and to qualify for reimbursement
from HAVA,
the machines must meet the Federal 2002 requirements of section 301 in
HAVA.
Otherwise any citizen can challenge Federal elections that use
non-certified equipment in court.

The hard thing for State officials to understand seems to be that this
is Federal.
State officials can certify all they want, but only the only the ITA's
(independent
testing labs) can do the tests and issue certifications.

I'm attaching a 1 page discussion of this, with tacked on quotes from
the laws, that
seemed to get the message across to officials. The EAC recently issued
an advisory (also attached)
that specifically mentions sections of the FEC VVS guidelines that
specify the Federal 2002
requirements, making those sections no longer voluntary. Hava 301 also
specifically mentions
VVS section 3.2.1 on maximum error rates, which are fivefold stronger
than they were
in the 1990 standards.

Feel free to follow up on this anytime.....Rich

<<...>> <<...>>

Rich Janow, Ph. D.
514 North Wyoming Avenue
South Orange, N. J.
_janow@att.net_ <mailto:janow@att.net >
(973) 762-4987


PM me for documents!
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 06:55 PM
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1. Send to John Conyers!
:bounce:
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Higans Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:02 PM
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2. Well then, I guess that the presidential election wasn't valid at all.
Which is exactly what the people her at DU have been saying all along now haven't we. Our 14th amendment right to equality in voting has been blatantly violated by this administration. and then this fact has been seriously downplayed by the media. When will "We the People" truly take control of our technology? Until we get this issue with the easily altered central tabulators solved, out technology controls us. Sorry, thats just the way it is.

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http://www.thestandard.com/movabletype/datadigest/archives/000499.php

http://www.metroblogging.com/videothevote/index_str.html

http://colorado.indymedia.org/feature/display/9777/index.php

http://www.countthevote.org/

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html

And one for the crazies:

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:20 PM
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3. OMG this sounds too good to be true
But that won't stop me from getting psyched about it!

:bounce:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:56 PM
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5. Rec'd, kicked, and thanks for this.
Edited on Sun Jul-31-05 07:56 PM by bleever
Very nice.

The 2004 election results were a castle made of sand, and the rain has continued to fall in the long weeks since.



ed: meant for the OP. But still rec'd. And kicked.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:33 PM
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4. Holy Cow! As Bart would say. This is amazing.
State officians paying attention to guidelines. Why? They don't even pay attention to their own guidelines or constitutions.

Great post.

:kick: Recommend
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:22 PM
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6. kick
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:25 PM
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7. kick for helderheid! n/t
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:52 PM
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8. It's even rumored heavily in my state, as well.
And who knows how many others... sure, they're in place for mid-2006. Why would they suddenly decide to be "honest." Glad to see NJ folks are fighting this! Wish people in my area gave a damn...

I'm a lone-star here, but ready to volunteer for next year's elections. Wanna be there to witness, document, you name it.

Not this time.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 10:48 PM
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9. kick
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 11:37 PM
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10. thanks all - what is Conyers email?
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. J. Conyers info for you
The Honorable John Conyers, Jr
Representing Michigan's 14th District
John.Conyers@mail.house.gov

2426 Rayburn Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-5126
(202) 225-0072 Fax

DCC Building, Suite 257
15100 Northline Road
Southgate, MI 48195 (734) 285-5624
(734) 285-5943 Fax

669 Federal Building
231 W. Lafayette
Detroit, MI 48226
(313) 961-5670
(313) 226-2085 Fax

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 11:58 PM
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13. I will email tonight and fax tomorrow - THANK YOU
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 11:43 PM
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11. can i sue?
"Otherwise any citizen can challenge Federal elections that use
non-certified equipment in court."


:mad:

dp
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:11 AM
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14. What a class ation that would be!
Edited on Mon Aug-01-05 12:12 AM by hootinholler
Especially if it's discovered that Diebold was less than forthcomming about certifications.

-Hoot
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:03 AM
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15. KICK !!!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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Unforgiven Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:12 AM
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16. Kick
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 07:08 AM
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17. Okay........
I admit I have not followed this as closely as I could've, but this is really good, right? If the machines are not compliant, than they can't legally be used in future elections until they are brought up to the standards in HAVA? Or do I have it all wrong?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 08:33 AM
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18. you got it -converted--
HAVA clearly states that if voting Machines dont meet standards clearly outlined in title III, section 301, they are not eligible for HAVA money and cant be used in a federal election.

Here is the NASED list:
http://www.nased.org/ITA%20Information/NASEDQualifiedVotingSystems12.03to7.05.pdf

Voting equipment not on this list as certified to the 2002 standards is probably not HAVA compliant. SO that equipment cant be used in a federal election.

