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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 06:07 PM
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Study: Electricity kills cancer cells
http://www.physorg.com/news11697.html

Scientists from Old Dominion University and Eastern Virginia Medical School say they've killed melanomas in mice using high-powered jolts of electricity.

Using extremely short, high-voltage doses of electricity, the researchers told the Virginian-Pilot they've never had a tumor that did not respond to the treatment.

Richard Nuccitelli, associate professor of electrical and computer engineering at Old Dominion, said the method might eventually turn into an effective cancer treatment.

The electric bursts often disrupted the blood flow to the tumor cells and shrunk their nuclei by 50 percent, Nuccitelli said. The tumors died after two or three weeks of treatments, each session involving hundreds of electrical pulses, each less than one-one millionth of a second and carrying 4,000 volts.

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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 06:09 PM
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1. finally...a legitimate use of tasers!
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 06:17 PM
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2. Good news/Bad news
Man died from police tasering. But the autopsy showed his cancer had completely disappeared!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 01:26 AM
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3. don't let the pharmaceutical companies find out . . .
they'll try to ban electricity to protect their highly profitable cancer drugs . . .
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 09:10 PM
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33. Hah - I'll just stand out in an open field with a large metal pole during
a lightning storm.

That'll show 'em.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 01:09 PM
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4. Well, sure.
When you have a nice localized group of cancer cells, anything that would also take out healthy cells can be selectively applied to the tumor and kill just the cancer cells.

Electricity, radiation, chemicals, you name it.

Problem is, this kind of therapy is wholly unlike other quackery like the Zapper, yet people will take the findings "electricity cures cancer!" and assume this is proof the Zapper works.
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RedOnce Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 02:41 PM
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5. Well sure?
Did you read the article?

"The electric bursts often disrupted the blood flow to the tumor cells and shrunk their nuclei by 50 percent, Nuccitelli said. The tumors died after two or three weeks of treatments...

The treatment produced no scarring and did not harm adjacent cells. All of the research mice survived, with no ill effects."


I know nothing about the Zapper. Please enlighten me. How is this different?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 02:50 PM
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6. Of course I read it.
Apparently you are reading more into that statement than I am. I would not expect adjacent cells to be harmed, if they did not have current passing through them, right? I don't think this is some kind of magical phenomenon where the healthy cells are innately "protected" from harm by the electricity - do you?

Ugh, the Zapper. http://www.paradevices.com/
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RedOnce Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:05 PM
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7. Yes, I could be reading into it. I guess we'll have to wait...
for the study.

However, the concept of "targeted therapies" which can selectively target cancer cells and minimize damage to normal, healthy cells is not new or magical. They simply make use of the differences between cancer and healthy cells.

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RedOnce Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 06:14 PM
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8. Electrical impedance scanning is a novel (and non-magical)
imaging technique based on differential electrical conductivity and capacitance of malignant and normal human tissues. EIS is a potentially useful imaging modality for differentiating thyroid neoplasms.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retri...

This is one way to electrically differentiate malignant vs. healthy tissue. So, why would "magical phenomenon" necessarily be required to make use of electricity to kill malignant while sparing healthy tissue?

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 06:26 PM
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9. It all depends on the type of cancer, the type of tumor,
and who knows how many other factors. Keep in mind that "differential electrical conductivity and capacitance of malignant and normal human tissues" doesn't necessarily translate into "if we apply a particular electrical current to the whole body, it will only kill cancerous tissue." That study was about pinpointing and sizing tumors (for extraction via other means, I assume).
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RedOnce Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 06:35 PM
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10. I agree.
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RedOnce Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:07 AM
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16. The abstract reads:
"Pulsed electric fields...penetrate into the interior of tumor cells...provides a highly localized targeting of tumor cells with only minor effects on overlying skin."

It seems like the treatment is lethal to the tumor cells with only minor effect on the healthy tissue after the current passes through both.

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 08:40 AM
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19. Do you have a link to that abstract?
It's not mentioned in your original article.
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RedOnce Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 08:45 AM
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21. Sure, see post #14 for the link and the abstract.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 08:53 AM
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22. Ah, got it.
That's the problem with abstracts - so much detail left out. Could it be that the electrical probes are in direct contact with the tumor, and nothing else? Then the "overlying skin" would still not feel any electrical current, but instead only the 3 degree increase in heat, which is certainly not enough to harm tissue.

Not to mention that the top layer of your skin is mostly dead cells.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 09:35 PM
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11. Man dies from sticking hand into fuse panel, cancer now
undetectable....
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MockSwede Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 01:43 PM
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60. Bingo
Love the Tazer idea.

Electric chair works by same principle.

I do think the folks in the medical realm call it electrocautery.

Just had it done by oral surgeon in my son's mouth to vaporize tissue in roof of mouth to expose canine tooth to be lassoed by orthodontist to pull frontward into line with other teeth.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:03 PM
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12. Seems to me that they are re-inventing the Royal Rife Frequency
Generator.

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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:33 PM
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13. not sure about that
Each session consists of "hundreds of electrical pulses, each less than one-one millionth of a second and carrying 4,000 volts."

I know about Rife, but nothing particularly from a technical standpoint. With Rife, would the rate of the "pulses" correspond to various pathogens?

I'm not sure that this is comparable. Actually I would have to know more about Rife and more about what these people are doing, but they say nothing about varying the pulse rate for different types of cancer, for instance.

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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:02 AM
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41. Pretty much
But they have several versions and more options

I find it interesting that everyone knows that viruses and bacteria and mycoplasmas and lyme spirochettes and parasites are common exposures that everyone has and that have health effects on most-
yet many seem to think it strange that zapping such with a frequency device which is relatively easy to do, and easy to demonstrate
that it works, is not an obvious good idea.

Royal Rife knew it, Hulda knows it, lots of people see its an easy solution to big problems.
And the technology isn't that strange these days or hard to develop- one can do it from Radio Shack equipment.
Yet many act as if the idea of a Zapper is strange or worse??
What gives here? For an engineer like me, I don't find it strange or even that unusual.

For any of the various bugs that affect us, its fairly easy to determine the frequency that kills them;
and develop the equipment that will do it. As I've noted- anyone can make one from Radio Shack equipment,
and if you can get access to some bacteria or whatever types of bugs, observe that it will kill them.
And same goes for insects or worms or etc., which can also be killed in the same manner if one wants to.
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RedOnce Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:46 PM
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14. Here is the Abstract and link to the Full Text ($30)

Nanosecond pulsed electric fields cause melanomas to self-destruct


Abstract

We have discovered a new, drug-free therapy for treating solid skin tumors. Pulsed electric fields greater than 20 kV/cm with rise times of 30 ns and durations of 300 ns penetrate into the interior of tumor cells and cause tumor cell nuclei to rapidly shrink and tumor blood flow to stop. Melanomas shrink by 90% within two weeks following a cumulative field exposure time of 240 μs. A second treatment at this time can result in complete remission. This new technique provides a highly localized targeting of tumor cells with only minor effects on overlying skin. Each pulse deposits 0.2 J and 100 pulses increase the temperature of the treated region by only 3 C, ten degrees lower than the minimum temperature for hyperthermia effects.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_ud...

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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:03 AM
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15. I did the same thing with a big fucking mallet
Amazing, I took cancer cells and subjected them to intense bursts of trauma via a very large and frightening mallet. 100% death rate. I hope one day to use my discovery to fight cancer.

Seriously, this is not new. RF ablation of tumors, especially liver tumors has been done for years, as has cryo-ablation and gamma knife for brain malignancies. Focal treatment of cancers using methods which would kill normal cells if not accurately directed has been around for decades.

Extrapolating the notion that electricity kills cancer to pseudoscience nonsense such as the Zapper, championed by some nut in Tijuana whose name escapes me at the moment, is not scientifically supported.
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RedOnce Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:12 AM
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17. Is your mallet capable of "...only minor effects on overlying skin"?
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:45 AM
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18. Obsession with the Zapper?
Why does everyone around her have such an obsession with the Zapper? The only people mentioning it in this thread are the people who look for Zappers behind every door............this therapy does not sound anything like the Zapper to me.

I would love for this research to be pursued though. As you say, RF ablation of tumors is already being done, so why not incorporate variations of these electrical therapies and try to apply them to as many types of cancer as possible? It seems like a great area for research. Melanoma can be quite unpleasant!! I cannot understand why people are negative, except that they don't want any electrical medical research being done because of the Zapper? Sheesh, get over it.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 08:43 AM
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20. "Obsession"
No, what we fear is the traditional huckster swindle: take some valid scientific knowledge, then twist it around and apply it in ways not proven by the research and claim it works. The old bait-and-switch.

Providing intense, brief, and highly localized electric shocks to a cancerous tumor is not something you're going to do at home with something you bought on the Internet. But quacks like Hulda Clark will latch on to this research, even though it's completely different than her theory of disease (everything is caused by parasites in the intestine).

We're not afraid of this research, in fact it seems highly promising. Just exercise appropriate caution and restraint from assuming the findings mean more than they do.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 11:04 AM
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23. A little precision, please
The "Zapper" is more accurately identified as Dr. Hulda Clark's Whacko-Quacko-Zappo Machine, and it's designed to have one effect: to seperate the desperate and/or the credulous from their money.

I can't speak for Trotsky, but my "obsession" with this fraudulent device stems from my disgust at the hucksters and charlatans who market this and similarly worthless devices or services. Additionally, I am perpetually disappointed by the otherwise intelligent people who have been fleeced by these charlatans and who still defend them and their worthless services.

The lack of critical thinking evidenced by many here (and elsewhere) gives a really grim diagnosis of the state of the country's rational health.

That is the source of my obsession.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 11:24 AM
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24. well here is MY problem
Half of the threads around here, like this one, that have nothing to do with the so-called zapper, end up having the same four or five people start bashing it. If this thread were about the zapper, then it would be understandable. So where is the actual lack of precision? Okay, there is some sort of herbal study that shows something or other. TIME TO BASH THE ZAPPER. Someone says that medical errors kill people. BASH THE ZAPPER. Someone may something about homeopathy. BASH THE ZAPPER. I have no problem with your bashing the zapper if you want. But when it turns up in every thread, with no prior mention of it in that thread, it borders on obsession. AND it is imprecise--VERY imprecise. Frankly it makes a few people look a little looney, and it is not the people that you think.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 11:38 AM
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25. Not without good reason
For pure ridiculousness, Dr. Clark's Whacko-Quacko-Zappo Machine ranks right up there with magnetic bracelets intended to cure tendonitis or whatever, and Dr. Clark charges a lot more for her crackpot pseudocure than bracelet-purveyors generally do.

Proponents of the Whacko-Quacko-Zappo Machine, including the dubious Dr. Clark herself, claim that it can rid the body of even very advanced cancer in just days through its careful application of electricity. Her claims are bullshit and have been demonstrated to be bullshit, but she still uses them to sell her bullshit machine.

So when a thread pops up about an actual study showing that electricity can kill cancer cells, Trotsky and I (probably among others) recognized that advocates would likely begin praise this study in support of the Whacko-Quacko-Zappo Machine.

In fact, I predict that Dr. Clark's own advertisements will soon begin citing the study as proof that her bullshit claims have merit.

So the Whacko-Quacko-Zappo Machine is emblematic of the pervasive problem of fraudulent pseudoscience, and some opponents of pseudoscience have chosen it as a fitting caricature of the whole fraudulent industry.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:22 PM
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26. does she sell the machines?
Ok, even though it is off topic here and most places you guys talk about it, here goes--

"but she still uses them to sell her bullshit machine."

Really? For some reason I thought she did NOT sell the machine, but gave directions on how to make it. Of course that wouldn't stop anyone else from selling it. I would be very interested in any evidence that H. Clark actually sells the machine.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:29 PM
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27. Yes indeed!
Edited on Wed Mar-15-06 12:31 PM by Orrex
Here, for example, and here's Clark's official hucksterism HQ.

You can Google "Dr Clark Zapper" or similar combination to come up with a treasure trove of quack remedies.

Numerous sites declare outright that Dr. Clark can cure cancer with this device.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:58 PM
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29. frequency generator
The first site isn't hers. It *does* appear that she is selling a frequency generator on her site. I'm not sure why anyone would want a frequency generator. Aren't there some really cheap software programs that will generate frequencies? I would imagine so.

I'm kind of interested in TENS machines, though I don't think it has anything to do with this thread. I would steer people towards Dr. Norman Shealy--

http://www.normshealy.net /

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:11 PM
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30. Well, her site or not, she's selling them.
I'd wager that anyone who sells "Dr. Clark's Zapper Machine" has to give dear Hulda a cut of the take, whether they're selling through her site or through their own.

I don't know anything about Shealy, but I'll check him out. Thanks for the link.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:36 PM
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28. THANK YOU for a little bit of truth here.
Dr. Clarke give directions re: how to make a zapper. She specifically states in her book that one should not spend $$ on some of the advertized 'zappers', as the one she gives directions for works just as well and cost only a few dollars to make.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:15 PM
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31. Okay, so she's a huckster for the uncritical-yet-thrifty consumer
Edited on Wed Mar-15-06 01:17 PM by Orrex
In fact, she does sell them. Check out this page from her very own website. And whether she charges $0 or she charges $100, she's a charlatan marketing a dangerous device to the credulous and desperate.

