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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 12:56 PM
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Interesting. Report: Manny test indicated 'steroids'
The Los Angeles Times reported Friday that, because Manny Ramirez's drug test showed elevated testosterone levels but no human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG), some anti-doping experts feel that result indicates that some other substance may have caused the raised level.

The paper reported that the tests, plus the way Major League Baseball responded, indicated that Ramirez "used steroids."

As ESPN reported earlier this week, Ramirez and his representatives were prepared to appeal his 50-game ban for violating Major League Baseball's drug policy based on the fact that test results from a World Anti-Doping Agency lab in Montreal showed that he had an elevated level of synthetic testosterone. Ramirez's representatives intended to argue he had taken a steroid precursor known as DHEA, according to two sources.

DHEA isn't on baseball's banned-substance list, but is banned by WADA.

Professor Christiane Ayotte, director of the WADA-accredited lab in Montreal where Ramirez's sample was tested, told the Los Angeles Times that her lab knew that DHEA was not on baseball's banned list. One source told the Times that baseball had three "powerful analytic foundations" to say the positive drug test was not caused by DHEA.

Because of that, sources told the Times, MLB would not have declared a positive drug test if DHEA was the only reason. And therefore, the test must have shown something else.

ESPN reported earlier that testing showed Ramirez had used hCG, which is typically used by steroid users to restart their bodies' natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO.

After the drug test showed an elevated level of synthetic testosterone, an appeal of Ramirez's ban was scheduled for May 6. MLB's legal team intended to use expert testimony to cite evidence it believed showed DHEA could not have been the cause of the synthetic testosterone.

However, in the days before the hearing, the MLB players' union turned over Ramirez's medical records -- and they including a prescription written for hCG. That was enough to secure a 50-game suspension, Ramirez dropped the appeal, and sources told ESPN that baseball then didn't test to find out what actually caused the increased levels.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4168328

Let me get this straight...the drug test showed elevated synthetic testosterone levels, but they banned him for the prescription of hCG. And MLB didn't pursue *what* caused the elevated testosterone. That's kind of funny.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:16 PM
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1. Bush ran the country better than Selig runs baseball.
That's the only answer that fits. :)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 03:53 PM
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2. He had T levels FOUR times higher than a 'normal' man. nt
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:03 PM
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3. 2007 he hit 20 HR's...in his time alone with the Dodgers in 2008 he hit 27...
...someone was juicing to get a big contract.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 09:40 PM
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 11:15 PM
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5. As far as baseball was concerned 50 games is 50 games.
So, they had him either way.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 10:51 AM
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6. I don't get it - he had elevated testosterone, which could have been caused by
something that isn't banned. The test specifically did not find the thing that is banned, but he had a prescription for that thing, and so he was suspended? :shrug:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 12:25 PM
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7. MLB is reporting his test level being 4 times the normal count.
There is nothing, short of hardcore anabolics, that will do that to a man of his age. Not even the steroid precursors ever worked that well. The combination of the massively elevated levels of testosterone coupled with the script for hCG was enough for MLB.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:06 AM
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8. The interesting question, of course
Is could he have won an appeal, without any additional evidence from MLB? From what I've seen he had a decent chance but basically decided to take a 50 game vacation instead.
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