Seems my crew gets around-- LOL
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:10 AM
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21. Thank you for clarifying for me!!!!
This IS good news indeed!!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:33 AM
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24. So is this going to work?
Or are they going to find some loophole to get around it, like they avoided doing a recount of the Ohio vote, that probably would have given Kerry the election?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:36 AM
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25. can't imagine a loophole big enough for the federal election part.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 10:20 AM
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27. See post 23-- this came out recently the JAVA section 301
advisory
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:02 AM
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19. damnit I knew I spelled compliant wrong!
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:23 AM
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22. Kick for spelling error............n/t
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peacebuzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:08 AM
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20. kick
:kick:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:28 AM
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23. Addtionally-- yes you can sue-- depending on election law in your state
Edited on Mon Aug-01-05 09:29 AM by FogerRox
S701 or chapter 88 in NJ state law-- speciically allows for seeking relief in NJ Superior court for any past- Current- or future violation of HAVA title III, section 301.

See here--
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=385691&mesg_id=386759
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:44 AM
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26. .
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:32 PM
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28. Here's the text
THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THE FEC ERROR RATE STANDARDS ON
HAVA AND FEDERAL ELECTIONS
The HAVA LAW Title III, section 301.a.5. (text below) sets requirements for voting machines used in elections and specifically says they must meet the accuracy requirements of section 3.2.1 of the FECs voting system standards in effect on the date of HAVA enactment (in 2002). Section 3.2.1 is quoted below. Not everything in the FEC voting standards is legally enforceable, but the sections called out by name in actual laws such as HAVA have to be. If 3.2.1 can be ignored, so can the handicapped access sections of the HAVA LAW section 301, and no one is claiming that. Conclusion:
IF A VOTING MACHINE DOES NOT SATISFY 3.2.1 ACCURACY STANDARDS, IT CAN NOT LEGALLY BE USED IN A FEDERAL ELECTION AFTER 1/1/2006
Nowhere does any law say that NASED must do the certification, but to satisfy 3.2.1 there must be some defensible accuracy certification other than the NJ AGs sayso or oral tradition. Otherwise anyone can go into a court and demand that a Federal election using these machines be overturned unless someone shows proof that section 3.2.1 is satisfied.
When one reads HAVA Title I, section 102.a.2.c and 102.b.1.C and D (eligibility to receive funds), thel phrase "meets the requirements of section 301" appears several times as a precondition for getting funds. Section “D” explicitly says that certification is needed to show that 301 is satisfied. The error rates must be satisfied but not all of the FEC VVS “voluntary” provisions. Therefore
HAVA FUNDING CAN BE CHALLENGED, IN COURT IF NOT BY THE FEDS, UNLESS ELECTION MACHINES BOUGHT SATISFY HAVA 301 / FEC 3.2.1
Error rate certification has to come from a recognized engineering laboratory. Neither the Attorney General nor any other lawyer or legislator can make the certification. They must produce a report to support any claims.
If there is not PROOF that a machine meets the 3.2.1 accuracy standard, it’s purchase or use can result in a broad rescinding of HAVA reimbursements to states and localities, and also in election-time spectacles reminiscent of the 2000 Presidential election. Specifically, the November 2006 Congressional election results could and probably would be challenged by the losers in each locality. For new purchases, it is central to ask
WHERE IS THE CERTIFICATION THAT A MACHINE
MEETS THE FEC 3.2.1 ERROR STANDARD?
To see the impact, note for example that New Jersey has about 6200 Sequoia Advantage voting machines, with the possibility that 1000 – 2000 more will be ordered to use up HAVA funding. What if the error certification is not available from a reputable engineering source? What if the machine can not meet the standard, since it is a very old and opbsolete design?

CITATIONS

HERE IS THE TEXT OF 301, WITH IRRELEVENT STUFF DELETED:
TITLE III--UNIFORM AND NONDISCRIMINATORY ELECTION TECHNOLOGY AND
ADMINISTRATION REQUIREMENTS
Subtitle A--Requirements
SEC. 301. <<NOTE: 42 USC 15481.>> VOTING SYSTEMS STANDARDS.
(a) Requirements.--Each voting system used in an election for Federal office shall meet the following requirements:
(1) ...
(2) Audit capacity.—
( A) In general.--The voting system shall produce a record with an audit capacity for such system.
(B) Manual audit capacity.--
(i) The voting system shall produce a permanent paper record with a manual audit capacity for
such system.
(ii) The voting system shall provide the voter with an opportunity to change the ballot or correct
any error before the permanent paper record is produced.
(iii) The paper record produced under subparagraph (A) shall be available as an official record for
any recount conducted with respect to any election in which the system is used.
(3) Accessibility for individuals with disabilities.--The voting system shall-...
(4) Alternative language accessibility
(5) Error rates.--The error rate of the voting system in counting ballots (determined by taking into account only those errors which are attributable to the voting system and not attributable to an act of the voter) shall comply with the error rate standards established under section 3.2.1 of the voting systems standards issued by the Federal Election Commission which are in effect on the date of the enactment of this Act.

