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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:00 PM
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Internet Voting in 08 Primary & Disfunctional DNC Voting Rights Committee

Internet Voting -
Whose stupid idea is this?
Is this a plan to rig the 08 primary?
Disfunction in the DNC


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August 21, 2006 Internet Voting

The 2008 Rules contain a new provision allowing Internet voting under certain conditions.
Internet voting can only apply to State Party-run primaries and must be accompanied by in-person
voting locations and vote by mail. Additionally, Internet voting must include a comprehensive outreach and education program to reach those who lack access as well as certain security and technical safeguards.
http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/08/highlights_of_t.php


Is this Donna Brazile's idea? She IS the Chairman of the VRI Committee:

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8/18/06 Forbes Magazine

Looking to broaden primary voting participation, the committee also voted to encourage
state parties to provide for Internet voting.

Some questioned whether such a step could disenfranchise some poor and minority voters,
who have more limited access to computers.

"Because of the ongoing digital divide, we're going to continue to monitor how that's implemented,"
said Donna Brazile, a member of the rules committee who has been active in DNC efforts to reach out to minorities.

http://www.forbes.com/technology/ebusiness/feeds/ap/2006/08/18/ap2959797.html


Here are the top deciders in the DNC's Voting Rights Institute:

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Donna Brazile is Chair of the Democratic National Committee's Voting Rights Institute (VRI)
and an Adjunct Professor at Georgetown University in Washington, DC.
The VRI was established in 2001 to help protect and promote the rights of all Americans to participate in the political process.
http://www.leadingauthorities.com/18767/Donna_Brazile.htm

Greg Moore is director of the DNC's Voting Rights Institute.
http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/07/dnc_voting_righ.php


Brad Friedman reported on a very disfunctional annual DNC gathering in Chicago.
Some leaders within the Democratic Party clearly hold
election integrity and advocates with great disdain:

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DYSFUNCTION AT THE DNC: Brad Addresses the DNC on Election Integrity, But Is Anybody There Listening?
A First-hand Account from this Year's Annual Democratic National Party Gathering in Chicago
PLUS: 'Internet Voting' (Incredibly) Rears Its Ugly Head at the DNC and EXCLUSIVE Outtakes from Jesse Jackson's Address on the State of Our Elections at 'High National Security Risk'

"They're dumb as shit."
– Donna Brazile to Rolling Stone for an article this week, discussing her frustration with the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and making the party understand the need to be vigilant during Election 2006.

"Fuck you."
– Donna Brazile to an Election Integrity Advocate at the annual DNC gathering last weekend
in Chicago after being asked where the party was in Ohio after Election 2004.

Such were the contradictions and dysfunctions on parade last weekend in Chicago where I was invited to address a panel on Electoral Integrity at the DNC's annual gathering of state party chairs. What a mess....

Donna Brazile seemed to be singing a different tune in her comments to Rolling Stone, but the message from too many of the folks at the DNC seemed to be a big "Fuck You" to all of us.

Oh, and I should add that she reportedly followed the "Fuck you" to the Election Integrity Advocate with a "where the hell were you twenty years ago?"

The Election Integrity Advocate replied in kind: "I don't know, but 40 years ago I was across the street getting beat up by the Chicago police." The weekend's gathering was held in the same hotel, apparently, as the infamous 1968 DNC Convention where protesters had hit the streets to make their points to the DNC, only to meet the business end of Mayor Daley's police brigades.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3308#more-3308


My note: many of you know the advocate that Brazile so arrogantly insulted.
He got a great VVPB law passed in his state just recently.

Brazile's odd friendship with Karl Rove:

see last few paragaphs -

Brazile tells Rove how Bush policies are playing and checks in with him before her television appearances. "He bounces things off me, and I'll say, 'That's going to get you in a lot of trouble,' " she said.

In exchange, Rove has been kind to Brazile's friends and clients, such as Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.) and District Mayor Anthony A. Williams (D). When she complained that one of her consulting clients was excluded from a White House event, "he sent me a three-page memo." Rove invited Brazile to the White House mess, "so we can get people wagging their tongues."

The two stopped their discussions three months before the midterm elections, and then got back in touch to do an election postmortem.

"People think I'm crazy talking to Karl Rove," Brazile said, but "there's something about this guy." Still, Brazile draws the line at advising Rove about appealing to minorities, her specialty. "Hell, no," she said. "He'd have to pay for that advice." © 2003 The Washington Post Company


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A2674-2003Mar9¬Found=true


One activist says that the DNC Ohio report was a cover up, stating that these bad things did happen but would not change the out come of the 2004 election in Ohio. They did not address the election fraud of the machines and election officials!!! The RFK Jr report in Rolling Stone set the record straight.