Better to spend a few dollars on a device that does nothing than to spend a lot of money on drugs that might actually work, right?

There's one born every minute. That is the little bit of truth here.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 03:39 PM
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32. You bet your ass she sells them. And lots more junk.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 10:21 PM
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36. You seem to be in error
You have posted before about a cure for disseminated breast cancer, yet failed to respond when asked about details. What was the stage, how was the cancer diagnosed, what was the histological diagnosis, after treatment, how were you followed up. Yes, a bunch of personal info you can decline to comment on, but you brought the subject up in another post, so it should be fair game for me to ask.

As for you little bit of truth, again Trotsky nailed it, your in error.

Why is my interest in your breast cancer cure important? I want to understand the particulars because I would hate to have another person similarly diagnosed opt for your treatment plan without a clear understanding of the results. Perhaps you are cured, great. Please share with us the details.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 01:32 AM
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50. Gerson therapy a fraud?
I wonder why I cannot get a response from Quakerfriend. A miraculous cure mentioned in another tread, disseminated breast cancer. I am sure all those on this board with friends, family or similarly afflicted would be interested in this cure. 8 years free of cancer.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/treatment/breast...

Well I will leave the issue alone until I see another miraculous post, but for those interested disseminated breast cancer, what was posted in the other tread and claimed to be cured with the Gerson method, is described below.

Systemic disease

Treatment for systemic disease is palliative in intent. Goals of treatment include improving quality of life and prolongation of life. Although median survival has been reported to be 18 to 24 months,<15> some patients experience long-term survival. Among patients treated with systemic chemotherapy at a single institution between 1973 and 1982, 263 patients (16.6%) achieved complete responses. Of those, 49 patients (3.1% of the total group) remained in complete remission for more than 5 years, and 26 patients (1.5%) were still in complete remission at 16 years.


And that is with chemo not Gerson therapy. I would love to post a comparison, but the Gerson clinic does not keep complete records, and what research has been done flatly contradicts the Gerson claims.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/cance...
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 01:40 AM
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51. I was wondering about that myself.
While I'm sure that unexpected reversals do happen, the devil, so to speak, is in the details.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 02:23 AM
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53. Wow, still no response
Am I being offensive, should I shower? What gives?

Your right, I have seen a number of unexpected reversals. I had a patient in residency diagnosed with pancreatic cancer who was still alive four year later. Certainly an unusual tumor.

In fact, the medical literature lists a certain spontaneous remission rate for all comers diagnosed with cancer. Strange how Lourdes has a lower rate of remission than would be expected by natural occurrence. Guess you can conclude that Lourdes causes cancer.

:evilgrin:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 02:47 AM
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54. You're asking the wrong person.
I've been killing a lot of threads lately.

Not to mention I'm single-handedly responsible for costing Dems the last two elections, and quite possibly responsible for any future defeats as well.

BMUS bad.



BTW, is there any correlation between ignorance and longevity?
I sometimes think stupid people may live longer because they don't wear their brain out.
Hell, most of them hardly use it.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #23
42. Whats the basis for your opinion, not science or evidence- her device
Edited on Thu Mar-16-06 01:17 AM by philb
has been demonstrated to do what she says- there's nothing strange or unusual about the technology- as I've noted they can
be made from Radio Shack equipment- off the shelf, and engineers/biologists understand how and why they work.

As I've described on another post.

Apparently lots of people who aren't engineers or biologists find zapping viruses, bacteria, mycoplasmas, lyme spirochettes, parasties, etc. strange- but most have these exposures and they affect most people and its easy to kill them with a frequency device- and easy to demonstrate that it works. And its been done many times in Univ. settings, etc.

But beyond simple things like viruses and bacteria, it seems her zapper is also documented to work even for AIDS/HIV
as a big study in Africa by Australian doctors, monitored by U.S. medical establish, has confirmed:

Study About Frequency Device Published

Bio-Lyfe is an electro medical device that stimulates immunity through electric current. This is the mechanism that Dr. Hulda Clark claims for the "zapper" that she has developed.
Professor Noel Campbell from Australia has conducted a study in Africa and researched the results of using Bio-Lyfe on patients with HIV. In the study, blood samples were taken to determine HIV count and the counts of CD4 and CD8 cell. The results indicated that Bio-Lyfe was effective in reducing HIV, and improving the white blood counts.
Even though the full study has only been released to professionals so far, some of its results are discussed here: http://www.biolyfe.com/product.html .
Low Cost Electrotherapy Treatment Shown to Reduce HIV Viral Load and Prevent Aids
A recent clinical trial in Angola, Africa, using the Immune Booster electrotherapy device, has succeeded in reducing the viral load of patients, while the viral load in a control group more than doubled. The device can be shared as necessary by up to 100 people taking 10 -15 minutes treatment a day.
The 2 month study just completed by Australian scientists in Africa showed that 26 HIV positive patients treated with a multi wave electrotherapy device reduced their HIV viral load by an average 6% -- thus maintaining their health.
At the same time, a control group of 26 HIV patients, who were not treated at all, increased their viral load by an average of 108% during the period of the study.
The device provides a multi-wave electrical signal to two hand held electrodes which stimulates the CD8 immune system cells in the body. These killer CD 8 cells attack the AIDS virus after it enters the body preventing it from infecting new cells and keeping the spread of the virus under control. In the recent clinical trial in Africa it was found that treated patients experienced a 183% increase in CD8 cells. Research from Duke University has indicated the likely mechanism is that CD8 cells are able to identify CD4 cells infected by the AIDS virus, latch on to them and release compounds that cause the infected cell to burst killing it.

It seems zappers are rather neat to have if you happen to have AIDS, or lyme disease, or etc.


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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 10:37 AM
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46. Are you able to post without including a huge infodump?
Really, the huge swaths of cut-and-pasted text are seldom worth slogging through, and they don't help your position.

And before I answer your question, can we both agree that you summarily dismiss any controlled scientific study that doesn't support your claims? We've seen this borne out again and again, and I know that Trotsky has noted it explicitly in several places. I am therefore reluctant to provide information that refutes the esteemed Dr. Clark's Whacko-Quacko-Zappo Machine, since you'll likely reject it outright as being "junk science" or part of some elaborate anti-Clark conspiracy.

But I'll tell you this--the voltages generated by the Quacko-Zappo are insufficient to accomplish what she claims they do, not to mention the lack of target-specificity.

Additionally, there has been absolutely no indepedent verification of Dr. Clark's curative claims, and her own longitudinal follow-up studies have seldom spanned more than a few weeks--far too brief a period to give an accurate assessment of cancer treatment.

Clark is a charlatan. Her advocates are accomplices.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 09:37 PM
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35. Perhaps you have missed the million or so woo-woo articles
I think those which post in this forum with a decidedly caustic edge, myself included, would lighten up if it were not for all the posts about alternative, i.e. lacking scientific evidence, therapies, pseudoscience etc. Yes, Melanoma can be a bitch, I treat people all the time in the great state of Arizona with melanoma. What is even more unpleasant is seeing someone with an advanced stage because they tried to treat the cancer initially with alternative therapy, like the zapper, only to find that many alternative therapies are fraudulent. Death from metastatic melanoma is damn unpleasant.

But you are right, the original post did not allude to the zapper. I may have been a bit too confrontational, I can be the first to admit it. However, the mallet does wonders.

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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #18
40. This thread isn't about zappers, but the zapper has been documented
to kill viruses, mycoplasmas, bacteria, spirochettes, parasites, etc. that are known to cause health prolbems/conditions.

The technology has been known to work for a long time and has been documented to work lots of times, and in study settings, etc.

As I noted, Mayo Clinic confirmed that Royal Rife's equipment cured every cancer case he treated- but he was shut down by FDA-
not because the technique didn't work.

Its easy to see for your self that a zapper kills bacteria, viruses, etc. as lots of people have the ability to perform such experiments and have; and the zappers are used by hundreds of thosands or millions.

But they've been proven in University studies as well- for example regarding cancer:

University of Washington Says Dr. Clark Research Association Zapper is Effective Against Cancer Cells

Dr. Clark Research Association asked Prof. Henry Lai from the University of Washington in Seattle to find out whether the zapper had any effect on cancer cells in the lab. The research work took six months and a considerable amount of wherewithal, but now it is confirmed that the zapper selectively kills cancer cells. Read Prof. Lai's summary here:
http://www.drclark.net/news/lairesearch.htm

What does it mean that it selectively kills cancer cells? That means that healthy cells are not affected while cancer cells are killed. The research showed that in the lab culture after 24 hours there were 42% less cancer cells than without the zapper.
"To be quite frank when I started the research project I expected that the zapper would do nothing", said Prof. Lai. But when he saw how effective the minimal zapper current was on the cancer cell cultures, he stated, "now we must find the mechanism how the cancer cells are killed. If we can do that then I think we can improve the treatment and make it more effective. If we can reduce cancer cells by 42%, we should be able to reduce them by 100%."

Her books sold millions of copies because word of mouth spread the word that her methods usually work and are helpful.
though she is a bit extremist in finding so many things to be problematic in the fast food system we belong to.

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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #40
52. Just sad
Where is the documentation regarding your position that the Mayo clinic confirmed Rife's cancer cures?

Dr Lai is not a medical researcher, he is a bioengeneer, so what? He has done zero clinical research with the zapper, he applied the device to cells in culture. It is big leap to go from lymphocytes in culture and cancer cells in a human beings.

Hulda Clark is a quack, her books have sold millions to unsuspecting, and scientifically illiterate individuals, like you, defrauding the sick and dying for a buck. A bit extremist? Hello, she is a quack. But, then again, you probably think it is all those parasites which inhabit my digestive tract which causes me to think this way?

As I said before, just sad............
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 09:21 PM
Response to Original message
34. Royal Rife had cure for cancer using frequency generator that worked
for all cases treated, per main doctor at Mayo Clinic who followed the treatments.

Hulda Clark has used his technology to develop a similar cure for cancer, zapper,
though she also recommends detox for toxic exposures. She also developed equipment to test for what needs zapping, treating.

Hulda Clark, A Cure of All Cancers, New Century Press, 1993

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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. I had to look up this Rife fellow, found a few interesting bits
I went looking for this Rife fellow and found the following page.

http://www.educate-yourself.org/fc /

To resolve life-threatening disease conditions, drink every drop of your own urine and neither eat nor drink anything else until you are completely well!!


Boy, that sounds yummy. Nothing beats an ice cold glass of golden piss at the end of the day. Please, tell me why you believe in alternative medicine? A Budweiser fan I suspect?

Look at the first part of the page I posted. A bit conspiratorial don't you think, get the reader to buy into fear of government, big business, big medicine.

As for Rife, just another predecessor of the likes of Clark. Yes, I know his research was destroyed just like Tesla, wow another conspiracy.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. drinking urine
I think that is some ayurvedic thing. It has *nothing* to do with Rife, who invented some sort of microscope that could see pleomorphic organisms (as I recall). It was destroyed. He also had a radio frequency device (Beam Ray) using RF frequencies to treat cancer. People actually use Rife therapy today but we are not allowed to interfere with radio transmissions, as the band is all used up, so it is probably not comparable. Anyway, the Rife therpay of today is just a recreated version. At some point he will probably be vindicated. A number of the low level laser therapy devices, even some FDA approved ones, can program in some Rife frequencies. Do people know the Rife frequencies and program them into LLLT and other devices? You betcha. This is in widespread enough use that it would be fruitless to try to suppress it. Again, these devices are legal, in widespread use, and expensive. There are some Rife type recreated devices that are more underground as well.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. Your right Rife was not a urine consumer
The urine thing is mentioned on the page I found which mentions alternative therapies, including Rife. Your correct in pointing out that Rife's work is unrelated. Sorry to cause confusion, just a line of text that caught my eye on the link.

"At some point Rife will be vindicated?" "Laser therapy in Rife frequency ranges?" I am sorry, I am not familiar enough with Rife or his theories to offer more insight. I thought the Ray Beam device operated within radio band width, which would not be compatible with a laser device. As for vindication of his work, what current scientific study supports this claim?

Again, I am ignorant of this gentleman's work perhaps you could help me out......
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #39
44. it's the frequencies
Frequencies can be programmed into many (but not all) of the LLLT devices. At least one that I know of can be programmed with four different frequencies--one from each diode. In general they way people use these is with comparable (derived) *Rife* frequencies. But, as you pointed out, flashing low level laser devices at freqeuncies related to Rife is quite different than using radio waves. So, though they are related, they aren't really comparable. I am far from being an expert in Rife-- I do know that his microscope was supposed to be innovative and remarkable, but it was lost in various raids. There may or may not be a working model somewhere. I don't know. I bet somebody here knows more about Rife than I and can answer more questions.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #37
47. Are you suggesting that the Research Director at Mayo Clinic was a quack??
The Research Director at Mayo Clinic, as a matter of record, among many such doctors observed and confirmed
the results of Royal Rife in curing cancer.

Are you suggesting that Dr. Rosineau who was probably the most estemed doctor in the U.S. at the time was a
quack? or mistaken?

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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 02:59 AM
Response to Reply #47
59. Quack!
Give me a link or post some data which supports your proposition. I could contact the Mayo if you like, I refer patients there on occasion. I wonder what their official opinion would be if I suggested that I was embarking on a Rife Clinical practice because it has been endorsed by the Mayo clinic.

