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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:24 PM
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Aboriginal children 'can count without numbers'
LONDON (AFP) – Australian Aboriginal children can count even without having words for numbers, according to a study by British and Australian experts released Tuesday.

The findings run counter to recently revived scientific claims that children can only count if they know the words for numbers, said the lead author of the research, from University College London (UCL).

The study found that four to seven-year-olds from two Aboriginal communities have an "innate system" to count with, even though their languages only have normal words for one, two, few and many.

"Recently, an extreme form of linguistic determinism has been revived which claims that counting words are needed for children to develop concepts of numbers above three," said Professor Brian Butterworth of UCL.

"That is, to possess the concept of 'five' you need a word for five," he said, adding that evidence from numerate societies as well as Amazonians whose language does not have counting words have been used to support the claim.


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"For example, children were asked to put out counters that matched the number of sounds made by banging two sticks together," said Butterworth.

"They had to use an abstract representation of, for example, the fiveness of the bangs and the fiveness of the counters.

At the end he said: "We found that Warlpiri and Anindilyakwa children performed as well as or better than the English-speaking children on a range of tasks, and on numerosities up to nine, even though they lacked number words.

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http://news.yahoo.com/story/afp/20080819/sc_afp/sciencebritainaustraliaaborigineslanguage
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:41 PM
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1. Yes, from time to time some sanity comes to cognitive linguistics.
Usually imposed from without with great resistance. And repeatedly. Over time.

The claims just keep surfacing, like poorly buried bodies in a flood-prone area.

"Cognitive linguistics", of course, has precious little to do with "cognitive sciences" ... apart from the claims of "cognitive linguists."
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:53 PM
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2. And that, my friend, is the 'fiveness' of life....n/t
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 05:33 PM
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3. recommending giving me fiveness up top.
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