RS Endorses Obama

[Tyo]

This comes as no surprise at all. "A New Hope" the cover reads. And there he is firm, purposeful, almost steely. A little more animation and he could be the lead comrade in one of those onward-to-the-future posters from 1950s China.

I haven’t read it yet because reading hagiographic articles about Obama provokes much the same response from my stomach that listening to George Bush does. Sooner or later though I’ll have to see what they have to say. And knowing Rolling Stone, I don’t think they’ll give him a totally free pass.

Or maybe I’ll just put it away until we are about three years into the Obama presidency. It might be interesting at that point to see how all the hoping and dreaming of 2008 stacks up against the reality of 2011.

By the way, I know this belongs in GDP, but I also know what will happen if I post it there and it will not be…. productive. But if the mods want to move it they can feel free.

Postscript
I had to read it. It’s worse than I expected. These two quotes sum it up…

Obama has emerged by displaying precisely the kind of character and judgment we need in a president: renouncing the politics of fear, speaking frankly on the most pressing issues facing the country and sticking to his principles. He recognizes that running for president is an opportunity to inspire an entire nation.

But it might be more to the point to view Obama as Lincolnesque in his own origins, his sobriety and what history now demands.

Lincolnesque? Sticking to his principles? Wenner has obviously drunk long and deeply. Obama's attitude toward gays represents a crack in his vaunted principles big enough to drive a Humvee through yet even Rolling Stone doesn't see fit to point this out.

If God had told Obama that I donno, say, Asians, did not have the right to marry RS would probably have said something about it. But when it's directed at gays, silence. Is there any doubt that when it comes down to it we count for very little?

[hulklogan]

1. Rolling Stone has been irrelevant since Kurt Cobain died.

That said, I'm sure we'll hear thousands of Obama supporters trumpeting this endorsement as the greatest editorial decision ever.

[Jamastiene]

25. RIP Kurt.

[John Q. Citizen]

2. I guess some people feel don't ask don't tell was a high point in gay rights. I never did. I saw

it as the ultimate sell out. Much worse than a few ralleys with Denny.

Bill Clinton was Commander in Chief.

He could have ordered the military to quit discriminating. But he didn't. He saw it as costing too much political capital. So he broke his campaign promise to GLBT and saved himself the hassle. Clinton's message was stay in the closet. It was seperate but equal, a half assed cowardly road to travel.

Obama has been far from silent. He went into the church where MLK preached and told the people there to quit being hypocrites. I think that took some measure of courage you will never see in either Clinton.

Courage has never been their strong suit, and equality always requires courage.

I could be wrong, but i think you will be surprised. I think Obama will display courage when it comes to civil rights.

Quit wishing for bad luck and knocking on wood.

[WillParkinson]

3. I'm pleased you are optimistic...

I, however, am not.

We'll be under the bus, again. Give me your money, give me your votes, now back to the closet with you.

[Tyo]

4. When Obama says that his god has changed His mind

And that gays really are deserving of full equality then Obama can claim to support our civil rights without being a hypocrite. Until then all his speeches before the Fundies are essentially one hypocrite talking to the hypocrites assembled.

[LostinVA]

5. In case you haven't noticed, Hillary is running, not Bill

Obama has shown himself to be plenty willing to throw GLBT Americans under the bus, without so much as an apology.

Hillary has been supportive of the GLBT community since her early work with AIDS in Arkansas. And, I doubt I'll ever see Obama marching in a pride parade.

[dsc]

17. that is a total, complete, and utter lie

Clinton couldn't order the military to end the ban due to the fact that sodomy was against the uniform code of military justice which took then, and would take now, an act of Congress to repeal. This isn't my opinion it is unshakeable fact and I am getting tired of people making crap up in this regard.

[John Q. Citizen]

19. Unfortunatly, if you admit to being a celebate gay you are still kicked out.

Sodomy: What Is It?
Sodomy is most commonly legally defined as any contact between the genitals of one person, and the mouth or anus of another. The word has its origins in Christianity. It is sometimes used to mean sexual deviation, though in legal contexts it is defined as above. Throughout history, "sodomites," mostly male homosexuals and bestialists, have been punished by a largely theocratically controlled government, in hopes of stamping out "ungodly practices" that might bring divine retribution against Christian society. In medieval Europe, intercourse between a male field worker and a noble woman was legally considered "sodomy," as it was thought to cause a poor harvest. The history of the concept of sodomy is tied to the Church in most every case.

Currently, there is no federal sodomy law, though some federal land falls under maritime jurisdiction, which may have sanctions in some cases. 25 states do not have sodomy laws. 5 states have laws pertaining to homosexual sodomy only, and the remaining 20 states, plus the District of Columbia, have laws covering all sodomy, even between heterosexuals

http://www.gaylib.com/text/clas12.htm

[dsc]

22. It is in the UMCJ

and the rest were overturned by SCOTUS. And the celebrate gays get kicked out due to the presumption they will engage in sodomy.