I await your response.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:09 AM
Response to Original message
43. So how do you verify
that you "got" the melenoma?

Lymph node biopsy? Excision of remaining tissue?

The reality on this one is that you are playing with fire. Unless you have some other means of identifying the cancer spread, using this type of untested crap is scary for melonomas.

It might be reasonable for carcinoma's, and very likely would be a good solution for nevi's and other lesions. But to trust a machine to "kill" a very deadly cancer with no followup and no verifiable evidence is very troubling.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #43
45. testing
As far as I know this has only been done experimentally on animals. You will have to ask the researchers.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #43
48. If I had cancer, I wouldn't depend on just one treatment
Edited on Thu Mar-16-06 11:28 PM by philb
testing to find toxic exposures and detox is always beneficial.
National Cancer Institute says that immune boosters like astragalous are extremely beneficial

Hulda(and lots of others including me) suggests getting rid of toxic exposures, testing for toxic exposures and biological agents
(bacteria,viruses,mycoplasmas,lyme spirochettes, parasites) and getting rid of them- by zapping or other methods
kidney and liver cleanses
- my org has no connection to Hulda and I don't normally discuss her stuff, but I'm aware of people who've used her methods and
am aware that she is basically correct on all of these accounts- as supported by medical documentation and other experience

I would also do whatever is out there that has documentation to the effect of being beneficial.
A member of our immediate family recovered from cancer, using a variety of things including St Judes treatment.
The aunt of a friend recovered from diagnosed "incurable & a few months to live" breast cancer using Gerson detox therapy
the wife of one of our coordinators recovered from colon cancer using detox and nutrition
a lady I met while both of us were getting cavitation surgery(incomplete healed tooth extraction site that collects toxics)
for chronic conditions, had been diagnosed with "incurrable cancer" and told she likely had less than a month to live
after cavitation surgery and some of the other things discussed here, she was totally cured in less than a month to the extent there was no evidence of cancer. Such isn't unusual in my experience, and has been documented by such as Weston Price long ago.
I'm a big believer in testing, avoiding toxics, detox, nutrition, and know by personal and family experience and by interactions with thousands over years with chronic conditions and clinics treating them that such works in most cases-



Through my work with thousands with chronic conditions I know of a lot of people who've recovered from cancer


A lot more people are affected by lyme disease and parasites and candida and chronic bacterial and mycoplasma infections than most are aware of; as documented by experts like Dr. Garth Nicholson and other similar who treat people with serious chronic neurological conditions, including Gulf War disease. I hear from CDC and local doctors that we have an epidemic of lyme disease in my ares of Florida, which most would not have been aware would be a lyme hotspot. Someone in my family has had 2 of their secretaries disabled by lyme to the extent of having to retire (they didn't do the right treatment even when suggested) and 2 members of our extended family have been diagnosed (only one had the ring thing, but other had positive blood test) with lyme disease.

They used multiple treatments including both antibiotics(which I don't think is very effective) and Monastery of Herbs treatment which seems to be pretty succesful from reports of people I know who've been treated- as far as I can tell the combo seem to have been successful.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. Clark is a liar and a criminal, and so is anyone who pushes her "cures".
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 12:18 AM by beam me up scottie
I see you've decided to add a disclaimer to your posts about her.

Quite a coincidence that you only do so now, after you found out that her followers are still being prosecuted here.


For the uninitiated, here is the information I posted in the other thread about this criminal:

For Release: December 3, 2004

Swiss Company to Provide Refund to U.S. Consumers

Defendants Sold Worthless Products and Dietary Supplements to Cure Serious Diseases

A Switzerland-based company and its United States counterpart have agreed to provide refunds to its U.S. citizens, as part of a settlement with the Federal Trade Commission. Dr. Clark Research Association, a California company and Dr. Clark Behandlungszentrum GMbH, doing business as Dr. Clark Zentrum, sold a variety of dietary supplements and devices that they alleged cured advanced and terminal cancers, AIDS, and other serious diseases. The FTC alleged that the defendants made unsubstantiated health or safety claims.

In its complaint, the FTC alleged that the defendants advertised, among other things, that:
the “Zapper” (sold as the "Super-Zapper Deluxe") is a device that purportedly kills disease-causing parasites in the body with electricity and is effective in treating serious and chronic diseases like cancer and AIDS;


the “Syncrometer” is a device that purportedly can detect substances within the body and diagnose diseases;


“Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers,” a regimen that includes dietary supplements, purportedly cures advanced cases of cancer and, when used with the “Super-Zapper Deluxe,” renders surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary; and


the “Complete Herbal Parasite Program” - also called the Herbal Parasite Cleanse - is effective to treat serious diseases when used with the Zapper.

The FTC charged that the defendants did not have a reasonable basis to substantiate the claims made in the ads.

To settle the FTC’s charges, the proposed final order prohibits the defendants from making unsubstantiated health or safety claims for any food, drug, dietary supplement, or device. The order also requires the defendants to notify U.S. consumers that they are entitled to full refunds. In addition, the settlement contains various recordkeeping provisions to assist the FTC in monitoring the defendants’ compliance.

The Commission vote authorizing staff to file the settlement in federal district court was 5-0. It was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, Eastern Division, on November 18, 2004, and entered by the court on November 22, 2004.

NOTE: This stipulated final judgment and order is for settlement purposes only and does not constitute an admission by the defendant of a law violation. Stipulated final judgment and order have the force of law when signed by the judge.

Copies of the stipulated final judgment and order are available from the FTC’s Web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC’s Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580. The FTC works for the consumer to prevent fraudulent, deceptive, and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop, and avoid them. To file a complaint in English or Spanish (bilingual counselors are available to take complaints), or to get free information on any of 150 consumer topics, call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357), or use the complaint form at http://www.ftc.gov . The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity theft, and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure, online database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies in the U.S. and abroad.

MEDIA CONTACT:

Brenda Mack
Office of Public Affairs
202-326-2182

STAFF CONTACT:

Michael Milgrom
FTC’s East Central Region - Cleveland
216-263-3419

(FTC Matter No. X030015)
(Civil Action No. 1:03CV0054 JRA)

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/12/drclark.htm



This declaration was filed by Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D, in F.T.C. v. Western Dietary Products Co (Skookum) et al. (C01-818R, W.D., Washington), a case in which the Federal Trade Commission sued a company that was marketing devices and herbal products based on recommendations by Hulda Clark.

Declaration of Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D.
May 9, 2001

Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D, pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 1746, hereby states as follows:

1. My name is Peter W. Pappas. I am a United States citizen over the age of 18. I currently reside in Columbus, Ohio.

2. 1 have a B.A.degree in biology from Humboldt State University in Arcata, California, awarded in 1966. In 1968 1 received an M.A. in Biology from Humboldt State University. I received a Ph.D. in 1971 from the University of Oklahoma, Norman, Oklahoma, in zoology, parasitology, and biochemistry. I served a post-doctoral fellowship through the National Institutes of Health fi-om 1971-1973 at Rice University in Houston, Texas in parasitology, and served as research associate at Rice in parasitology in 1973.

3. From 1973 until 2000 1 was a faculty member at The Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio. I served as an Assistant Professor from 1973 through 1977, as an Associate Professor from 1978 through 1982 and as Professor of Zoology from 1983 through 2000. From 1989 through 1998 1 was chairman of the Department of Zoology at Ohio State. (The Departments' name was changed to "Evolution, Ecology, and Organismal Biology" in 2000.) In 1998 and 1999 1 was the Director of the Introductory Biology Program at Ohio State. I am now retired from Ohio State, having been awarded the title of Professor Emeritus, and I am a technical consultant for LabBook-com in Columbus, Ohio. LabBook.com develops and markets commercial software for managing laboratory information and mining genomic databases.

4. My specialized academic training is in the area of parasitology -- the study of parasites. In general terms, "parasitologists" study all aspects of the "biology of parasites," including, but not limited to, (1) taxonomy and systematics, (2) life cycles, (3) pathology, (4) epidemiology (including the distribution, control, and eradication of parasitic infections), (5) and treatment of parasites and parasitic infections. Parasitologists might specialize in one or more of the above areas, they might specialize in the study of parasites infecting a specific host (e.g., "human parasitology"), or they might specialize in other biological disciplines related directly to one of the above areas (e.g., biochemistry of parasites in relation to chemotherapy). Many biologists with specialized training in other biological disciplines study parasites as "'model systems," including evolutionary biologists, molecular biologists, taxonomists and systematists, and ecologists. Parasitic organisms are extremely diverse -- virtually every major group of animals has at least one member that is a "parasite," and in some groups of animals all members are parasites. Just like parasites, parasitologists are also extremely diverse in terms of "what" they study and "why" they study it.

5. While a faculty member at Ohio State University, I maintained an active research program in parasitology, primarily biochemistry, physiology, and cell biology of parasites. I have published approximately 90 articles in refereed scientific journals and edited three reference books. I have also served on the editorial boards of five national/international parasitological journals, and I currently serve as co-moderator of the primary parasitology news group on the web (bionet.parasitology). My CV is attached.

6. At Ohio State University, my primary teaching responsibility for 27 years was an advanced undergraduate/graduate-level course, Introductory Parasitology. As part of maintaining the course's content with contemporary parasitological concepts and principles, I have read extensively in many areas of parasitology and "human parasitology." This includes reading and studying many general, human, and veterinary parasitology textbooks written in the U.S. or U.K., and extensive readings in the original literature (refereed scientific journals). For the past five years I have maintained a large web site (Parasites and Parasitological Resources) designed as (1) a teaching aid for college-level students and (2) a source of information for the lay person. The web site contains information on over 200 species of parasites and over 500 photographic images of parasites, and most of the important parasites of humans are included. During a typical month, the web site's home page receives more than 10,000 hits, and the entire web site receives >150,000 hits. Through an e-mail link in this web site, I receive and answer many questions from all over the world regarding many aspects of parasitology. The web site's URL is www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~parasite/home.html.

7. I became aware of Hulda Clark's claims regarding parasites and disease in 1996 when I developed my web site. As part of developing this web site, I conducted extensive searches of the web for other parasitology sites. In addition to sites that were clearly academic and instructional in content, I came across many sites that espoused the belief of Hulda Clark that parasites cause many diseases including cancer, AIDS, Alzheimer's disease, diabetes, etc. Throughout my 33 years in academia, I had never heard of nor read about such a theory. Initially, I simply ignored Hulda Clark and her theory, as I was simply too busy. However, as my web site developed, I began to get e-mails asking for my "opinion" about Clark and her theories. I also discovered that many of the "proClark" web sites had copied copyrighted images from my web site and were using them without my permission. Thus, I not only purchased Clark's books, The Cure for All Cancers (1993), The Cure for HIV and AIDS (1993), and The Cure for.All Diseases (1995), but I also began an extensive search for and investigation of "pro-Clark" web sites. Over the past few years, I have become familiar with Hulda Clark's theories and many of the web sites that support her theories and sell various cures for parasites.

8. In her writings, Clark makes a number of claims about parasites and disease. In The Cure for All Cancers, Clark states:

In this book you will see that all cancers are alike, They are all caused by a parasite A single parasite! It is the human intestinal fluke. And if you kill this parasite, the cancer stops immediately. The tissue becomes normal again. In order to get cancer, you must have this parasite.

9. In The Cure for HIV and AIDS, Clark states: "This is the source of the HIV virus (sic)" and a photograph of Fasciolopsis buski follows. She goes on to say, "The HIV virus (sic) belongs to this fluke," and "If it establishes itself in the thymus, it causes HIV/AIDS." Furthermore, in both of these books, Clark emphasizes that effective treatment for this parasite (and, therefore, a cure for cancer, AIDS, and may other diseases purportedly caused by this parasite) requires the use of both herbal remedies and electrical devices "Zappers").

10. The claims of Hulda Clark (and many of the web sites that sell herbal remedies and "Zapper") that (1) a single parasite causes cancer, AIDS, and many other diseases, and that this parasite can be killed with electrical devices ("Zappers") are not supported by competent and reliable scientific evidence. This statement is based on the observations and correspondence summarized below.

11. Cancer, AIDS, and many of the diseases that Clark claims are caused by Fasciolopsis buski, are distributed world-wide, yet the distribution of this parasite is limited to S.E. Asia.

12. Clark claims that she has diagnosed this parasite in everyone with cancer, AIDS, and other diseases, and that she diagnoses these infections using a "Syncrometer" (an electrical device that somehow indicates the presence of parasites and/or toxins in the body.) However, the only reliable and acceptable method for the diagnosis of Fasciolopsis buski infections in humans is demonstrating the presence of the parasite's eggs in human feces. Thus, her statement that "everyone" is infected with this parasite is based on inaccurate diagnostic methodology. Moreover, if this parasite caused all of these diseases, the parasite would be found during routine pathology procedures. I have been unable to find any evidence that this parasite is found during such routine procedures.