HERE IS THE RELEVENT TEXT OF TITLE I SECTION 102:
SEC. 102. <<NOTE: 42 USC 15302.>> REPLACEMENT OF PUNCH CARD OR LEVER
VOTING MACHINES.
(a) Establishment of Program.--
(1) .....
(2) Use of funds.--A State shall use the funds provided under a payment under this section (either
directly or as reimbursement, including as reimbursement for costs incurred on or after January 1,
2001, under multiyear contracts) to replace punch card voting systems or lever voting systems
(as the case may be) in qualifying precincts within that State with a voting system (by purchase,
lease, or such other arrangement as may be appropriate) that--
(A) does not use punch cards or levers;
(B) is not inconsistent with the requirements of the laws described in section 906; and
(C) meets the requirements of section 301....
…….
(b) Eligibility.--
(1) In general.--A State is eligible to receive a payment under the program under this section if it
submits to the Administrator a notice not later than the date that is 6 months after the date of the
enactment of this Act (in such form as the Administrator may require) that contains--
(A) ...
(B) ...
(C) certifications that the replacement voting systems will meet the requirements of
section 301; and
(D) such other information and certifications as the Administrator may require which
are necessary for the administration of the program.


ACCURACY SPECIFICATION FROM the FEC VOLUNTARY VOTING SYSTEM GUIDELINES SECTION 3 (SEE BOLDED PARAGRAPHS) http://www.epic.org/privacy/voting/eac_foia/

3.2.1 Accuracy Requirements
Voting system accuracy addresses the accuracy of data for each of the individual ballot positions that could be selected by a voter, including the positions that are not selected. For a voting system, accuracy is defined as the ability of the system to capture, record, store, consolidate and report the specific selections and absence of selections, made by the voter for each ballot position without error. Required accuracy is defined in terms of an error rate that for testing purposes represents the maximum number of errors allowed while processing a specified volume of data. This rate is set at a sufficiently stringent level such that the likelihood of voting system errors affecting the outcome of an election is exceptionally remote even in the closest of elections.
The error rate is defined using a convention that recognizes differences in how vote data is processed by different types of voting systems. Paper-based and DRE systems have different processing steps. Some differences also exist between precinct count and central count systems. Therefore, the acceptable error rate applies separately and distinctly to each of the following functions:
a. For all paper-based systems:
1) Scanning ballot positions on paper ballots to detect selections for individual candidates and contests;
2) Conversion of selections detected on paper ballots into digital data;
b. For all DRE systems:
1) Recording the voter selections of candidates and contests into voting data storage; and
2) Independently from voting data storage, recording voter selections of candidates and contests into ballot image storage.
c. For precinct-count systems (paper-based and DRE): Consolidation of vote selection data from multiple precinct-based systems to generate jurisdiction-wide vote counts, including storage and reporting of the consolidated vote data; and
d. For central-count systems (paper-based and DRE): Consolidation of vote selection data from multiple counting devices to generate jurisdiction-wide vote counts, including storage and reporting of the consolidated vote data.
For testing purposes, the acceptable error rate is defined using two parameters: the desired error rate to be achieved, and the maximum error rate that should be accepted by the test process.
For each processing function indicated above, the system shall achieve a target error rate of no more than one in 10,000,000 ballot positions, with a maximum acceptable error rate in the test process of one in 500,000 ballot positions.
ANOTHER SECTION FROM FEC VVS
3.2.4.3.3 Recording Accuracy
DRE systems shall meet the following requirements for recording accurately each vote and ballot cast:
a. Detect every selection made by the voter;
b. Correctly add permissible selections to the memory components of the device;
c. Verify the correctness of the detection of the voter selections and the addition of the selections to memory;
d. Achieve an error rate not to exceed the requirement indicated in Section 3.2.1;
e. Preserve the integrity of voting data and ballot images (for DRE machines) stored in memory for the official vote count and audit trail purposes against corruption by stray electromagnetic emissions, and internally generated spurious electrical signals; and
f. Maintain a log of corrected data.

Rich Janow
514 North Wyoming Avenue South Orange, N. J.
janow@att.net (973) 762-4987
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 03:45 PM
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29. kick.nt
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:51 PM
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30. kick
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adolfo Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:54 PM
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31. Kick!
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 09:45 AM
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32. kick!!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 10:52 PM
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33. kick for sad news today
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:40 PM
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34. kickety
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 03:43 PM
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35. keepin it kicked
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 02:13 PM
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36. many thanks
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37. don't forget!!
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