Several months after the Ohio report was done former Chair of the DNC Joe Andrews went to work for Diebold. See video, http://www.bbvdocs.org/videos/JoeAndrew.mpg very short.


The activist that Donna Brazile said "Fuck you" to says this:


"After seeing this video you will see that Joe Andrews echoes Donna L. Brazile resolutions election reform base on evidence of widespread voter confusion; voter suppression; negligence and incompetence on the part of election officials; long lines at the polls; improper requests for voter identification, particularly among young voters and African American voters; the failure to properly process absentee ballots and the improper use of provisional ballots in Ohio on Election Day 2004.

Yes this being ALL TRUE and outrageous, however this does not tell the whole story about what happen in Ohio."


Solution proposed: some activists are mounting a campaign that Howard Dean appoint Robert Kennedy Jr as the Democratic party’s voting chief instead of Donna Brazile, definitely “old school,” and crude besides.




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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:06 PM
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1. With internet voting, the election results are whatever
...the company running the voting website chooses.

They can put in whatever code they want to switch and/or create votes.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:11 PM
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2. This is the stupest thing I've ever seen.
http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/08/highlights_of_t.php

"Internet Voting
The 2008 Rules contain a new provision allowing Internet voting under certain conditions. Internet voting can only apply to State Party-run primaries and must be accompanied by in-person voting locations and vote by mail. Additionally, Internet voting must include a comprehensive outreach and education program to reach those who lack access as well as certain security and technical safeguards.

Voting Machine Equipment
The 2008 Rules contain a new provision requiring State Parties to take provable positive steps to acquire optical scan voting machines and DRE voting machines that produce a voter verified paper record."

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What is the point of requiring voting machines to print a paper ballot, while allowing internet voting in which the company which designs the voting webpage can choose the winner?
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 06:11 PM
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3. Dear God ...
How depressing!
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:16 PM
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4. Ever wonder why this donkey is running DOWNHILL?
:dem:
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:33 PM
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5. RFK for Democratic Party's Voting Integrity Chair
Edited on Sun Sep-03-06 09:35 PM by BeFree
I like that Will. So much so, that a new thread appeared in GD.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2043229

I have been told by party officials that I should bring them evidence. Evidence that the machines can steal votes right from under our noses.

I will, but from now on I am gonna tell them that they need to prove to me that my vote is not being stolen - that your and my votes are being counted as cast.

It is their responsibility to show we voters that elections are fair and square. Our leaders have failed in the elections integrity department, and they'll no longer be allowed squirm away from making sure elections are for real and not just a bunch of made up electrons.

RFK Jr. will tell the truth. DU could help put him in charge of the DNC Voting Integrity Rights Institute.

What do you think?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 09:52 PM
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6. Robert Kennedy gets the whole picture
If we want to win, we need to have someone we know gets it.

Always have the best experts around you.

Its time to turn this donkey around.

Kennedy has an expert's understanding of the issue and past events,
and we wouldn't have to worry about the Voting Rights Committee
cooking up new ways to steer us into a ditch.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 10:17 PM
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7. You're right -he gets the whole picture, but it pisses me off that someone
else in the Dem leadership isn't filling his shoes on this issue so that his expertise and passion has to be directed away from environmental issues. I don't want to belittle the importance of voting, of course, but voting means jack if there's no life left on the planet. It's too f-ing bad the DLC has to apply their weight in attempt to dismiss the fraud. Why not address it? That DNC Investigation of Ohio was a fricking joke. Why was Fitrakis', Wasserman's Phillips' et al investigation good enough for Conyers and RFK Jr, but the DNC investigators (and the majority of the MSM) wouldn't even review it?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:22 PM
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8. I'm ON!!!
Let's ROLL!!!

I have NO FAITH in Donna Brazille!

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.






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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:43 PM
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9. i have said it before and will say it again.,.Donna Brazile is no democrat
she is onboard with all the top PNAC'ers..she is a traitor to our party..and she must be gotten rid of and stopped from representing us..now..now is not soon enough!

she is a cancer on our party!

fly
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 04:10 AM
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10. kick
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-04-06 08:19 PM
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11. RK Jr is a great idea. Donna just gotta go. WTF??!!!
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