13. Clark's books contain a number of inaccurate statements about the biology of Fasciolopsis buski and other parasites, so one must question her as an authority on parasites or parasitic diseases. She misspells the scientific name of the parasite; she spells the specific buskii, when the correct spelling is buski. When discussing any species of living organism, the correct spelling of the scientific name is essential. In The Cure for All Cancers, the title for Figure 2 (which is not a photomicrograph) refers to "strings of eggs from the parasite -- the parasite does not produce "strings of eggs," and the eggs are microscopic (cannot be seen without a microscope). Clark states tliat "he adult , though, stays tightly stuck to our intestine (or liver, causing cancer, or uterus, causing endometriosis, or thymus, causing AIDS, or kidney, causing Hodgkin's disease.)" The adult parasite does live in the small intestine, as stated by Clark, but I have been unable to find any reports (other than Clark's) of this parasite being found in the human uterus, thymus, or kidney. Clark states: "Some of these eggs batch in the intestine or the blood." There is no credible evidence that the eggs of any species of fluke will batch in the human intestine, or in the blood or time. There are a few species of flukes in which the eggs normally enter the blood or tissues (e.g., the schistosomes which cause schistosomiasis), but, even with these species of parasites, the eggs do not hatch in the blood or tissue. Clark states that "e all have tapeworm stages in our bodies...." and "very tumor, benign or malignant, has a tapeworm stage in the middle of it, even including warts." I have been unable to substantiate either of these statements in the medical literature. Although Clark has an advanced academic degree (a Ph.D. in physiology) and an N.D., she has no academic training as a parasitologist and she clearly does not have a basic understanding of the most fundamental parasitological principles.

14. There is overwhelming evidence in the form of peer-reviewed articles appearing in scientific journals that virtually all types of cancer result from the uncontrolled division of cells, and that the uncontrolled division of cells has a genetic basis. That is, cancer is caused by the activation or inactivation of specific genes that control the division of cells; it is not caused by a parasite. If this parasite truly causes cancer and, therefore, kills thousands of people each year, how could this parasite go unnoticed? Even in areas of the world where Fasciolopsis buski is endemic, there are no published studies that demonstrate (1) a relationship between this parasite and cancer and (2) that curing this parasite cures cancer. The only studies that support these theories are those mentioned in Clark's books, and her studies lack scientific integrity. Similarly, there is overwhelming evidence that AIDS is caused by HIV (human immunodeficiency virus), not a parasite.

Although there's some disagreement as to when and where HIV was introduced first into the human population, it is clear that it was not a prevalent disease until the early 1980s. However, Fasciolopsis buski has been recognized as a human parasite for hundreds of years, a fact recognized by Clark in her books.

15. Hulda Clark believes that parasites cause many common diseases. In the terminology of the scientific method, Clark is stating a hypothesis or statement of belief. However, the scientific method requires that, for a hypothesis to be accepted as a theory, the hypothesis must be tested. That is, controlled, empirical, unbiased experiments must be done. Moreover, the experiments and their results must be reviewed by other scientists to insure that the experiments were conducted properly and that.the data are unbiased. This is what differentiates good science from bad science. Herein lies a major flaw with Clark's theories. Her hypotheses have not been tested using controlled experiments, and her methods of collecting data are biased. Rather, most of the diseases were diagnosed and treated by Clark, and Clark also claimed the diseases were cured. Thus, Clark's "case histories" represent an egregious example of a highly biased experimental protocol, and her theories are based on bad science.

16. After reading Clark's books and receiving many e-mails asking questions about Clark's theories, I tried to find information in the original literature. (The articles in refereed scientific journals or reputable reference books) that would support Clark's beliefs. Despite extensive searches of numerous major academic and medical libraries and extensive scientific and medical databases, I could not find a single article that supported Clark's theories about Fasciolopsis buski and diseases.

17. In early 1999, I posted the following statement on my web site: Hulda Regehr Clark claims that this parasite causes "all diseases, " cancer, and HIV and AIDS, and several web sites use these claims in their advertisements to sell various "cures "for these diseases. There are no peer-reviewed, published, scientific studies demonstrating that Fasciolopsis buski causes any of these diseases in humans. Furthermore, there are no peer-reviewed, published, scientific studies demonstrating that the various treatments, tinctures, cleanses, electrical devices (e.g., the "Zapper"), etc., sold through these web pages have any therapeutic value.

18. In response to the appearance of this statement, I received several e-mail messages from David Amrein, the President of the "Dr. Clark Research Association." Mr. Amrein asked that I remove this statement from my web site, and, in hopes of finding supporting information, I responded with the following: "Tell me where I can find information that supports the theories of Hulda Clark, information that has been published in peer-reviewed journals, and I will remove the comments from my web page. In fact, if you tell me where I can find this information, I will be more than happy to (1) include the information in my web page and (2) add an apology to my web page. I await anxiously your response." Despite my very clear request for information, Mr. Amrein did not provide any information that would support Clark's theories.

19. Later in 1999, Mr. Tim Bolen (who is referred to as "a media consultant" on the "Dr. Clark Research Association web site) and Mr. Leo Regehr sent a number of e-mail messages to me and various administrators at Ohio State University complaining about the statements on the website. I made them the same offer that I made to Mr. Amrein. I received no information that refutes the comments that are included in my web site. I must assume that no such information exists.

I declare under penalty of perjury, that the foregoing statement is true and correct.
Executed, this 9th day of May, 2001 at Columbus, Ohio.

Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D.


http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cance...


This declaration was filed by Aron Primack, M.D., in F.T.C. v. Western Dietary Products Co (Skookum) et al. (C01-818R, W.D., Washington), a case in which the Federal Trade Commission sued a company that was marketing devices and herbal products based on recommendations by Hulda Clark.

Affidavit of Aron Primack, M.D.
April 26, 2001

Aron Primack, M.D., pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 1740, hereby states as follows:

1. My name is Aron Primack. I am a United States citizen over the age of 18. I currently reside in Silver Spring, Maryland.

2. I earned a B.S. degree from Northwestern University in 1964, an M.D. degree from Northwestern University Medical School in 1967 and an M.A. degree in medical anthropology from Catholic University in 1986. 1 am licensed as an M.D. in Maryland and the District of Columbia.

3. I am board certified in Internal Medicine and Medical Oncology. Medical Oncology is the branch of medicine concerned with the medical treatment of the various forms of cancer. Currently, I serve as Associate Professor of Preventive Medicine and Biometrics at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences (USUHS) in Bethesda, Maryland. I also serve as a preceptor in several programs at USUHS and at George Washington University Medical Center. I have served as a senior investigator for the National Cancer Institute, both in Bethesda and in Kampala, Uganda, in East Africa, where I designed and conducted clinical trials with new drugs and new combinations of drugs. I also did laboratory research studying drug metabolism. I have served as a consultant to the Office of Alternative Medicine in the Office of the Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

4. I have published numerous articles and written several chapters in textbooks, including a chapter entitled "Alternative Medicine and Cancer" for Alternative Medicine: an Evidence Based Approach, a medical school textbook published in 1999. I co-edited a publication for NIH entitled "The Collection and Evaluation of Clinical Research Data Relevant to Alternative Medicine and Cancer", published in 1996. I have substantial experience in the evaluation of alternative treatments for diseases, particularly for cancer. My full CV is attached.

5. I have been asked by the Federal Trade Commission to provide an opinion concerning substantiation for the following claims made by Western Herb & Dietary Supplements, Inc. (WHD):

a. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing cancer;

b. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages, herbal cure packages and the Zapper Electrical Unit are effective in treating and curing Alzheimer's Disease;

c. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing diabetes;

d. WHD's herbal' formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing arthritis; and e. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages and the Zapper Electrical Unit are effective in treating and curing AIDS and HIV infection,

f. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages, when used by persons with cancer, make surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary.

6. I have visited WHM's website at www.curecancer.com and reviewed an earlier version of the website provided by the FTC, in order to become familiar with the specific packages that WHD offers as a claimed cure for each of the above illnesses and to become familiar with the representations. I understand that WHI) has said that the basis for its claims is the work of Hulda Regehr Clark. I have reviewed the following works by Hulda Regehr Clark: The Cure for All Diseases, The Cure for all Cancers, The Cure for HIV and AIDS, The Cure for All Advanced Cancers and Syncrometer Science Laboratory Manual. These are all the books by Hulda Clark sold by New Century Press, a publishing house that specializes in the sale of her books (see http://www.newcenturypress.com/titles.html ).

7. In my professional opinion the books by Hulda Clark listed above do not provide competent and reliable scientific evidence in support of the claims listed above. Moreover, in my opinion, apart from Hulda Clark's books, the claims are not supported by competent and reliable scientific evidence anywhere.

8. The basis for my opinion is as follows:

a. Hulda Clark's books, listed above, describe her own method of diagnosing and curing all diseases. She claims to have developed her own diagnostic tool, called the Syncrometer, which works on the principle of "resonance" (The Cure for All Diseases, pp 5, 465). The operator of the device must compare two sounds to see if they resonate in order to provide a Yes or No diagnosis Id. p 462) The Syncrometer provides the basis for her entire work. However, there is no scientific basis for the use of the Syncrometer. Its use has not been verified or tested in any scientific manner and the conclusions that Clark reaches from its use (see subparagraph b below) are implausible to begin with and contrary to documented research. Assuming that a person actually had a parasitic infestation, there is no scientific reason to believe that this device could detect it, let alone diagnose which parasite was causing the infestation, the lifecycle stage of the parasite or its location within the body, all of which Clark claims to be able to do.

b. As a result of her use of the Syncrometer, Hulda Clark claims that all diseases are
caused by parasites, particularly the intestinal fluke whose activities may be caused or aggravated, according to her theories, by pollutants. For example, she claims that Myasthenia Gravis is probably caused by flukes in the thymus gland, that Alzheimer's Disease and multiple sclerosis result from flukes in the brain, and that diabetes is caused by flukes in the pancreas. She also claims that cancer and HIV/AIDS are caused by intestinal flukes. She even claims that HIV is not a virus in humans but only in flukes and that the virus disappears when the flukes are killed. These claims are demonstrably false. For example, the brains of Alzheimer Disease patients have been studied and there has been no indication of parasitic infection. The same is true for the thymus glands of Myasthenia Gravis patients. (Removal of the thymus is the standard treatment for this disease and the universal practice in medicine is to study a removed organ microscopically.) Diabetes is caused by an abnormality of insulin production and of insulin usage and uptake by cells, not by parasitic infestation of the pancreas. This has been shown through light microscopic and electron microscopic study. The HIV virus is now observed directly in humans and replicates in humans without the need for a fluke host which is not found in HIV/AIDS patients. Cancer is caused by a variety of known and unknown factors. Flukes and other parasites have been associated with a few, relatively rare forms of cancer, namely: a) There is a very rare type of adenocarcinoma of the liver caused by liver flukes, and b) bladder cancer in places with highly endemic schistosomiasis (e.g Egypt) is related to this disease. However, even in such cases, it does not follow that killing the flukes eliminates the cancer and the overwhelming majority of cancers are neither caus6d by flukes or similar parasites nor are flukes or similar parasites associated with them. If they were present, such flukes certainly would have been found by ordinary pathology techniques.

c. With regard to cancer, Clark also claims that a substance called "ortho-phospho-tyrosine" that she detects with her Syncrometer is an infallible cancer or malignancy marker. (The Cure for All Cancers, pp 8, 59,203-4; The Cure for All Diseases, p. 9) This is simply an assertion for which no evidence is provided in her books, nor is it supported by any competent and reliable evidence. Clark seems only to have found or tested for "ortho-phospho-tyrosine" with the Syncrometer. In her book, The Cure for All Advanced Cancers, in which she includes a large number of blood test results, she never shows results for this substance. Thus, Clark's theories of cancer diagnosis and cure are completely unsupported by scientific evidence on at least two counts: intestinal flukes as the cause of all cancers and "ortho-phospho-tyrosine" as a marker for all cancers.

d. Clark claims that a device she has invented called the Zapper can kill the flukes within the body and cure the diseases using an electric current of the right frequency. However, her books provide no competent scientific evidence that this device does what she claims or even that it has any effect on the body. In any event, the premise for its use is completely false, since the diseases are not caused by parasites. Nor does any body of scientific literature anywhere else support the theory that these diseases can be cured with such a device.

e. In Hulda Clark s system a combination of herbs and other dietary supplements, which WHD sells as herbal packages and cure formulas, supplement use of the Zapper to cure the diseases. However, her books provide no competent scientific evidence that such combinations of herbs and other dietary supplements are, in fact, effective for this purpose. There is no scientific literature to support the use of herbal remedies in the treatment of flukes, even if these were present. And, as with the Zapper, the premise for using these herbs and other substances is false since the diseases are not caused by parasites. Nor are such claim supported by any body of scientific literature outside of Hulda Clark's books.

f. Hulda Clark uses specific cases to exemplify the success of her unorthodox and unproven methods. But these are also undocumented cases. They are glibly stated without supporting evidence. While there are rare cases of severe disease that show spontaneous regression and improvement, the cases in Clark's books are expounded without proper documentation of the treatment or of the response. It is impossible for me to verify either the diagnosis, treatment or cure from the information presented. In her first three books, The Cure for all Cancers, The Cure for All Diseases, and The Cure for HlV and AIDS, all her diagnoses and cures are premised on testing with the Syncrometer. There is no scientific reason to believe that either the diagnoses or cures are reliable.

g. Clark's fourth book, The Cure for All Advanced Cancers, contains more detailed case histories than the previous three (though these are selected, rather than a random sample or a complete accounting, p. 251) and does not rely entirely on Syncrometer data. However, in virtually all cases the data are still insufficient to confirm either a diagnosis or a cure. Inflammatory lesions of all organs occur and these can mimic cancer in every respect. These lesions heal with time regardless of any intervening therapy. In order to diagnose cancer biopsy proof is required. Biopsy proof is also needed in order to diagnose metastasis (the spread of the cancer). For example, in case #1 (p. 251), Clark appears to have diagnosed bone cancer and renal (kidney) cancer on the basis of a bone scan and kidney scan. This is not sufficient for such a diagnosis. Bone scans show abnormalities in patients with chronic arthritis or other bone disease, much more commonly benign than malignant, in which there is inflammation of the bone. Hot spots on bone scans can indicate an infection, but not necessarily. In case #6 (p. 272) several X-rays are shown but these are also insufficient to diagnose cancer. In case #8 (p. 282) an MRI is shown, but this is insufficient to diagnose cancer. It is noted that the patient had refused to have the swelling biopsied before visiting Clark's clinic. Without a biopsy, it is impossible to tell if this is cancer. A lymph node can, and should, swell and then recede in size as an inflammatory reaction. The other cases all show a similar lack of documentation sufficient either to diagnose cancer or to document a cure.

9. I am particularly concerned about WHD's suggestion that patients forego standard medical treatments in favor of purchasing its remedies. By way of illustration:

a. People suffering from cancer will be harmed by foregoing standard medical treatment in favor of the remedies promoted by WHD. Many forms of cancer respond to surgery, chemotherapy and/or radiation treatment. They do not, however, respond to no treatment, which is what WHD's suggested remedies amount to.

b. HIV/AIDS; is caused by a virus that is measurable in the blood stream of patients. It is now controllable with medical treatment. HIV/AIDS patients had a life expectancy of under six months from the time of diagnosis to death in the first decade and a half after the disease was discovered. That time is now over two years. This is a major breakthrough. There is no question that it is a terrible and life-threatening practice to tell patients to forego the use of modern, dramatically successful medical treatment for the methods expounded in Clark's books.

c. Allopathic treatment of arthritis relieves the suffering (e.g. using ibuprofen and other Non-steroidal products) and reverses much of the relentless inflammation (e.g. using cox-1 inhibitors). It would be a major regression for patients to forego the use of these products in favor of treatments expounded in Clark's books.

10. In my opinion the claims at the website www.curecancer.com are based on erroneous information and can cause patients to do themselves harm when thinking they are helping themselves.

I declare under penal of perjury, that the foregoing statement is true and correct. Executed this 26th day of April, 2001 at Bethesda, Maryland.


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This declaration was filed by Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., in F.T.C. v. Western Dietary Products Co (Skookum) et al. (C01-818R, W.D., Washington), a case in which the Federal Trade Commission sued a company that was marketing devices and herbal products based on recommendations by Hulda Clark.

Western Herb and Dietary Products
Evaluation by Dr. Joseph E. Pizzorno, N.D.
May 8,2001

Introduction

Michael Milgrom and Brinley Williams of the Federal Trade Commission have requested I review the validity of claims made by Western Herb & Dietary Products, Inc. (WHD) of Blaine, Washington. Following are my qualifications, description of my process and review of the claims made by WHD.

My Qualifications

I am widely recognized as one of the world's leading authorities on science-based natural medicine. My formal education includes a B.S. in Chemistry in 1969 from Harvey Mudd College in Claremont, CA and an N.D. (Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine) degree in 1975 from National College of Naturopathic Medicine, now located in Portland, OR. I have been licensed (#NT00000369) as a naturopathic physician, with prescriptive authority, in Washington State since 1975.

As the founding president, now president emeritus, of Bastyr University, the first fully accredited, multidisciplinary university of natural medicine in the United States, I have been very active in the academic and research advancement of natural medicine. As senior editor of the Textbook of Natural Medicine (Churchill-Livingstone 1999) the most authoritative textbook on natural medicine currently available, I have helped set the standard for alternative medicine education. Over the years, I have taught naturopathic philosophy, clinical diagnosis, nutrition, environmental medicine, and integrative therapeutics, and supervised students in the Bastyr University teaching clinic.

I have significant experience in public health and health care policy. I have been a member of the Seattle/King County Board of Health since 1996 (as far as I know, I am the first natural medicine practitioner ever to have received such an appointment), chair of the special primary interest group in alternative medicine of the American Public Health Association since 1999, and appointed in December 2000 by the President to the White House Commission on Complementary and Alternative Medicine Policy. In October 2000, 1 was an invited participant in the Josiah Macy, Jr., Foundation Conference on Education of Health Professionals on Complementary and Alternative Medicine. The conference generated a consensus recommendation on complementary and alternative medicine education in conventional medical schools. I have provided expert consultation on natural medicine education and research to governmental agencies internationally, including Argentina, Canada, China, Great Britain, Japan, and Taiwan.
Scope of Work/Process

Over the past several weeks, I have performed the following:
Reviewed the WHD website
Reviewed the WHD claims and theories
Reviewed documentation of claims and theories
Reviewed the four Hulda Clark books:
The Cure for All Cancers
The Cure for All Advanced Cancers
The Cure for All Diseases
The Cure for HIV and AIDS
Consulted several credible conventional and alternative medicine textbooks
Consulted cancer and HIV/AIDS experts
Conducted several MedLine and other database searches.

I believe this process has resulted in my undertanding the WHD claims, the quality and validity of the substantiation they provided and the current standards of evidence required for the claims they made.

To substantiate a cure, I utilized the following criteria:
The condition must first be accurately demonstrated to exist, using objective reproducible diagnostic standards. The methodologies utilized to make the diagnosis must be documented.
The therapeutic approach should have a sound theoretical basis, validated by supportive research published in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. If no theoretical basis, then it must have at least proven clinical efficacy or a long history of traditional use.
The identification and quality of the therapies must be demonstrated.
The patient must be objectively demonstrated to be free of the disease. The methodologies utilized to demonstrate cure must be documented.
The process must be repeatable in different patients, preferably by several different practitioners.
Claims

As requested by the FTC, I have evaluated the following claims found on the WHD website:
a. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing cancer;
b. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages, herbal cure packages and the Zapper Electrical Unit are effective in treating and curing Alzheimer's Disease;
c. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing diabetes;
d.WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing arthritis;
e. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages, herbal cure packages and the Zapper Electrical Unit are effective in treating and curing AIDS and HIV infection;
f. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages, when used by persons with cancer, make surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary.
Evaluation of the Substantiation for the Western Herb & Dietary Products' Claims

The Clark books contain numerous unevaluated theories, unsubstantiated clinical observations, invalid diagnostic procedures and unproven therapies. As detailed below, no reasonable health care professional would consider her books to provide substantiation of the WHD claims.
Hulda Clark's Credentials

Clark is apparently a graduate in naturopathy from Clayton College, a correspondence school located in Alabama. As far as I know, the naturopathy decree issued by Clayton College is not considered a valid credential by any state licensing naturopathic doctors. It is also not considered a sufficient credential to sit for the national naturopathic licensing examination (NPLX). The standard of education in the United States for N.D. degree licensure is an accredited four-year, residential graduate program. I am unaware of any state licensing body that would consider a distance-learning program of a few hundred hours adequate for clinical practice.
Claim A. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing cancer.

There is no competent and reliable evidence that the WHD formulas and packages effectively treat or cure cancer.

The curecancer.com website makes explicit claims to cure not only every type of cancer, but also AIDS, Alzheimer's disease, arthritis, back problems, diabetes and heart diseases. The claims are explicitly to cure, not prevent mitigate or treat disease. The WHD rationale for these claims is the works of Hulda Clark. In fact, the curecancer.com web pages appear to be directly transcribed from the Hulda Clark books. On its first page, <1> the website provides a quote from Clark <2> which asserts:

Cancer is caused by a certain parasite, for which evidence has been found in every form of cancer. So lung cancer is NOT caused by smoking, Colon cancer is NOT caused by a low roughage diet, Breast Cancer is NOT caused by a fatty diet, Retinal Blastoma is NOT caused by a rare gene, and Pancreatic cancer is NOT caused by alcohol consumption. Although these are all CONTRIBUTING FACTORS, they are not THE cause.

Clark's books make a very large number of unfounded assertions and claims. In general, Clark claims a parasite, the fluke Fasciolopsis buskii <3> is the cause of many chronic diseases. She asserts to have found it in every case of cancer, HIV infection, Alzheimer's disease, Crohn's disease, Kaposi's sarcoma, endometriosis, and in many people without these diseases. Clark asserts that the high level of toxins in the human body allows the parasite to complete its full life cycle without requiring the intermediate snail host. This in-human life cycle process then causes, according to Clark the production of a "mitotic stimulant" She also asserts several other parasites am endemic in the U.S. as well, but F. buski is her primary culprit The following appear to be the core elements that comprise her theories:
All cancers and most diseases due to Fasciolopsis buski infection
Fasciolopsis buski is commonly found in humans in the U.S.
Solvent buildup in the body prevents the body from eliminating this and other parasites
Humans have high levels of isopropyl alcohol, both from exposure and by generation in the intestines by a bacterium called Clostridium
The presence of aflatoxin B prevents the detoxification of isopropyl alcohol
The coincidence of aflatoxin B and isopropyl alcohol in the liver results in the production of human chorionic gonadotropin
Human chorionic gonadotropin causes distant cells to produce the "mitotic stimulant" ortho-phospho-tyrosine
Killing the parasites and removing toxins and carcinogens from the body and diet result in cure in a short time
The parasites can be killed with an herbal formula
A device she calls a "Syncrometer" can be used to diagnose the presence of parasites, disease and toxins
A device she calls a "Zapper" can be used to kill the parasites. Following is my evaluation of these theories and therapies.

Fasciolopsis buski and human disease

Parasite infections in humans have long been associated with specific types of cancers. For example, Schistosoma hematobium is a known inducer of urinary bladder cancer, Helicobacter pylori is a gastric carcinogen, and hepatitis B virus is a causative agent of liver cell cancers. However, the claim that all cancers (let alone all AIDS, etc.) are caused by Fasciolopsis buski is unsubstantiated and extremely unlikely.

Fasciolopsis buski is a recognized snail-transmitted, intestinal, food-borne human intestinal fluke <4>. It is found in many parts of Asia and principally parasitizes the intestines of pigs. The prevalence of infection in children ranges from 57% in mainland China to 25% in Taiwan and from 50% in Bangladesh and 60% in India to 10% in Thailand <5>. Human infection, fasciolopsiasis, is acquired by ingesting water plants such as water chestnuts, which bear metacercariae of the parasite. Light infection is asymptomatic, while heavy infection is associated with abdominal pain, ulceration, hemorrhage, intestinal obstruction and facial and generalized edema. Diagnosis is made by finding adult flukes or, more commonly, by finding F. buski eggs in the feces. In light infections, even without treatment, spontaneous cure normally occurs within one year. Current conventional treatment is with praziquantel. There is no research documenting the association of F. buski with cancer or any disease other than fasciolopsiasis. Considering the well-documented level of infestation in these other countries, if the Clark theory was true we'd see an equally high level of cancer, which we don't.

Isopropyl alcohol, role in disease, body burden, and sources

Isopropyl alcohol exposure is common: rubbing alcohol, window cleaner solution, cosmetics, hair tonics, etc. It is considered to be about twice as toxic as ethanol. Isopropyl alcohol is readily absorbed from the intestines. The main problems are acute toxicity, typically from. ingestion, and potentiation of the toxicity of some other chemicals, such as carbon tetrachloride. The half time for the elimination of isopropyl alcohol by the dog and rat is 4 and 2 hours, respectively. There is no research support for its persistence in the body, association with any parasitic infections, nor any association with cancer or any other disease. According to the National Library of Medicine's ToxNet, isopropyl alcohol is not classified as a carcinogen in either animals or humans.

Aflatoxin B and isopropyl alcohol

There is no research demonstrating any relationship between aflatoxin and isopropyl alcohol. Nor is there any research showing a relationship between these chemicals and chorionic gonadotropin.

Chorionic gonadotropin

Human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) is a chemical secreted in large amounts by pregnant women and by some cancers. I was unable to find any research that HCG induces cancer.

Ortho-phospho-tyrosine

While tyrosine kinases are involved in some carcinogenic processes, I was unable to document the significance (i.e., cancer growth stimulant and measure of cancer) attributed by Clark to "ortho-phospho-tyrosine." Tyrosine phosphorylation is one of the key covalent modifications that occur in multicellular organisms as a result of intercellular communication during embryogenesis and maintenance of adult tissues. The enzymes that carry out this modification are the protein tyrosine kinases (PTKs), which catalyze the transfer of the phosphate of AIP to tyrosine residues on protein substrates. Phosphorylation of tyrosine residues modulates enzymatic activity and creates binding sites for the recruitment of downstream signaling proteins. Because PTKs are critical components of cellular signaling pathways, their catalytic activity is strictly regulated. Many growth factor receptors and retroviral transforming proteins share the property of phosphorylating proteins on tyrosine. Protein tyrosine kinase also plays an important role in the viability of several parasites. None of this appears to provide support for the Clark theories.

Herbal eradication of parasites

The herbs recommended by Clark for eliminating parasites have some tradition of use as anthelmintics (worm-killing agents). <7-10>
Black walnut hulls (Juglans nigra): Peripherally mentioned in King's American Dispensatory, recommended in
Indian Herbology of North America. A recent study evaluated a kerosene milky-stage walnut (Juglans spp.) extract, a Russia folk medication, in an animal model. A dose of 75 mg/kg in albino mice provided 100% efficiency against ascariasis <11>.
Wormwood (Artemesia absinthium): Contains absinthian, a well documented anthelmintic with a long history of use, though primarily for round worms, not flukes.
Cloves (Syzygium aromaticum): Mentioned in Green Pharmacy. No current research found.

The only botanical medicine for which I found research demonstrating efficacy against Fasciolopsis buski is the alcohol extract of the root-tuber of Flemingia vestita (not recommended by Clark). <12>

Although the dosages recommended by Clark are unclear and the research has only assessed their efficacy in round worms, the recommended herbs may be effective in the treatment of Fasciolopsis buski. There is no evidence they have any efficacy in patients with cancer or other diseases.

Syncrometer

No research is presented demonstrating that the Syncrometer is a valid diagnostic device or that it correlates with any accepted cancer or other disease diagnostic procedure.

Zapper

No research is presented demonstrating that the Zapper has any physiological effects, let alone ability to kill parasites or cure cancer. The claim that mild electrical shocks to the skin can eliminate intestinal parasites is, frankly, preposterous.

Case histories

The Clark book The Cure for All Cancers presents about a hundred cases, some numbered and some not Since most of the cancer cases are diagnosed with the Synchrometer, not a standard or accepted diagnostic procedure, they do not provide substantiation of the validity of the theories or efficacy of the treatments. Those with accurate diagnoses appear to have either been successfully treated with conventional interventions or fared uniformly poorly. The patients that appeared to respond had no documentation of cancer other than the Syncrometer. Clark intermixes what appear to be accurately conventionally diagnosed cancer patients with patients diagnosed only with the Syncrometer. It gives the superficial appearance of cancer treatment efficacy, but close reading reveals a very clear distinction in outcomes: proper diagnosis -- no results, Syncrometer diagnosis -- results. Peppered throughout the case discussions are such outrageous diagnoses as a patient being "full of fiberglass because she was coughing a lot" and that an elevated alkaline phosphatase level was due to the presence of a dye (DAB) when this is a well known sign of bone cancer metastases!

Clarks's The Cure for All Advanced Cancers is a more sophisticated book. It provides about a hundred citations for various aspects of her theories and the "cured" cancer cases are provided in far more detail. Many of the individual statements she makes are consistent with the current scientific knowledge. For example, many environmental toxins (e.g., polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons) do cause cancer, heavy metals do damage immune function, iron deficiency does decrease cytochrome P450 activity, mycotoxins do increase the risk of certain cancers, etc. However, such statements of common knowledge, while seeming to provide science, do not provide substantiation of her theories.

For analysis of the validity of the "cured cancer cases, I consulted an oncologist, Dr. Aron Primack. At my request, he reviewed The Cure for All Advanced Cancers. He makes several observations:
A biopsy proof is required to diagnose cancer and the same is true for the fast evidence of metastases.
Infammatory lesions of all organs occur, and these can mimic cancer in every respect. These lesions then heal with time and credit is often given to intervening "therapies" such as those described in this book
Even in bona fide cases of malignancy, chemotherapy and radiation therapy, as well as surgery, can make people feel worse after treatment and this can mimic ongoing disease, requiring a period of time of healing before one can assess the treatment.
The cases in this book are all of an extreme nature. They all have more widespread disease and odder distribution of metastases than one sees in oncology practice. The pattern of spread of disease in these patients is different from that normally seen in comparable patients.
There are clearly stated "causes" for findings that do not stand up to scrutiny. E.g. Case 25 (Hodgkin's Disease) in which she states: night sweats are caused by Mycobacterium Avium brought in by ascaris. There is NO indication of this. Hodgkin's Disease patients have had numerous biopsies of these nodes and there has never been a correlation with tuberculosis or ascaris.
Blood tests are not a substitute for biopsies. They may improve, such as in prostate cancer, but the cells may be more undifferentiated and the cancer actually worse.
Finally, spontaneous improvements do occur.

He assessed the diagnostic procedures and outcomes in many of the cases. In summary, he did not find adequate diagnostic evidence indicative of cures. In particular, he found many examples where changes in radiological or other reports were either misinterpreted, or not the appropriate diagnostic tool for the interpretations presented. For example, changes in bone scans or x-rays were often cited as documentation of the presence and remission of cancer. However, without proper biopsies, the lesions described could indicate a tumor, metastasis, infection, inflammtion, or simply a developmental abnormality.

As can be see from the above analysis, there is no significant substantiation for the Clark theories, diagnostic procedures, therapies or claimed clinical successes.

Claim B. WHD's herbal formulas, care packages, herbal care packages and the Zapper Electrical Unit are effective in treating and curing Alzheimer's Disease.

There is no competent and reliable evidence that the WHD formulas and packages effectively treat or cure Alzheimer's disease.
Claim C. WHD's herbal formulas, care packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing diabetes.

There is no competent and reliable evidence that the WED formulas and packages effectively treat or cure diabetes.
Claim D. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal care packages are effective in treating and curing arthritis.

There is no competent and reliable evidence that the WHD formulas and packages effectively treat or cure arthritis.
The rationales for my evaluation of Claims B, C, and D are considered together as they are all supposedly substantiated by one source, Clark's book The Cure for All Diseases.

Clark's theory of the causes and treatment of all diseases is essentially the same as for cancer. It suffers from the deficiencies noted above. Her claims of cure also suffer from the same problems of invalid diagnostic and evaluative procedures which provide no substantiation for either the presence of the disease or its eradication and therapies with no reliable documentation of efficacy.

On the front page of this book Clark sets the stage with the assertion: "Electricity can now be used to kill bacteria, viruses, and parasites in minutes, not days or weeks as antibiotics require." Other than describing her "discovery process", she provides no substantiation for this assertion. If her electrical device could indeed kill these microorganisms, it would be simple to perform and reproduce this effect in any microbiology laboratory or biology classroom.
This is followed by the equally undocumented assertion of cause on page 2: "No matter how long or confusing is the list of symptoms a person has, from chronic fatigue to infertility to mental problems, I am sure to find only two things wrong: they have in them pollutants and/or parasites. I never find lack of exercise, vitamin deficiencies, hormone levels or anything else to be a primary causative factor." This statement appears to simply ignore hundreds of thousands of studies published in the peer-reviewed research literature to the contrary.

For Alzheimer's disease, Clark adds to the basic theory the assertion that xylene and toluene, from decaffeinated powders and carbonated drinks, are "brain-seeking" toxins, as are aluminum, mercury, freon, thallium, and cadmium and the bacterium Shigella. While these solvents and heavy metals are indeed toxic to the brain, there is no substantiation of their presence, other than the Syncrometer. The therapies recommended are unlikely to be toxic (except the excessively high dosage of vitamin B2); they are also unlikely to have an effect unless the patient was deficient in one or more of them, not uncommon in an elderly population. The four case histories given are not at all compelling, with only one showing possible improvement Considering the variability of Alzheimer's disease, such cases need to be followed objectively for months before efficacy can be assessed.

For diabetes, Clark adds infestation of the pancreas with Eurytrema pancreatum, a cattle fluke, as a cause. She also asserts that methanol is a toxin found in all patients with diabetes. There is no research to support either of these claims. However, several of the therapies recommended may help some patients with adult onset (NIDDM) diabetes. Specifically, fenugreek seeds and the trace mineral chromium may be beneficial in improving blood sugar levels and bilberry extract may decrease the vascular damage seen in patients with diabetes. The case results presented suggest possible improvement in several, and could be the result of improved diet and supplementation with these natural therapies. However, longer term monitoring would be required to assess actual outcomes. The WHD diabetes formula (black walnut, wormwood, cloves, l-arginine, l-ornithine, african bird cayenne, burdock root, and marshmallow root) does not contain any of the herbs or nutrients known to improve diabetes.

For rheumatoid arthritis, Clark asserts that the worms actually live in the joints. For osteoarthritis, she asserts that chronic, undetected staph and strep infections are responsible. She also believes that excessive phosphates (from meat, soft drinks and grams) are a problem in this condition. There is no substantiation for these theories. The case histories presented were diagnosed based only on symptoms, not standard diagnostic procedures. Without an accurate diagnosis, it is impossible to determine if there is any significance to the very modest clinical improvements in a few of the cases. There was no apparent pattern in the therapies, so I am unable to determine if they've any valid theoretical basis. However, one therapy, recommending the avoidance of nightshade family foods, does have some research support for patients with osteoarthritis.
Claim E. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages, herbal care packages and the Zapper Electrical Unit are effective in treating and curing AIDS and HIV infection.

There is no competent and reliable evidence that the WHD formulas and packages effectively treat or cure HIV/AIDS. In addition, I believe the WHD claim and the Clark book pose a serious public health hazard. The risk of contagion of the deadly HIV virus is well documented.

Clark's theory for the cause of HIV/AIDS is essentially the same as for other diseases. For HIV/AIDS, she adds the assertion that the HIV virus is found in the snail stage of the Fasciolopsis lifecycle and develops into the human version due to accumulation of benzene in the thymus. She further asserts the fluke is necessary for the HIV virus to maintain its presence in the body and that "benzene is the cause of AIDS <13>.

Clark's theory has no validity. There is no research documenting the presence of the any type of HIV virus in snails, no research supporting the unusual prevalence of a fluke such as Fasciolopsis buski in HIV positive patients, no evidence of benzene contamination in HIV positive patient, no evidence that benzene preferentially accumulates in the thymus, no evidence that a parasitic infection is necessary for the maintenance of an HIV infection and no evidence that benzene has any relationship to HIV.

Clark asserts to have cured HIV/AIDS based on 58 numbered and approximately 30 unnumbered patients in her book The Cure for HIV and AIDS. Virtually all were "diagnosed" as HIV positive based on her Syncrometer, not standard blood tests. There is no substantiation of the validity of the Syncrometer as an accurate measure of HIV virus, let alone being able to determine in which organs it resides. Of these 88 reported cases, only 14 actually had blood tests. The test results were typically reported by the patient and not confirmed by Clark and most of them were not reported in enough detail to determine their validity. Of the 14 with a blood test, three were actually negative, even though reported positive by the Syncrometer. One of these apparently became IHV positive during therapy. Of the 11 with possibly accurate diagnoses, only 3 reported the type of test performed. Of those reported to have become HIV negative according to "clinical tests," the type of blood test was only stated in 4. While PCR has validity in tracking the viral load of an HIV positive patient, to be valid it needs to be performed serially by the same laboratory using the same methodologies, due to the highly variable genetics of the virus. Of particular significance, however, is that during the early 90s when these tests were run, PCR was a new procedure with low reliability.

The clinical results of the 11 with a possibly accurate diagnosis are highly variable, ranging from continued progression of the disease, to patient-reported subjective improvements to those who left before completion of therapy. The information provided does not document actual improvement, let alone cure, and the concomitant use of conventional therapy was not reported.

The therapies recommended have no research supporting their efficacy in the eradication of the HIV virus. The "Zapper" does not appear to have been subjected to any objective research evaluation and the idea that an electrical current will selectively destroy specific viruses has no credibility. As discussed above, the "deworming" therapies may be effective in eliminating some parasites, but have no research supporting elimination of the HIV virus.

To diagnose a person as HIV positive based on an unproven device without a confirmatory blood test is unconscionable. The needless worry and suffering this causes is appalling, as is the anguish of the spouses who thought they were in a monogamous relationship and parents with no understanding of how their young children could have become infected. Asserting cure because this device no longer reports the disease is not in anyway credible.

Not only is there no substantiation for these diagnostic and therapeutic claims, I believe this website and the Clark books pose a serious public health hazard. HIV is a deadly communicate virus whose incidence of infection is again increasing. Convincing an HIV positive patient that he or she is HIV negative after a few weeks of ineffective therapy, implying he or she no longer needs to practice safe sex is outrageous. This is likely to increase the spread of the disease and undermine the efforts of public health departments across the country to contain it.
Claim F. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages, when used by persons with cancer, make surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary.

As discussed above, there is no competent and reliable evidence that the WHD formulas and packages effectively treat or cure cancer. Therefore the recommendation that these interventions make surgery or chemotherapy unnecessary is equally inappropriate and may deter a patient from obtaining an accurate diagnosis and potentially life-saving therapy.
Conclusion

Not only is there is no competent and reliable evidence that the WHD formulas and packages effectively treat or cure cancer, AIDS or other serious diseases, I believe their claims pose a substantive public health danger. This ranges from: allowing serious disease to progress untreated to the increased risk of the spread of the deadly virus due to HIV-infected individuals mistakenly believing their virus is eradicated.


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This is the second time I've had to post this information and I'm more than a little sickened by your blatant disregard for the health and well being of people who are actually sick and need to seek the advice of professionals, not quacks.

If you continue to advise others to use her products, I will report you.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 04:14 PM
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55. I've demonstrated before that your source is a bogus site- not credible
Edited on Sun Mar-19-06 04:24 PM by philb
and anyone knowledgable of the health field should be aware that federal agencies are controlled by special interests-
and don't make most decisions based on science or the facts.

I don't have time at the moment to go into details about your long post,
but Hulda's zapper is documented to kill viruses, bacteria, etc. as she says
and has also been documented to by Univ. studies to kill cancer cells
and to be effective against AIDS/HIV

as I've documented by post before, with references.

And her basic methods is elimination of toxic exposures and detox,

along with dealing with the viruses, bacteria, mycoplasmas, parasites that have been documented by studies, clinical results, and the federal Gov't to affect most with compromised immune systems.

My review papers have documented that her basic methods are effective at curing or significantly improving the health of most who do it.
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/indexa.html

So its easy to see that Hulda, while not perfectly right on everything, is mostly correct and the main things that are a part of
her methods have been demonstrated as valid and effective.

She is known to be a very knowldegable researcher, and is highly respected by most researchers who are familiar with her work.

You should look to more credible sources of information. Perhaps given time, we can continue this discussion regarding details-
but this isn't my issue or something I have much time to get into.
I'm pretty sure that Hulda will be vindicated by the future. She has the basics mostly right and has helped lots of people-
as I am aware periferally through contact with people on my organizations issues, who incidentally mention their experience with
her techniques.





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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 07:55 PM
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56. Those are SWORN AFFIDAVITS from MEDICAL EXPERTS from COURT DOCUMENTS
I suggest you READ THEM this time instead of dismissing the testimony of actual medical professionals.

Her lies were debunked by EXPERTS in their fields, including the most educated and well-respected NATUROPATH in the country.

Your ignorance of medicine and refusal to read legal documents tells me all I need to know about your reason for pushing her products.

Since you refuse to post studies proving your claims and continue to use this forum as a quack info-dump, I will keep posting actual evidence to the contrary.

Again, this is a sworn affidavit from a NATUROPATH:

This declaration was filed by Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., in F.T.C. v. Western Dietary Products Co (Skookum) et al. (C01-818R, W.D., Washington), a case in which the Federal Trade Commission sued a company that was marketing devices and herbal products based on recommendations by Hulda Clark.


Western Herb and Dietary Products
Evaluation by Dr. Joseph E. Pizzorno, N.D.
May 8,2001

Introduction

Michael Milgrom and Brinley Williams of the Federal Trade Commission have requested I review the validity of claims made by Western Herb & Dietary Products, Inc. (WHD) of Blaine, Washington. Following are my qualifications, description of my process and review of the claims made by WHD.

My Qualifications

I am widely recognized as one of the world's leading authorities on science-based natural medicine. My formal education includes a B.S. in Chemistry in 1969 from Harvey Mudd College in Claremont, CA and an N.D. (Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine) degree in 1975 from National College of Naturopathic Medicine, now located in Portland, OR. I have been licensed (#NT00000369) as a naturopathic physician, with prescriptive authority, in Washington State since 1975.

As the founding president, now president emeritus, of Bastyr University, the first fully accredited, multidisciplinary university of natural medicine in the United States, I have been very active in the academic and research advancement of natural medicine. As senior editor of the Textbook of Natural Medicine (Churchill-Livingstone 1999) the most authoritative textbook on natural medicine currently available, I have helped set the standard for alternative medicine education. Over the years, I have taught naturopathic philosophy, clinical diagnosis, nutrition, environmental medicine, and integrative therapeutics, and supervised students in the Bastyr University teaching clinic.

I have significant experience in public health and health care policy. I have been a member of the Seattle/King County Board of Health since 1996 (as far as I know, I am the first natural medicine practitioner ever to have received such an appointment), chair of the special primary interest group in alternative medicine of the American Public Health Association since 1999, and appointed in December 2000 by the President to the White House Commission on Complementary and Alternative Medicine Policy. In October 2000, 1 was an invited participant in the Josiah Macy, Jr., Foundation Conference on Education of Health Professionals on Complementary and Alternative Medicine. The conference generated a consensus recommendation on complementary and alternative medicine education in conventional medical schools. I have provided expert consultation on natural medicine education and research to governmental agencies internationally, including Argentina, Canada, China, Great Britain, Japan, and Taiwan.


Scope of Work/Process

Over the past several weeks, I have performed the following:

Reviewed the WHD website

Reviewed the WHD claims and theories

Reviewed documentation of claims and theories

Reviewed the four Hulda Clark books:

The Cure for All Cancers
The Cure for All Advanced Cancers
The Cure for All Diseases
The Cure for HIV and AIDS

Consulted several credible conventional and alternative medicine textbooks

Consulted cancer and HIV/AIDS experts

Conducted several MedLine and other database searches.

I believe this process has resulted in my undertanding the WHD claims, the quality and validity of the substantiation they provided and the current standards of evidence required for the claims they made.

To substantiate a cure, I utilized the following criteria:

The condition must first be accurately demonstrated to exist, using objective reproducible diagnostic standards. The methodologies utilized to make the diagnosis must be documented.
The therapeutic approach should have a sound theoretical basis, validated by supportive research published in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. If no theoretical basis, then it must have at least proven clinical efficacy or a long history of traditional use.
The identification and quality of the therapies must be demonstrated.
The patient must be objectively demonstrated to be free of the disease. The methodologies utilized to demonstrate cure must be documented.
The process must be repeatable in different patients, preferably by several different practitioners.
Claims

As requested by the FTC, I have evaluated the following claims found on the WHD website:

a. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing cancer;

b. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages, herbal cure packages and the Zapper Electrical Unit are effective in treating and curing Alzheimer's Disease;

c. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing diabetes;

d.WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing arthritis;

e. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages, herbal cure packages and the Zapper Electrical Unit are effective in treating and curing AIDS and HIV infection;

f. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages, when used by persons with cancer, make surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary.

Evaluation of the Substantiation for the Western Herb & Dietary Products' Claims

The Clark books contain numerous unevaluated theories, unsubstantiated clinical observations, invalid diagnostic procedures and unproven therapies. As detailed below, no reasonable health care professional would consider her books to provide substantiation of the WHD claims.


Hulda Clark's Credentials

Clark is apparently a graduate in naturopathy from Clayton College, a correspondence school located in Alabama. As far as I know, the naturopathy decree issued by Clayton College is not considered a valid credential by any state licensing naturopathic doctors. It is also not considered a sufficient credential to sit for the national naturopathic licensing examination (NPLX). The standard of education in the United States for N.D. degree licensure is an accredited four-year, residential graduate program. I am unaware of any state licensing body that would consider a distance-learning program of a few hundred hours adequate for clinical practice.
Claim A. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing cancer.

There is no competent and reliable evidence that the WHD formulas and packages effectively treat or cure cancer.

The curecancer.com website makes explicit claims to cure not only every type of cancer, but also AIDS, Alzheimer's disease, arthritis, back problems, diabetes and heart diseases. The claims are explicitly to cure, not prevent mitigate or treat disease. The WHD rationale for these claims is the works of Hulda Clark. In fact, the curecancer.com web pages appear to be directly transcribed from the Hulda Clark books. On its first page, <1> the website provides a quote from Clark <2> which asserts:

Cancer is caused by a certain parasite, for which evidence has been found in every form of cancer. So lung cancer is NOT caused by smoking, Colon cancer is NOT caused by a low roughage diet, Breast Cancer is NOT caused by a fatty diet, Retinal Blastoma is NOT caused by a rare gene, and Pancreatic cancer is NOT caused by alcohol consumption. Although these are all CONTRIBUTING FACTORS, they are not THE cause.

Clark's books make a very large number of unfounded assertions and claims. In general, Clark claims a parasite, the fluke Fasciolopsis buskii <3> is the cause of many chronic diseases. She asserts to have found it in every case of cancer, HIV infection, Alzheimer's disease, Crohn's disease, Kaposi's sarcoma, endometriosis, and in many people without these diseases. Clark asserts that the high level of toxins in the human body allows the parasite to complete its full life cycle without requiring the intermediate snail host. This in-human life cycle process then causes, according to Clark the production of a "mitotic stimulant" She also asserts several other parasites am endemic in the U.S. as well, but F. buski is her primary culprit The following appear to be the core elements that comprise her theories:

All cancers and most diseases due to Fasciolopsis buski infection
Fasciolopsis buski is commonly found in humans in the U.S.
Solvent buildup in the body prevents the body from eliminating this and other parasites
Humans have high levels of isopropyl alcohol, both from exposure and by generation in the intestines by a bacterium called Clostridium
The presence of aflatoxin B prevents the detoxification of isopropyl alcohol
The coincidence of aflatoxin B and isopropyl alcohol in the liver results in the production of human chorionic gonadotropin
Human chorionic gonadotropin causes distant cells to produce the "mitotic stimulant" ortho-phospho-tyrosine
Killing the parasites and removing toxins and carcinogens from the body and diet result in cure in a short time
The parasites can be killed with an herbal formula
A device she calls a "Syncrometer" can be used to diagnose the presence of parasites, disease and toxins
A device she calls a "Zapper" can be used to kill the parasites. Following is my evaluation of these theories and therapies.

Fasciolopsis buski and human disease

Parasite infections in humans have long been associated with specific types of cancers. For example, Schistosoma hematobium is a known inducer of urinary bladder cancer, Helicobacter pylori is a gastric carcinogen, and hepatitis B virus is a causative agent of liver cell cancers. However, the claim that all cancers (let alone all AIDS, etc.) are caused by Fasciolopsis buski is unsubstantiated and extremely unlikely.

Fasciolopsis buski is a recognized snail-transmitted, intestinal, food-borne human intestinal fluke <4>. It is found in many parts of Asia and principally parasitizes the intestines of pigs. The prevalence of infection in children ranges from 57% in mainland China to 25% in Taiwan and from 50% in Bangladesh and 60% in India to 10% in Thailand <5>. Human infection, fasciolopsiasis, is acquired by ingesting water plants such as water chestnuts, which bear metacercariae of the parasite. Light infection is asymptomatic, while heavy infection is associated with abdominal pain, ulceration, hemorrhage, intestinal obstruction and facial and generalized edema. Diagnosis is made by finding adult flukes or, more commonly, by finding F. buski eggs in the feces. In light infections, even without treatment, spontaneous cure normally occurs within one year. Current conventional treatment is with praziquantel. There is no research documenting the association of F. buski with cancer or any disease other than fasciolopsiasis. Considering the well-documented level of infestation in these other countries, if the Clark theory was true we'd see an equally high level of cancer, which we don't.

Isopropyl alcohol, role in disease, body burden, and sources

Isopropyl alcohol exposure is common: rubbing alcohol, window cleaner solution, cosmetics, hair tonics, etc. It is considered to be about twice as toxic as ethanol. Isopropyl alcohol is readily absorbed from the intestines. The main problems are acute toxicity, typically from. ingestion, and potentiation of the toxicity of some other chemicals, such as carbon tetrachloride. The half time for the elimination of isopropyl alcohol by the dog and rat is 4 and 2 hours, respectively. There is no research support for its persistence in the body, association with any parasitic infections, nor any association with cancer or any other disease. According to the National Library of Medicine's ToxNet, isopropyl alcohol is not classified as a carcinogen in either animals or humans.

Aflatoxin B and isopropyl alcohol

There is no research demonstrating any relationship between aflatoxin and isopropyl alcohol. Nor is there any research showing a relationship between these chemicals and chorionic gonadotropin.

Chorionic gonadotropin

Human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) is a chemical secreted in large amounts by pregnant women and by some cancers. I was unable to find any research that HCG induces cancer.

Ortho-phospho-tyrosine

While tyrosine kinases are involved in some carcinogenic processes, I was unable to document the significance (i.e., cancer growth stimulant and measure of cancer) attributed by Clark to "ortho-phospho-tyrosine." Tyrosine phosphorylation is one of the key covalent modifications that occur in multicellular organisms as a result of intercellular communication during embryogenesis and maintenance of adult tissues. The enzymes that carry out this modification are the protein tyrosine kinases (PTKs), which catalyze the transfer of the phosphate of AIP to tyrosine residues on protein substrates. Phosphorylation of tyrosine residues modulates enzymatic activity and creates binding sites for the recruitment of downstream signaling proteins. Because PTKs are critical components of cellular signaling pathways, their catalytic activity is strictly regulated. Many growth factor receptors and retroviral transforming proteins share the property of phosphorylating proteins on tyrosine. Protein tyrosine kinase also plays an important role in the viability of several parasites. None of this appears to provide support for the Clark theories.

Herbal eradication of parasites

The herbs recommended by Clark for eliminating parasites have some tradition of use as anthelmintics (worm-killing agents). <7-10>
Black walnut hulls (Juglans nigra): Peripherally mentioned in King's American Dispensatory, recommended in
Indian Herbology of North America. A recent study evaluated a kerosene milky-stage walnut (Juglans spp.) extract, a Russia folk medication, in an animal model. A dose of 75 mg/kg in albino mice provided 100% efficiency against ascariasis <11>.
Wormwood (Artemesia absinthium): Contains absinthian, a well documented anthelmintic with a long history of use, though primarily for round worms, not flukes.
Cloves (Syzygium aromaticum): Mentioned in Green Pharmacy. No current research found.

The only botanical medicine for which I found research demonstrating efficacy against Fasciolopsis buski is the alcohol extract of the root-tuber of Flemingia vestita (not recommended by Clark). <12>

Although the dosages recommended by Clark are unclear and the research has only assessed their efficacy in round worms, the recommended herbs may be effective in the treatment of Fasciolopsis buski. There is no evidence they have any efficacy in patients with cancer or other diseases.

Syncrometer

No research is presented demonstrating that the Syncrometer is a valid diagnostic device or that it correlates with any accepted cancer or other disease diagnostic procedure.

Zapper

No research is presented demonstrating that the Zapper has any physiological effects, let alone ability to kill parasites or cure cancer. The claim that mild electrical shocks to the skin can eliminate intestinal parasites is, frankly, preposterous.


Case histories

The Clark book The Cure for All Cancers presents about a hundred cases, some numbered and some not Since most of the cancer cases are diagnosed with the Synchrometer, not a standard or accepted diagnostic procedure, they do not provide substantiation of the validity of the theories or efficacy of the treatments. Those with accurate diagnoses appear to have either been successfully treated with conventional interventions or fared uniformly poorly. The patients that appeared to respond had no documentation of cancer other than the Syncrometer. Clark intermixes what appear to be accurately conventionally diagnosed cancer patients with patients diagnosed only with the Syncrometer. It gives the superficial appearance of cancer treatment efficacy, but close reading reveals a very clear distinction in outcomes: proper diagnosis -- no results, Syncrometer diagnosis -- results. Peppered throughout the case discussions are such outrageous diagnoses as a patient being "full of fiberglass because she was coughing a lot" and that an elevated alkaline phosphatase level was due to the presence of a dye (DAB) when this is a well known sign of bone cancer metastases!

Clarks's The Cure for All Advanced Cancers is a more sophisticated book. It provides about a hundred citations for various aspects of her theories and the "cured" cancer cases are provided in far more detail. Many of the individual statements she makes are consistent with the current scientific knowledge. For example, many environmental toxins (e.g., polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons) do cause cancer, heavy metals do damage immune function, iron deficiency does decrease cytochrome P450 activity, mycotoxins do increase the risk of certain cancers, etc. However, such statements of common knowledge, while seeming to provide science, do not provide substantiation of her theories.

For analysis of the validity of the "cured cancer cases, I consulted an oncologist, Dr. Aron Primack. At my request, he reviewed The Cure for All Advanced Cancers. He makes several observations:

A biopsy proof is required to diagnose cancer and the same is true for the fast evidence of metastases.

Infammatory lesions of all organs occur, and these can mimic cancer in every respect. These lesions then heal with time and credit is often given to intervening "therapies" such as those described in this book

Even in bona fide cases of malignancy, chemotherapy and radiation therapy, as well as surgery, can make people feel worse after treatment and this can mimic ongoing disease, requiring a period of time of healing before one can assess the treatment.

The cases in this book are all of an extreme nature. They all have more widespread disease and odder distribution of metastases than one sees in oncology practice. The pattern of spread of disease in these patients is different from that normally seen in comparable patients.

There are clearly stated "causes" for findings that do not stand up to scrutiny. E.g. Case 25 (Hodgkin's Disease) in which she states: night sweats are caused by Mycobacterium Avium brought in by ascaris. There is NO indication of this. Hodgkin's Disease patients have had numerous biopsies of these nodes and there has never been a correlation with tuberculosis or ascaris.
Blood tests are not a substitute for biopsies. They may improve, such as in prostate cancer, but the cells may be more undifferentiated and the cancer actually worse.

Finally, spontaneous improvements do occur.

He assessed the diagnostic procedures and outcomes in many of the cases. In summary, he did not find adequate diagnostic evidence indicative of cures. In particular, he found many examples where changes in radiological or other reports were either misinterpreted, or not the appropriate diagnostic tool for the interpretations presented. For example, changes in bone scans or x-rays were often cited as documentation of the presence and remission of cancer. However, without proper biopsies, the lesions described could indicate a tumor, metastasis, infection, inflammtion, or simply a developmental abnormality.

As can be see from the above analysis, there is no significant substantiation for the Clark theories, diagnostic procedures, therapies or claimed clinical successes.

Claim B. WHD's herbal formulas, care packages, herbal care packages and the Zapper Electrical Unit are effective in treating and curing Alzheimer's Disease.

There is no competent and reliable evidence that the WHD formulas and packages effectively treat or cure Alzheimer's disease.

Claim C. WHD's herbal formulas, care packages and herbal cure packages are effective in treating and curing diabetes.

There is no competent and reliable evidence that the WED formulas and packages effectively treat or cure diabetes.

Claim D. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal care packages are effective in treating and curing arthritis.

There is no competent and reliable evidence that the WHD formulas and packages effectively treat or cure arthritis.

The rationales for my evaluation of Claims B, C, and D are considered together as they are all supposedly substantiated by one source, Clark's book The Cure for All Diseases.

Clark's theory of the causes and treatment of all diseases is essentially the same as for cancer. It suffers from the deficiencies noted above. Her claims of cure also suffer from the same problems of invalid diagnostic and evaluative procedures which provide no substantiation for either the presence of the disease or its eradication and therapies with no reliable documentation of efficacy.

On the front page of this book Clark sets the stage with the assertion: "Electricity can now be used to kill bacteria, viruses, and parasites in minutes, not days or weeks as antibiotics require." Other than describing her "discovery process", she provides no substantiation for this assertion. If her electrical device could indeed kill these microorganisms, it would be simple to perform and reproduce this effect in any microbiology laboratory or biology classroom.

This is followed by the equally undocumented assertion of cause on page 2: "No matter how long or confusing is the list of symptoms a person has, from chronic fatigue to infertility to mental problems, I am sure to find only two things wrong: they have in them pollutants and/or parasites. I never find lack of exercise, vitamin deficiencies, hormone levels or anything else to be a primary causative factor."

This statement appears to simply ignore hundreds of thousands of studies published in the peer-reviewed research literature to the contrary.

For Alzheimer's disease, Clark adds to the basic theory the assertion that xylene and toluene, from decaffeinated powders and carbonated drinks, are "brain-seeking" toxins, as are aluminum, mercury, freon, thallium, and cadmium and the bacterium Shigella. While these solvents and heavy metals are indeed toxic to the brain, there is no substantiation of their presence, other than the Syncrometer. The therapies recommended are unlikely to be toxic (except the excessively high dosage of vitamin B2); they are also unlikely to have an effect unless the patient was deficient in one or more of them, not uncommon in an elderly population. The four case histories given are not at all compelling, with only one showing possible improvement Considering the variability of Alzheimer's disease, such cases need to be followed objectively for months before efficacy can be assessed.

For diabetes, Clark adds infestation of the pancreas with Eurytrema pancreatum, a cattle fluke, as a cause. She also asserts that methanol is a toxin found in all patients with diabetes. There is no research to support either of these claims. However, several of the therapies recommended may help some patients with adult onset (NIDDM) diabetes. Specifically, fenugreek seeds and the trace mineral chromium may be beneficial in improving blood sugar levels and bilberry extract may decrease the vascular damage seen in patients with diabetes. The case results presented suggest possible improvement in several, and could be the result of improved diet and supplementation with these natural therapies. However, longer term monitoring would be required to assess actual outcomes. The WHD diabetes formula (black walnut, wormwood, cloves, l-arginine, l-ornithine, african bird cayenne, burdock root, and marshmallow root) does not contain any of the herbs or nutrients known to improve diabetes.

For rheumatoid arthritis, Clark asserts that the worms actually live in the joints. For osteoarthritis, she asserts that chronic, undetected staph and strep infections are responsible. She also believes that excessive phosphates (from meat, soft drinks and grams) are a problem in this condition. There is no substantiation for these theories. The case histories presented were diagnosed based only on symptoms, not standard diagnostic procedures. Without an accurate diagnosis, it is impossible to determine if there is any significance to the very modest clinical improvements in a few of the cases. There was no apparent pattern in the therapies, so I am unable to determine if they've any valid theoretical basis. However, one therapy, recommending the avoidance of nightshade family foods, does have some research support for patients with osteoarthritis.

Claim E. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages, herbal care packages and the Zapper Electrical Unit are effective in treating and curing AIDS and HIV infection.

There is no competent and reliable evidence that the WHD formulas and packages effectively treat or cure HIV/AIDS. In addition, I believe the WHD claim and the Clark book pose a serious public health hazard. The risk of contagion of the deadly HIV virus is well documented.

Clark's theory for the cause of HIV/AIDS is essentially the same as for other diseases. For HIV/AIDS, she adds the assertion that the HIV virus is found in the snail stage of the Fasciolopsis lifecycle and develops into the human version due to accumulation of benzene in the thymus. She further asserts the fluke is necessary for the HIV virus to maintain its presence in the body and that "benzene is the cause of AIDS <13>.

Clark's theory has no validity. There is no research documenting the presence of the any type of HIV virus in snails, no research supporting the unusual prevalence of a fluke such as Fasciolopsis buski in HIV positive patients, no evidence of benzene contamination in HIV positive patient, no evidence that benzene preferentially accumulates in the thymus, no evidence that a parasitic infection is necessary for the maintenance of an HIV infection and no evidence that benzene has any relationship to HIV.

Clark asserts to have cured HIV/AIDS based on 58 numbered and approximately 30 unnumbered patients in her book The Cure for HIV and AIDS. Virtually all were "diagnosed" as HIV positive based on her Syncrometer, not standard blood tests. There is no substantiation of the validity of the Syncrometer as an accurate measure of HIV virus, let alone being able to determine in which organs it resides. Of these 88 reported cases, only 14 actually had blood tests. The test results were typically reported by the patient and not confirmed by Clark and most of them were not reported in enough detail to determine their validity. Of the 14 with a blood test, three were actually negative, even though reported positive by the Syncrometer. One of these apparently became IHV positive during therapy. Of the 11 with possibly accurate diagnoses, only 3 reported the type of test performed. Of those reported to have become HIV negative according to "clinical tests," the type of blood test was only stated in 4. While PCR has validity in tracking the viral load of an HIV positive patient, to be valid it needs to be performed serially by the same laboratory using the same methodologies, due to the highly variable genetics of the virus. Of particular significance, however, is that during the early 90s when these tests were run, PCR was a new procedure with low reliability.

The clinical results of the 11 with a possibly accurate diagnosis are highly variable, ranging from continued progression of the disease, to patient-reported subjective improvements to those who left before completion of therapy. The information provided does not document actual improvement, let alone cure, and the concomitant use of conventional therapy was not reported.

The therapies recommended have no research supporting their efficacy in the eradication of the HIV virus. The "Zapper" does not appear to have been subjected to any objective research evaluation and the idea that an electrical current will selectively destroy specific viruses has no credibility. As discussed above, the "deworming" therapies may be effective in eliminating some parasites, but have no research supporting elimination of the HIV virus.

To diagnose a person as HIV positive based on an unproven device without a confirmatory blood test is unconscionable. The needless worry and suffering this causes is appalling, as is the anguish of the spouses who thought they were in a monogamous relationship and parents with no understanding of how their young children could have become infected. Asserting cure because this device no longer reports the disease is not in anyway credible.

Not only is there no substantiation for these diagnostic and therapeutic claims, I believe this website and the Clark books pose a serious public health hazard. HIV is a deadly communicate virus whose incidence of infection is again increasing. Convincing an HIV positive patient that he or she is HIV negative after a few weeks of ineffective therapy, implying he or she no longer needs to practice safe sex is outrageous. This is likely to increase the spread of the disease and undermine the efforts of public health departments across the country to contain it.

Claim F. WHD's herbal formulas, cure packages and herbal cure packages, when used by persons with cancer, make surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary.

As discussed above, there is no competent and reliable evidence that the WHD formulas and packages effectively treat or cure cancer. Therefore the recommendation that these interventions make surgery or chemotherapy unnecessary is equally inappropriate and may deter a patient from obtaining an accurate diagnosis and potentially life-saving therapy.


Conclusion

Not only is there is no competent and reliable evidence that the WHD formulas and packages effectively treat or cure cancer, AIDS or other serious diseases, I believe their claims pose a substantive public health danger. This ranges from: allowing serious disease to progress untreated to the increased risk of the spread of the deadly virus due to HIV-infected individuals mistakenly believing their virus is eradicated.



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Lies, misrepresentations, propaganda and proselytizing of false cures is unethical, immoral and illegal.

Greedy criminals like Clark and her supporters are the reason why Mrs. King died in Mexico.

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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 03:32 AM
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57. You are in error
Claiming that the federal government cannot be trusted because they are in the hands of special interests is a red herring argument. A logical fallacy. Very common in the alternative medicine community.

Show me the scientific evidence which supports Clark's medical claims. Please do not post a page full of links to alternative science pages. Give me a paper in a legitimate science journal, or explain to me in your own worlds the principals behind Clark's 'discoveries'. The latter challenge is more rigorous and would require a thorough knowledge of science, medicine, and biochemistry. If you are up to the task I would be happy to oblige.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-20-06 09:32 PM
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58. I'm going to hang that around his neck until he proves it works.
Or decides to retract his support of that buzzard.

Why would anyone listen to someone who believes parasites cause cancer and AIDS?
And that mild shocks to the skin cures them?

No credibility.

None.
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