What happens to the Senators & Congressman who won via Electronic Voting

[GingerSnaps]

Can they also be recalled?

[Eric J in MN]

1. Do you mean where people vote on Diebold

touchscreenss? Why assume they're worse than ES & S?

It was the ES & S touschscreens which showed Bush on the confirmation screen after people touched Kerry on a previous screen.

[bunny planet]

26. so glad someone brought this up. If we don't have a chance of

overturning Preznit's annointing, perhaps we can overturn or cast aspersions on Repug senatorial and congressional races. I'd look at Castor/Martinez, Bunning/Mongiardo, Daschle/Thune to start. And maybe the race with the guy who STERALIZED a woman against her will!!!!!!!!!
Geeez, some of these people have to go down even if we can't get His Fraudulency deposed.

[phantom power]

2. How do we define "won by touch-screen voting?"

[GingerSnaps]

3. Since we are contesting areas on Kerry votes then why aren't we contesting

The votes for the Congressmen & Senators for that area also? Were they republicans as well? :shrug:

If they cheated for Bush then they cheated for the others also. :think:

[BlueDog2u]

4. Good Point

Of course, so much attention has been paid to the Presidential race that we really have little idea if fraud may have existed in other elections as well.

[GingerSnaps]

5. They passed a bill this weekend to get rid of some student loans

I believe it was Pell grants :grr: I might not be able to continue if the Pell grants have been wiped out. So, why can't we contest the bill?

Can you imagine what they are going to do to this country?

[life_long_dem]

6. That would be "frivolous". LOL. n/t

[Rhapsody in Blue]

7. Daschle's results in SD look strange

When I crunched the numbers for South Dakota, this is what I found:

Total votes for President: 388,215
Total votes for Senator: 391,188 ..... which is 2, 978 more votes than cast for President?

Are we to believe that nearly 3,000 people showed up at the polls to vote just for Senator, and didn't both voting for President while they were there, at the same time? The votes for House also exceed votes for President.

The numbers are from the SoS elections website, http://www.sdsos.gov/Elections/. I have posted a county by county breakdown at http://www.geocities.com/truthnow2004/South_Dakota.htm.

I've already sent this info to Tom Daschle. Anyone from South Dakota on this forum? Are these numbers a possibility?

[latteromden]

8. Not totally sure

Well, I'm next door to South Dakota, and I'm pretty familiar with it. From what I could see/hear, people were pretty fired up about the Senate race, and there were actually more Thune signs than Bush signs posted. So, it's possible- I noticed the same thing with House candidates; people there seemed to be most excited about their local races- but not really plausible, because it doesn't make *sense* that someone would vote for Senate or House if they were fired up enough to post a sign at all and just not vote for President.

Of course, I'm not a native South Dakotan, and the west side of South Dakota could be different from the east side, for all I know.

[GingerSnaps]

9. How about all of the other areas that the Rethugs gained seats in?

:shrug:

[Rhapsody in Blue]

10. Working on some of them

I'm still trying to look at Coburn in OK, Bunning in KY ... just haven't found anything unusual yet, like I did with Daschle in SD. If I do, I'll be sure to post it. Are there any others you think are suspicious, or particularly heinous?

It would be great to knock even a little chunk off of the chimp's "political capital".

[GingerSnaps]

11. Any of them from Ohio or Florida?

:shrug:

[Rhapsody in Blue]

12. Everyone's already looking at OH and FL

.... with the world's biggest magnifying glass, so I decided to look at the races that weren't getting all that attention. I believe if a recount is done, it's a recount of all the races (someone can correct me if I'm wrong), so OH and FL will probably be covered.

[GingerSnaps]

14. Republicans won seats in 5 states that had electronic voting

They had problems with the machines in all of the states. Bush won every area that all of the new republicans won in and guess what....they were straight party ticket voting states as well.

OMG Is this a bunch of con artists or what?

http://vote2004.eriposte.com/

[Imagevision]

25. Mel Martinez-Katherine Harris {Florida} won with Diebold too!

Bush's boy Mel Martinez beat Betty Castor in a tight race for Senator of FLORIDA by a million votes up until the end it was back and forth between these two-- who's to say Diebold didn't assist in this election also?

Katerine Harris also beat her competitor, this Diebold BS.is just too much to be believed.

[truehawk]

13. Important to recount Senate and House races also

I think Republican control of both houses was fabricated the same way this election was and needs as much scrutney.

Remember how Chuck Hegle won by 6500 votes that popped into the machine over night?

[GingerSnaps]

15. Bingo

I am so nervous over this that I am shaking. I keep digging and the more that I dig the more that I find out and the more that I want to know.

Check webcrawler out and when you find something save it to a disk.

:hug:

[Carolab]

16. Kansas City

Matt Blunt beat Claire McCaskill by a slim margin for Governor. Blunt was simultaneously the SOS. He was using HAVA $ running HAVA ads with his name--thinly disguised campaign ads...

Remember Jeff Fisher said something funny was supposed to happen in Precinct 16? in Kansas City?

Perhaps it is in Greene County? Blunt clobbered McCaskill there. More than anywhere else. Springfield, MO is in Greene County--it is the county seat.

http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrweb/raceresults.asp?eid=131&oid=33030&arc=

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/politics/3877414/detail.html

Here's what Fisher e-mailed the other day in answer to a question from someone from Wake Forest University:

Regarding the FBI: The possibilities meets] are still up in the air. The reason for any hope lies with information that Russ Baker from The Nation told us yesterday that he thought it was important, but he didn't have the time or resources to investigate.

In addition, Eve Conant of Newsweek has received copies of documents
from the "sender" that confirmed my earlier statements regarding my
meeting with the sender, when I saw some of the documents regarding the 2000 and 2002 election. The information that Eve Conant received backs up the sender’s" statement that it was going to happen in multiple states during the 2004 General Election. The information Russ Baker revealed to us on November 19, 2004 was that the “sender” gave him a copy of several hundred names and corresponding social security numbers that the “sender” claimed were used in the 2000 election to cast votes. Today, November 20, 2004 we learned that this appears to have happened in Precinct 16 in Kansas City, Missouri during the 2004 General Election.

[GingerSnaps]

17. OMG This BS is widespread

I can't get my homework done because I'm busy compiling information that I keep locating on the older search engines that are talking about studies that were conducted prior to the election, seminars that were held that connects all of the major players and companies together.

Bush, Bush and more Bush connections. Big dollars, big businesses all connected to the bullshit "sorry".

Every state that won in 2002 had electronic voting and the same thing happened this time but it is major. :scared:

Let's do some more digging :D

[GingerSnaps]

18. We all need to check WV

I just lost a link but something was on irregularities in WV. :scared:

[illuminaughty]

19. The leader of our steering committee "no stolen elections' K.C.

got her letter to the editor printed yesterday. And that was the subject matter. From presidential results, all the way down the ticket, no matter how small. Overturn it, prove fraud, bust this wide open at all levels.

[GingerSnaps]

20. That's great to hear

The rethugs are telling us to wait until the next election. No damn way are we going to brush this horrible BS aside. :hug:

[Solitaire]

21. I'm confused...

If people on this site are finding all of these irregularities, why aren't we hearing anything from the Democratic Party? Senators, Congressman?

This is craziness.

If we don't start making an official public stink about this, we are doomed.

I'm so confused :(

[goclark]

22. There is a thread that talks about others

Bev is to make a major announcement in the PM

K/E involved too.

[Solitaire]

23. ah, thank you!

[sce56]

24. Chuck Hagel and Nebraska's Upset

They have been getting away with it for years!I wrote my reps and senators about it all Democrats Nada zipo zilch was their response to these allegations you really must read the book By Bev free for the d/l @ Blackboxvoting.org

"If you want to win the election, just control the machines."
-- Charlie Matulka, Nebraska Senatorial Candidate

Chuck Hagel first ran for the U.S. Senate in Nebraska in 1996. Electronic
voting machines owned by Election Systems & Software (ES&S) reported that he
had won both the primaries and the general election in unprecedented
victories. His 1996 victory was considered one of the biggest upsets of that
election. He was the first Republican to win a Nebraska senatorial campaign
in 24 years and won virtually every demographic group, including many
largely black communities that had never before voted Republican.

Six years later Hagel ran again against Democrat Charlie Matulka in 2002,
and won in a landslide. He was re-elected to his second term with 83% of the
vote: the biggest political victory in the history of Nebraska. Again, the
votes were counted by ES&S, now the largest voting machine company in
America.

While these victories could be dismissed simply as a Republican upset, a
January 2003 article in the independent Washington paper The Hill revealed
interesting details about Hagel's business investments and casts a different
light on his election successes. Chuck Hagel was CEO of ES&S (then AIS)
until 1995 and he is still a major stockholder of the parent company of
ES&S, McCarthy & Company. Hagel resigned as CEO of ES&S to run for the
Senate and resigned as president of the parent company McCarthy & Company
following his election (where he remains a major investor).

Today, the McCarthy Group is run by Michael McCarthy, who happens to be
Chuck Hagel's treasurer. Hagel's financials still list the McCarthy Group as
an asset, with his investment valued at $1-$5 million. Campaign finance
reports show that Michael McCarthy also served as treasurer for Hagel until
December of 2002.

ES&S also has a connection to the Bush family. Jeb Bush's first choice as
running mate in 1998 was Sandra Mortham who was a paid lobbyist for ES&S and
received a commission for every county that bought its touch-screen
machines.

The Hill's revelations of Hagel's conflict of interest was disturbing enough
to cause Jan Baran, one of the most powerful Republican lawyers in
Washington D.C., and Lou Ann Linehan, Senator Chuck Hagel's Chief of Staff,
to walk into The Hill's offices to "discuss" the story. According to the
author of the article, Alex Bolton, nothing similar had happened in the
three-and-a-half years he's worked for the paper. It was, no doubt, a story
Hagel would rather see go unreported.


http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html

[Hobbes199]

27. Oh man! That's f*cked up.

Wonder if we could have had a democratic majority during the Clinton years...