Who has killed more, Satan or God?

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http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/who-has-killed-more-satan-or-god.html?rf=39m

Or, for a more in depth look:
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/how-many-has-god-killed.html

:rofl:

[G2099]

1. Satan is a little god who kills by the permission of the Supreme GOD

Plain and simple truth.

[godhatesrepublicans]

2. Technically it was oxygen deprivation to the brain that killed them.

[lvx35]

3. Yeah, God pretty much kills everyone.

It's sort of a rift between most people of faith and what I see as a typical atheistic understanding of faith...Atheists argue against a loving God on the basis of people dying, while people of faith tend to see it as God's job to end lives.

[trotsky]

9. The sticking point is certain events as described in the bible...

and other holy texts, which is what those links go into. Where death isn't just the natural order of things (with which atheists have no problem), but instead where god has purposely acted to terminate lives - such as the purported global flood, the story of Sodom & Gomorrah, the slaughter of innocent Egyptian children, and on and on. If you believe these things happened, it's pretty much impossible to try and reconcile them with the idea of a loving, peaceful god.

[and-justice-for-all]

4. MAN has killed in G-ds name the most!

GODS are make believe...

[Solo_in_MD]

5. I think Stalin and the Chinese Communist have them beat

[Random_Australian]

6. Nah, but replace the names "in the name of power"

and you will beat out in the name of God, after all, many a killing in the name of God was also for power. It wins on overlap.

P.S.

If you want to say that Stalin did all that in the name of atheism, or for anything to do with atheism, then prepare for an argument!

[Prophet 451]

8. Possibly true in Stalin's case

But, Stalin's death toll had nothing to do with his athieism and everything to do with his paranoia.

[Zhade]

20. Do you mean Mao?

Neither he nor Stalin killed in the name of, because of, or for atheism, so it's a false analogy.

[Prophet 451]

7. Fascinating but also unsurprising

Having said for years that God was a pretty brutal bastard, it's always nice to have it confirmed.

Of course, it's interesting that even the Bible, God's propoganda piece, lists him as killing millions. A subtle threat perhaps, the "I have no surviving enemies" boast?

[Ron Green]

10. What a third-grade question.

I'm amazed at the concept of God swallowed by people on this otherwise intelligent website, not only simple-minded believers but those who seek to deny or disprove the existence of any God.

It's like, "Who's stronger, Jesus or Superman?"

[beam me up scottie]

12. You're calling DU christians "simple-minded believers"?

Are they supposed to be less insulted if another christian slams them?

And where's the outrage, believers?

If an atheist had posted that snotty little piece of flame bait, it would have started DU R/T Armageddon.

[Ron Green]

18. Actually, I was applying equal scorn to both sides. I don't think there

are many simple-minded believers here on DU, far fewer than in the general population. The idea that God and Satan are a couple of big dudes who kill people is a childish concept held by those who wish to disparage the concept of God, as well as by morons.

And you're right, I don't believe there are many morons on DU.

[Zhade]

21. Well, lots of people believe in the OT, and god kills people in the OT.

NT!

[salvorhardin]

13. D'oh! Superman was stronger of course.

Jesus may have been the son of a god, but aside from a few side-show miracles he was just a man. Superman on the other hand was the super-powered heir to a world that isn't there anymore. Come on, he could turn back time just by flying around the Earth real fast! What did Jesus have? That whole resurrection thing? Pfft! Superman's been there, done that one too.

Seriously though, what's up with that simple-minded believers thing? Are you intentionally caricaturing your simple-minded impression of atheists?

Apologies to Ookla the Mok.
http://www.otmfan.com/ssclub/html/mso.htm

[Random_Australian]

24. Looks like someone did not get why he tacked the 'rofl' smilie on

the end.

The very reason this was considered funny is that people here are not trying that crap - it is immature enough to be funny.

Looks like you've been in too many not-so-nice websites lately, can't blame you for bieng suspicious after what I have seen out there. Rest easy - there are some big brains here in R/T.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

11. I don't think God or Satan kill anybody

they just die. Because they were sick, old, injured, etc.

[Zhade]

19. So you believe the tales in the OT to be metaphorical?

Because the god described in those stories kills a LOT of people - by flood, fire, famine, his own hand...

But if metaphorical, what's this god's intended meaning? "Cross me and DIE"?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

22. Of course they are metaphor

and myth. There is wisdom in the OT but there's some wierd shit in there as well.

I'm more a NT kind of person, although St. Paul and I have some differences. I hope to get in his face one day and call him on a few of his statements. But then he was a product of his time and culture.

[The Jacobin]

14. The blog looks at deaths in the Bible.

In the old testament, there are lots of people being slain by the hand of God's chosen warriors. Read the book of Joshua - it's terrifying. City after city is sacked and all the men, women, and children are "put to the sword."

Your question is broader. Does God kill people or allow people to be killed? Since the first is morally unacceptable, the truth must lie in the later. The eternal question, repeated at funerals hourly, is why?

[neebob]

15. But ... but ...

didn't God say, "Thou shalt not kill?" Would you believe I've never even thought about that - and yet I'm an atheist? That's how simple minded I am!

When I was in third grade, my teacher wanted to put me in the fourth grade, but my parents said no. They were all, "Nope, you just keep her in the third grade." I'm sure it has something to do with my liking this question.

[cosmik debris]

16. that subject was covered in another thread

It seems that some believe that "Thou shalt not kill" means don't kill: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=85283&mesg_id=85731

While others tell me that the church can tell me who to kill: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=85283&mesg_id=86041

And another point of view is that it is a personal decision on who to kill:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=85283&mesg_id=85488

(Some people don't recognize the irony of taking god out of the decision making process!)

[neebob]

17. I guess I didn't read that thread

or if I did, I didn't think about God saying, "Thou shalt not kill," but then doing it himself and/or sanctioning others doing it in his name. I just always assumed it meant no one should kill anyone and was never confused about it, even before I stopped believing in God.

Don't mind me; I'm stuck over here in the third grade. Carry on!

[dattaswamI]

23. Where from Satan came?

Where from Satan came?

Then people ask from where Satan came and from what source he got his power? The answer is that the same producer and director of the movie, who appointed one actor as hero has appointed another as the villain. The villain is also remunerated like the hero. Sometimes the producer-cum-director can enter the movie in the role of a hero and such a role is called as the human incarnation of the Lord. The villain opposes the hero in the cinema. The hero wins over the villain, giving a good message to the spectators. But remember that the hero, who is the producer, has remunerated the villain and also directed every action of the villain as the director of the whole picture.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
[e-mail]

[Random_Australian]

25. Word of advice - don't post your email.

We get trolls and spammers here sometimes.

The mods can tell them to clear off if they spam the forum, but it is not like they can stop people from looking.