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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:24 PM
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IRA Turning To Attacks On Gays
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/03/031305ulster.htm

Terrorists from the Irish Republican Army are reportedly targeting gays now that they have abandoned their war against the British government.

As the political wing of the IRA concentrates on peaceful talks about the future of Ireland with the government in London, members of the military wing in Northern Ireland have turned into marauding bands - robbing banks and beating gay men.

A gay student in Londonderry has gone into hiding after receiving threats from men he says identified themselves as IRA members.

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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:25 PM
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1. IRA, al-Qaida--- NO DIFFERENCE.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:36 PM
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2. Don't they have more important things to worry about?
Fucking idiots.

Maybe they're just upset because they're not allowed to smoke in the pubs anymore.

What a bunch of pussies. Why don't they find another ARMED enemy to attack?
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ladeuxiemevoiture Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 02:03 PM
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6. Actually, in many ways you're completely right.
Remember OBL and his minions got their start in a totally separate conflict, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. After that conflict was won, they had nothing to do. Some of them went back to their homes in places like Algeria, and joined that Islamic terrorist faction which massacred all those civilians, sought to fly airliners into the Eiffel Tower. Others joined OBL and his al-qaida HQ in Afghanistan.

We could be seeing the same thing here, ennui giving birth to new directions for terrorism, though this gaybashing thing is - at the same time - both appalling and laughable (in the sense that the big, bad IRA isn't so big and bad anymore - they just pick on oppressed minorities).
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 12:39 PM
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3. Sounds to me like they are showing themselves as thugs...
...just looking for a fight, any fight, instead of people with a cause they believe in.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:56 PM
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5. sounds to me like English lies
.
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Meeker Morgan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 03:06 AM
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16. English lies? I don't think so.
Edited on Thu Mar-17-05 03:10 AM by Meeker Morgan
What does England get out of this story?

For that matter what is "free united Ireland" when both sides of the infamous border are members of the EU?

The IRA are simply thugs, not an ideology anymore.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 01:02 PM
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4. disgusting
the IRA used to stand for something--now they're the thugs that they've been portrayed as for all these years

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:15 PM
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7. If you are a useless bunch of thugs you need an enemy to keep your
movement alive. Great! Scapegoating in hateful ways is a thing USA is teaching the world.
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Langley85 Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:59 AM
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8. IRA are terrorists
US politicians have gotten their pictures taken with IRA leaders. Americans have donated money to them. It wouldn't be ok with Al Queda, so why is it ok for the IRA? Fortunately it seems it's not ok anymore, as the IRA have pretty much destroyed any right to call themselves "freedom fighters" by attacking defenseless civilians like the common criminal thugs they are.
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IrishDemocrat Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 03:30 PM
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9. I'm for Irish nationalism
But this is just cowardice. These are my ancestral people and yes they were oppressed, but this is a bad way of showing it. They expect tolerance shown to themselves and can't show it to others.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 04:12 PM
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10. Franky, I read the article, and I am amazed at how it is taken
as gospel on very little information. All who call them terrorists must remember that military occupation is violence.
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:25 PM
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12. They're not "oppressed."
A majority of Northern Irish wish to remain British. If put to a popular vote in Northern Ireland, staying in the United Kingdom would be the choice of over 60% of the population.

All the citizens of Northern Ireland are full British nationals with passports and MPs sitting in London. All areas should be so "oppressed."
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 04:16 PM
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11. unlike however, the uncommon criminal thugs who call themselves
Unionists,(who never target civilians),and unlike the common English thugs who are occupying most of Ulster
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 06:26 PM
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13. The whole nationalist project is a farce.
Most people in Northern Ireland don't want to be part of the Republic, period. Most want to remain British. And most of the Republic doesn't want Northern Ireland and the problems it would bring, period.

The IRA is a remnant of the sort of racist, black-and-white ethnic nation state thinking that Europe is thankfully abandoning (albeit slowly).
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 06:10 AM
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18. Let me get this straight...
If we invade and conquer Ontario, dispossess the indigenous people there of their property, encourage New Yorkers and Vermonters to populate the area, hold onto it for 500 years by force of arms, fight a revolution to a standstill, gerrymander an area that includes a majority of New Yorkers and Vermonters, etc., then the indigenous people in Ontario aren't 'oppressed', simply because we give them a few Congressmen and passports in Washington?

How's that again?

:wtf:
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 02:46 PM
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19. Your comparison is ludicrous. . .
And if a strong majority (over 60%) of Ontarians in your scenario wanted to remain Americans, would it be the right of the 40% to bomb, kill, murder, rape, sell drugs and do everything else the IRA have done to "free" the 40%?

Of course not.

The IRA is a criminal gang masquerading around in the cheap and tawdry clothing of ethnic nationalist "oppression" that the extreme fringes have provided them with. Nothing more.
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Meeker Morgan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 03:12 AM
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17. unlike the common English thugs
Edited on Thu Mar-17-05 03:19 AM by Meeker Morgan
The "Irish freedom" situation has nothing to do with the current IRA.

Indeed, what is "Irish freedom" when all are members of th EU?

The Ulster Unionists are equivalent to our Republican party (bad), but the IRA are equivalent to the Mafia (very bad).

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:23 PM
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15. Why don't they just declare war on snakes?
The IRA should expend all their time and resources trying to elimate all the snakes from Ireland.

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Meeker Morgan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:43 AM
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14. When men claim Ireland's freedom ...
Bastards!
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