|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 09:37 AM Original message |
The False Equation |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. Care to unpack that one? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
2. And how many atheists would say that someone was going to |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
moggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. Another strange quote from the article |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. This is why it bothers me that so many people consider |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
4. The article truly is ridiculous. However, about Dawkins... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I've read a few of Dawkin's books |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. What I like about Dawkins |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Number three is such bullshit. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Yeah, I agree. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Please read |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I'm sorry for trusting your claims about what Dawkins says. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I'm doing my best to paraphrase |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Fine, I'll preface my comments with "If you've accurately described his position" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I'm not sure the source |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Google "to'ebah" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I don't think either I or Dawkins |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Wrong. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I'm not talking about literary understanding |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. You're unduly separating analysis tools. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. But when reading the constitution |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. So mystery religions never existed? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
99. We are talking about the reading of a text |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
139. That metaphorical readings were nothing new at the both parts were written |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
142. It's not similar at all |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. The second verse says it carries the death penalty |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. It's the translation of "to'ebah." |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. "to'ebah" was badly translated as "put to death"? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. No, it was badly translated as "abomination" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Which doesn't address the death penalty aspect |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. You misunderstand what "ritually impure" means |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. And if the Torah is meant to be taken literally |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Oh, my mistake - I read the introduction and the one about 'to'ebah' |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Death by ooga-booga. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. So it might be all right if blessed by a rabbi first? Maybe between dips in a mikvah? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. As I understand it, it's all good if you cleanse yourself afterwards. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Death penalty (Lev 20:13) or explusion from society (Lev 18:29) (n/t) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. What does this bit mean, then? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I recommend reading this entire section |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. I see only one interpretation that claims the scripture doesn't call for executing men |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. What is the interpretation from the Gay Pentecostals |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. The claim is that the passage refers the where the act can take place. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. From the site cited |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Given the rest of Leviticus, it doesn't seem that much a stretch. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. You mean the baggage we inherited from our religious tradition? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Yes, religious baggage |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Keep in mind the goal, here |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Why try to interpret an offensive bit of scripture so it's not so offensive? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Why try and interpret it in the most negative light possible? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. The goal is to be honest about the language in the scripture. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. It does, in the same sense it proscribes death to people who gather sticks. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. You all missed the point |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. That's pretty much what I've been driving at |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Then why are you arguing against us? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. I'm arguing against Harris (and apparently Dawkins) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. They're not 'wrong' |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #85 |
100. But they have rejected part of the religion |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #100 |
111. That doesn't mean they're rejecting part of the religion. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #111 |
120. Are the scriptures *not* "part of the religion?" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #120 |
125. Everything in the Bible is not necessarily part of the religion. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. I really don't see how there can be any other interpretation but one |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. I think it's because you're so used to seeing it that way (n/t) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. You seem to be arguing that moderates are free to put a nonhomophobic reading |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. No |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Before it was even amended, the Constitution assigned 3/5 personhood to slaves. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Douglass disagreed. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. That is an ingenius argument. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. My point is that the same problem happens in reading just about anything |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. The Constitution is a work built on compromise. Is the Bible? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 08:45 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. You're missing the point. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. It seems to me you're changing the subject to interpretation of a text |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. The whole POINT is the interpretation of a text. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:21 AM Response to Reply #114 |
117. I repeat: The constitution compromises between anti and pro slavery . The Bible censures homosex. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #117 |
124. You're assuming that it means what you think it means. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #124 |
128. They've got to be kidding right? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Through logical implication |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. It is just as reasonable to conclude situation X is NOT OK by the Bible |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. That's a profoundly silly argument. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. No, it's just noting the basic problem with all theology theists don't want to acknowledge |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #129 |
134. But if the Bible says Y is abominable and brings death upon those who do it |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #134 |
140. Please try to read. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. You do realise of course that the same sort of vacuous reasoning has been used by fundies |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #141 |
148. It's hardly an arbitrary distinction |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. It is arbitrary |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. You don't have to try to interpret it in a negative light |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #59 |
67. Why do religions care what consenting adults do for sexual pleasure anyway? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. If you're asking why that specific passage is there, there are a number of theories |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. So in order to urge more babies, it threatens homosexuals with death? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Actually, it does make perfect sense |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Why is it religion's business what people do with their bodies? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Most don't. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #82 |
102. The claim is not that they aren't as religious |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #102 |
144. that assumes |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Um, this is where we go back to square 1 |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. God is God, Bible or not... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #147 |
151. Dorian, all you're proposing is that a load of men have written a load of stuff on gods |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. I suppose it doesn't matter |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. Hell, that's your problem when dealing with other theists |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-02-07 01:20 AM Response to Reply #153 |
154. Twisting words... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-02-07 06:37 AM Response to Reply #154 |
155. I don't think it is about... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-02-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #155 |
157. No, it's about special knowledge |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-02-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Well, to some believers |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-02-07 08:34 AM Response to Reply #154 |
156. You don't see how you lack consistency? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. Many laws were necessary at the time for health reasons |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
96. Good question |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
60. I don't question your translation, just your reasoning |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
101. You're demonstrating the core paradox of moderate religious apologists |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. Excellent observation! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I suspect you're right |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Yes, I've heard those arguments... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. There's a lot of insane things in the bible period. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Yes, very true. All of what you say. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #31 |
66. That's just a way to maintain the pretence that the Bible is fundamentally special |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
109. Using the bible as an allegorical guide to life? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Interesting. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. If you are an agnostic |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. ok.... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. But don't you think that |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. It certainly depends on how far you go with religious beliefs. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #30 |
58. "pure dogma of religion is not my cup of tea" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. You're asking why we don't burn people at the stake anymore? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. "Civilization is quite a bit less brutal than it used to be." |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Because ethics have evolved. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. The evidence would seem to indicate that, yes. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Yet religion changes all the time |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. They sure do. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Why do religions change? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
92. Obviously they don't change because God told them to. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. That depends on how you view divine inspiration |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I think people have their own sense of morality. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. Christ on a cracker! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. "How hard is it to admit..." |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. I had to google that phrase for a picture |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-28-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #103 |
112. It's literal understandings that are the modern innovations. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #112 |
115. Uh..dude...wasn't getting stoned and burned alive "the norm at the time"? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:05 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. What does that have to do with anything? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. I'm lost...weren't we talking about revealed religions (and Christianity) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #118 |
122. That change isn't anti-religious, either. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Moderates "get people to agree that god is a fact"? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I paraphrase for effect |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I'm really interested in this guy now... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. He's worth the read |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I certainly agree! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
33. I don't think he is a "Fundamentalist Atheist" but he does play a similar role |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. That's funny |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-27-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
51. Dawkins and religious people |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 02:01 AM Response to Reply #51 |
119. "Prove to me that god doesn't exist." |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 09:32 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Indeed. It's all rather moot asking someone to consider the qualities of gods if there aren't any. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #121 |
123. That used to be a major bone of contention here. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cyborg_jim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #123 |
126. I don't mind such discussions |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Exactly....its like watching a TV show. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #119 |
130. Yeah, it has nothing to do with Dawkin's shitty arguments. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. Maybe you could explain how it is a shitty argument. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #133 |
137. Um... see post 8, and the mega subthread that it spawned. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #137 |
143. Ugh, that's why I much prefer Dennett |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #137 |
145. I read those posts.... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #145 |
149. I reject your premise |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. I haven't read the book |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-01-07 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
138. I agree that is a false |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Sat May 04th 2024, 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC