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Morpheal Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 02:07 PM
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BANKING CRISIS WORSENING - ROLE OF CHRISTIAN RIGHT WING AS A CAUSE
PREAMBLE TO ARTICLE - ROLE OF CHRISTIAN RIGHT WING AS A CAUSE OF THE BANKING CRISIS

Keep in mind that the most prevalent argument for financial institution freedom to wrong doing is Biblical and America is reliant on the Christian right wing, particularly fundamentalism, for support for financial free enterprise. It all stems from the persistent criticism of borrowing and lending in the Bible. "Neither a borrower nor a lender be", being at the core of that system. So finance is evil by definition within a fundamentalist Biblical context. So ethics and morality in finance are less the issue compared to the persistence of evil practices, supporting fundamentalist, bordering on fascist, Biblicism. Once you understand the power of that irrationality, you understand how it could go so very very wrong. With the rise of the right wing American fundamentalist spirituality, and its adoption by governance, globalization of the very damning and negative Biblical view of the finance industry becomes the normative, not the exceptional, affecting regulation and practice. You do not regulate evil if you want it to remain evil and to express that evil in support of the goal or pushing your religious views over on others. To globalization of untrustworthy, corrupt, finance becomes the covert globalization of a corrupt, irrational, false spirituality, American religion. For fundamentalist, right wing, religion, the finance industry is only a sacrificial goat, to slaughter, furthering their religious agenda.

BANKING CRISIS - WORSENING NOT IMPROVING - LOSING TRUST

The real solution to the growing, not yet diminishing, worldwide banking crisis is not yet in sight. Trust is slowly perishing, not growing, in regard to major financial institutions and investment.

The one solution possible, and practical, for restoring trust is simple and yet highly unpopular, exactly because it is so necessary and
so many fear for their financial lives within the finance community. It is largely America's fault and America should lead the way to the solution, rather than following in the painful wake of fiscal destruction that is sweeping around the planet.

Unless fully empowered government auditors are placed in private institutions, there is no more basis for trust.

American spiritual enforcement of piratical self interest, above all other values, has poisoned the world's financial system. Traditional ethics and morality in finance died under a fascist globalization of self serving greed and universal salesmanship. Fascism is when you are forced to look only at the ideological surface, told to believe, and told to not question or criticize. When that becomes the result of higher education, and no one blows the whistle, then education is fascist education.

Short of embedding government in finance, the only other alternative to restore rational sanity and trust, is to nationalize the banks.
That has an added advantage, because banks can generate reasonable, albeit small, profits which add up to very substantial amounts. Those profits from strictly regulated, nationalized activity, that cuts the costs consistent with the limitations on those profits, would still generate enough revenue to essentially do away with all income taxes for the largest part of the population. That is, that part of the population that is earning low to medium level incomes. Imagine, nationalized banks, and no income taxes. Honesty, trust, and rationality in banking, but with the advantage of doing away with income taxes. Alternatively that revenue could fund state and federal programs, cutting the deficit while providing better programs, but it amounts to much the same thing. It is a lot of money.

The other advantage of nationalized banking is that the rules are consistently applicable and understandable to all. That cuts the overhead costs. Added advantage is that the rules and methods for collection of debt gain much needed revision, serving financial and social justice in a way that private institutions cannot and never will do. More power to collect on debt, fairly, and more power to forgive debt in genuine hardship cases such as severe illness, natural disaster, victims of violence and crime, and other similar exceptions. The private sector knows little other than tactics of harassment and treachery, a bag of fiscal and psychological tricks of black mail, extortion and intimidation that government regulators and investigators have yet to properly delve into, because they are too busy chasing multi billion dollar fraud and have not yet had time to investigate the massive amount of institutional crime against the little person, where thousands or tens of thousands of dollars are being stolen, and where unfair or even what are or should be illegal practices are rampant, in a system gone too wrong for any real salvation.

Bob Ezergailis

Anyone may copy, reproduce, distribute, this article in any form by any means, anywhere, and in fact is encouraged to do so.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 02:10 PM
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1. CRAP
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 02:10 PM
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2. "Neither a borrower nor a lender be" is Shakespeare, not the Bible.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/%27Neither_a_borrower_nor_lender_be%27_--_which_Shakespeare_play_is_this_quote_from

While I'm very fond of the Bard, I wouldn't put him in the deity category. And since Shakespeare is not God, nor the writer of the Bible, it kind of throws the rest of your post off. :shrug:
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 02:20 PM
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3. As much as I dislike the fundies and their prosperity Gospel, I think the author's argument is
flawed.

To contribute selfishness in finance to fundamentalism is specious reasoning. I think most rational people would tell the author that selfishness is one of our less attractive traits as a species. Moreover, the author fails to establish a direct link between fundamentalists and the finance system. I'd wager dollars to donuts that if one were to take a survey of financiers, one would find that their spiritual leanings would more or less reflect those of the country as a whole - casual practice of mainstream religions, atheism and spiritualism.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 02:23 PM
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4. This argument doesn't hold up very well...
...in the light of, oh, say, facts.

It was the Right, including with great enthusiasm the Christian Right, who treated those who made money via borrowing and lending as heroes, smiled upon by God's Favor. Far from discouraging borrowing and lending, the Christian Right by and large supported the deregulation that allowed the financial sector to go wild.

Of course, after their free market ideology, unfettered by practical concerns, ran headlong into reality and crashed, the Christian Right has certainly tried to rewrite history, and has tried to blame the whole mess on "liberals" who had tried to help some low- and middle-income families obtain mortgages. But there's still no general scorn against borrowing or lending to be found in that criticism, just railing against borrowing by and lending to the "wrong" people.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 02:23 PM
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5. The one thing truly clear in the Bible (regarding finances) is that God really hates usury
Edited on Mon Dec-15-08 02:24 PM by Sebastian Doyle
Scripture References to Usury, Interest


25 " If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest.
26 "If you ever take your neighbor's garment as a pledge, you shall return it to him before the sun goes down.
27 "For that is his only covering, it is his garment for his skin. What will he sleep in? And it will be that when he cries to Me, I will hear, for I am gracious. (Exodus 22:25-27)
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35 ' If one of your brethren becomes poor, and falls into poverty among you, then you shall help him, like a stranger or a sojourner, that he may live with you.
36 'Take no usury or interest from him; but fear your God, that your brother may live with you.
37 'You shall not lend him your money for usury, nor lend him your food at a profit. (Leviticus 25:35-37)
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19 " You shall not charge interest to your brother -- interest on money or food or anything that is lent out at interest.
20 "To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess. (Deuteronomy 23:19,20)
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10 "I also, with my brethren and my servants, am lending them money and grain. Please, let us stop this usury!
11 "Restore now to them, even this day, their lands, their vineyards, their olive groves, and their houses, also a hundredth of the money and the grain, the new wine and the oil, that you have charged them." (Nehemiah 5:10,11)
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5 He who does not put out his money at usury, Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved. (Psalm 15:5)
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8 One who increases his possessions by usury and extortion Gathers it for him who will pity the poor. (Proverbs 28:8)
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24:1 Behold, the LORD makes the earth empty and makes it waste, Distorts its surface And scatters abroad its inhabitants.
2 And it shall be: As with the people, so with the priest; As with the servant, so with his master; As with the maid, so with her mistress; As with the buyer, so with the seller; As with the lender, so with the borrower; As with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3 The land shall be entirely emptied and utterly plundered, For the LORD has spoken this word. (Isaiah 24:1-3)
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10 Woe is me, my mother, That you have borne me, A man of strife and a man of contention to the whole earth! I have neither lent for interest, Nor have men lent to me for interest. Every one of them curses me. (Jeremiah 15:10)
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7 If he has not oppressed anyone, But has restored to the debtor his pledge; Has robbed no one by violence, But has given his bread to the hungry And covered the naked with clothing;
8 If he has not exacted usury Nor taken any increase, But has withdrawn his hand from iniquity And executed true judgment between man and man;
9 If he has walked in My statutes And kept My judgments faithfully -- He is just; He shall surely live!" Says the Lord GOD. (Ezekiel 18:7-9)
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13 If he has exacted usury Or taken increase -- Shall he then live? He shall not live! If he has done any of these abominations, He shall surely die; His blood shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:13)
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17 Who has withdrawn his hand from the poor And not received usury or increase, But has executed My judgments And walked in My statutes -- He shall not die for the iniquity of his father; He shall surely live! (Ezekiel 18:17)
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12 "In you they take bribes to shed blood; you take usury and increase; you have made profit from your neighbors by extortion, and have forgotten Me," says the Lord GOD. (Ezekiel 22:12)


And of course, in the gospels, Jesus is very clear about "doing unto the least of these". So anyone in the financial industries who claims to be a practicing Christian or Jew is going to have to answer to the Big Guy Upstairs for breaking His laws.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 02:32 PM
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6. I believe the admonition of Scripture
is to lend and not borrow. That would be Old Testament - and many of the "name it, claim it" fundamentalist Christians confess this as part of their identity as a believer. In the New Testament we see believers living together in what appears to have been a somewhat communal manner and we see examples of giving alms to the poor. A cannon that embraces and admonishes its believers to lend rather than borrow cannot be said to find finance evil be definition.

IMHO folks who do not understand the beliefs of fundamentalism and the "reasoning" of the faithful are poorly prepared to criticize and critique. Faith based voters make decisions for faith based reasons. If you want to change that then you need to be able to speak the language of those voters and show them in faith based terms why their reasoning is wrong. This article is deeply and fatally flawed.
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