[TheWraith]

26. No, it's not. It's because being gay is against military policy.

Straight people don't get kicked out because it's presumed that they're going to someday participate in non-coital sex, despite studies showing that nearly all do at one point or another. So it's not a reasonable assumption that gay people would HAVE to be kicked out simply because one assumes that they're going to engage in sodomy. (Which the UCMJ defines as "unnatural carnal copulation," regardless of genders.) They're kicked out because being gay is still technically against military rules--DADT only means that it's against rules for the military to ask recruits whether they're gay or not.

Furthermore, it does NOT take an act of Congress to decriminalize sodomy. All it takes is a decision by the DOD's General Counsel... which, by the way, is a presidential appointee.

[mitchtv]

20. Oh yes the Savior has come

talks a mean streak all right, but won't have his picture taken with Gavin Newsome, Politics Mcclurkin- Politics again. He will do nothing for gays except pander to haters when necessary. Give me a f'n break this guy is a joker, and gays are being set up to be his "Sista Soulja"moment

[Tyler Durden]

6. And he is LYING about his "Faith!"

http://www.ucc.org/news/general-synod-calls-for-full-marriage-equality.htm

The UCC unconditionally supports SAME SEX MARRIAGE and complete and utter Equal Treatment Under The Law.

Obama claims UCC membership. So where's his EXCUSE?

[Tyo]

8. Seems to me like an honest person in this situation

would either be working to change the church policies with which he or she disagrees or would find a different church which has policies that more accurately reflect his or her views.

Obama, if he is to be morally consistent, should be urging the UCC to reverse its position on marriage equality for gays or he should be shopping around for a church that holds, like he does, that marriage can only be between a man and a woman.

[Tyler Durden]

9. What, and give up all the recomendations from his home church?

They've gone WAY out on a limb for him, and now the national synod is fighting removal of Tax Exempt status.

Sounds a little UNGRATEFUL to ME.

[Tyo]

11. There's probably room under Obama's bus for the UCC too n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

10. Clinton doesn't support same sex marriage. Her weekly prayer group is composed of the

biggests enemies there are of civil rights.

Hillary panders to gays. She marches in a parade and then supports DOMA.

Wise up. Rise up. Kissing ass on a panderer isn't couragous, it's pathetic.

[Tyler Durden]

12. You said it...I didn't.

Kissing ass on a panderer, that is.

I took you off ignore to read this? BIG mistake.

[NMMNG]

24. Did I tell you or did I tell you?

No chance for rational discussion. Just deflect and ignore.

[Tyo]

13. This is not an exercise in compare and contrast

Rejecting Obama does not automatically translate into supporting Clinton. Some of us do support her. Others, like me, find her problematic. But, as Obama fans never tire of reminding us, Obama is rolling right now and is the probable nominee.

Assuming that they are right about this, if they and their candidate can't deal with heat now what's going to happen when the Rethugs roll up their sleeves and go to work on him? He needs to respond to these things as his own man rather than hiding behind the record of his opponent. Hillary is not going to be there to shield him forever.

[Tyler Durden]

14. With the Obama PARTISANS it's ALWAYS an exercise in compare and contrast.

Let's just hope (to coin a phrase) that November consists mainly of fireworks and not "The China Syndrome."

My SO Deb says get ready for President McCain. She called 2000. That scares me.

[John Q. Citizen]

15. My candidate was Kucinich. But now that it's come down to Obama or Clinton

the choice for me is very clear.

And assuming Obama win the nomination, the choice will still be clear.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. DOMA happened many years ago and had it not happened

we would have a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between one man and one woman

the climate 12-15 years ago was also very different

[twandx]

7. Lincolnesque and...

Jack Kennedyesque and MLK esque. When he announced his candidacy he likened himself to Abraham Lincoln. The media made much of another tall, lanky Lincolnesque candidate coming out of Illinois.
From then on, he wrapped himself into one great American after another. Why? Because when one has little experience or substance, one either fakes it or steals the accomplishments of someone else. BO, a latter day Icarus, has flown high, using the wax and feathers of famous men. If he should be nominated and elected president, his trip to the sun will bring us all down in flames with him.

[Zuiderelle]

18. Welcome to DU, twandx.

That's a very well-written post. :thumbsup:

[Tyo]

21. Where are my manners twandx?

Welcome:hi: I did't even notice that you've just joined us. Glad you're here!

[MuseRider]

23. Welcome

and WOW, I like the way you said all that. :hi: