Bush Unfettered, at Starlight News

[Nancy Waterman]

Like tiny islands spread out in some unfathomable sea, alone and disconnected from each other and the world, the various constructs that dwell within George Bush’s mind have no contact or even awareness of each other. On stage for all nations to witness on the day of his second Inauguration was the Evangelizer-in-Chief who proclaimed his God-given mandate to bring the One True Faith of Democracy to the oppressed masses of the planet. He clearly stated that the central purpose of his second term would be the promotion of democracy "in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world." Mutating idealism to the fantasy realm of a fairytale, Bush casually brushed aside the constrictions of the arduous and challenging reality in which we live.

Hiding in the wings on that same day, however, and insulated completely from the Crusader of Freedom and Democracy, was the Avenger of Evil, whose goal is to destroy all terrorists, no matter their cause, and hence all evil, from the world. In this corner of the Bush psyche, an alliance with several repressive and tyrannical regimes, such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, is appropriate and welcome. Unfortunately, the Avenger of Evil is unaware that many of these same terrorists that he wishes to annihilate see themselves struggling against what they experience as oppressive tyrannies, and they feel that terrorism is their only means of fighting against a high-tech and more powerful enemy. Granted their methods may seem repugnant and brutal to many in the civilized world, but their ultimate goal is often understood by them as liberation from the control of an outside force, in many ways similar to the goals so loftily and grandiosely described by the Evangelizer-in-Chief.

http://starlightnews.com

[davsand]

1. Well done, Nancy!

As always, you lay it out in a way I can understand...

Something that I have mentally carried during the entire first term for the Texas idjit, is the idea that he'll not finish his time in the WH, and that Cheney will never be the President.

Initially, I thought it would be some kind of uncovered crime that would reduce support from the "big money guys" who put that clown in office that would take him down. I just knew he was gonna get busted and his buddies were gonna turn on him to protect themselves and what they have gained with the help of the chimp.

It never happened in the first term, but now, I'm wondering if maybe it WILL come to pass in the next couple of years. Is it possible that there will be a completely different Republican in the WH by the end of the next four years?

Laura

[Nancy Waterman]

2. Laura - anything is possible

I just think there will be some powerful things going on in 2006 that will damage him and may thwart his efforts. I don't know if it will drive him from office. Chiron does seem to call forth some interesting creativity to compensate for the wound. I can't imagine how that will unfold.

[Me.]

3. Terrific Nancy!

You always manage to hone in on the gist of the matter, and in this one you've described someone who is not only not fit to lead the country and really should be locked up. How I wish this would happen, him carried away to somewhere quiet where he can rest in a cocoon of his delusions. What I am wondering is, if Chiron will wound him effectively enough to dismantle his ambitious domestic plans like the destroying SS?

[Nancy Waterman]

4. I just saw the Daily Show with Seymour Hersh

After hearing his take on the Pentagon's plans for Iran. I hope that is what is thwarted. Attacking Iran would be a disaster. We don't have the troops, and the Iranians won't just sit still for it. They will attack our troops in Iraq. Evidently the geniuses at the Pentagon expect rose petals again. Good grief! Even Democrats supported GWB when we were attacked on 9/11. If Iran is attacked you can expect no less.

Meanwhile, Idiot Boy is taking his happy pills again. Jon Stewart had a clip of him talking about Iraq. It will be a democracy, the elections will go well, everything is wonderful. He looked absolutely radiant. It was beyond bizarre.

[Me.]

6. I'm Thinking It Will Be Thwarted

While the son dreams on I think that now even his father is worried, hence the trip to the WH press office when he was "supposedly" showing some people around the WH. Could be the boy idiot has finally managed to rankle some "patrician" nerves and poppy may be worried that the franchise is in danger. You're right, Iran won't stand for it, and will lob one in our direction, so I'm hoping, fervently, that some of the brainiacs in DC finally get a clue.

[NEOBuckeye]

7. Poppy ought to be worried. His beloved family name is on the verge of ruin

Bush is quickly growing to rival Hitler as the most hated name on the planet. Dubya himself may already have Der Fuhrer beat as the most hated man in recorded human history.

The Bush regime itself, with its' total disdain of the environment, warmongering for profit (Carlyle & Halliburton) and authorization of essentially eternally lethal weapons in Iraq, like Depleted Uranium (4.5 billion years half-life, which you might as well say will in total last something like 20 BILLION YEARS((!) before the radiation degrades to nominal amounts) may have already committed more breathtakingly murderous acts than the Nazis could have ever dreamed.

I see nothing but darkness within the minds and hearts of men like Dick Cheney and the other vile bastards who are running this operation. How much longer will we tolerate them?

[sophie996]

9. the Hersh article

is at http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact

new yorker articles don't usually stay available online more than a week, so this is worth reading now, and saving.

wasn't hersh wonderful on the daily show? so relaxed and humorous--seems like a guy who's very confident in his work, even though what he learns is so frightening.

thanks for all you do, nancy!

[Nancy Waterman]

5. By the way, Mars Pluto conjunction for the next few days

With the Saturn Venus opposition all day Thursday. I think it will be a very stressful few days with lots of explosions in many places and intense violence in Iraq. Also lots of anger and irritablity.

[Delphinus]

22. Hi Nancy,

Question for you about this - is this conjunction a possible reason my dog has been doing things very uncharacteristic of her? I'll tell you, for myself, this has been a very, very hard week.

[Nancy Waterman]

24. Delphinus - I would think your dog would feel all this stressful energy

First Mercury Saturn opposition then Venus Saturn. And in the meantime 3 days of Mars conjunct Pluto. Sadness/grief and agitation/anger/violence all rolled up together. That train wreck in Ca began with someone contemplating suicide. All in all a very rough week. Tomorrow is the culmination of the Mars Pluto. I will be glad when it is over.

[Delphinus]

29. Thank you.

I'm a very overprotective "mom", and had looked her over, up oneside and down the other, and couldn't find any physical reasons for her acting out. I'm very much looking forward to a break from this energy.

[loudsue]

8. A multi-headed monster

The many faces of geedubya... boy! You've nailed it! Great article, Nancy!

I heard on one of the forums that Dick Cheney went on some talk show (Imus, I think) and went on and on about how Israel would prolly hit Iran first.

Now, tell me: Isn't that the stupidest thing any world leader could possibly say? It's not just the cowboy (the OTHER face of george bush) that is totally insane!

I saw Jon Stewart tonite too, and yes, they really are starting up the rhetoric about war with Iran. But, ya know, the U.S. progressed Mars has either just turned Rx, or is about to. And there is a cardinal rule about a Mars Rx: The one to START a battle under Mars Rx, will NOT win. It can be a protracted battle, like Vietnam (which the US began during a transiting Mars Rx). But when Mars is turned inward, you just don't go around doing aggressive acts that go outward. It comes back at you like a boomerang.

Interesting, isn't it, that the most aggressive president in our country's history will be in office when the country's progressed Mars turns inward? AND when the country's Sun progressed to Pisces, of all things? Those are big things happening in our country's chart, and for that reason, I can't help but think that this time in our nation's history will be long-remembered, and the repercussions will be felt for many years to come. I cannot see the U.S. remaining a world power for long. It's just too tragic that so many of us are going to be taken down with them.

I hope the rest of the world leaders....the ones with any sense at all, will get on top of this to prevent a 3rd world war. They were all appalled at his inauguration speech, and I hope repercussions from that will be that war with Iran can be averted through those other world leaders' efforts.

Chiron on the MH opposite Saturn, indeed. The Chiron wound (at least, ONE of the Chiron wounds) was the speech itself. He gave notice to the rest of the world in that speech, and I think the rest of the world may do whatever they need to to stop this maniacal administration from shooting themselves in the other foot, as well.

Yep...the Chiron "wound" is shooting himself in the foot! That's what usually happens when you're trigger happy!

:kick::kick::kick:

[Nancy Waterman]

10. I think Bush's legacy will be the loss of American power

During Clinton, we were at our summit, and it has been downhill ever since. Bush will be remembered for taking America on the road to decline. I think the Dems should hammer this point.

I think he is looking really whacked out lately. Like in a permanent state of disconnected high. Why don't people see this. He is on this evangelical mission to bring democracy and freedom to the world and is completely oblivious to all the killing and the damage he is doing. Talk about a state of denial! This is beyond denial and into the realm of delusion.

[Pallas180]

14. The loss of the VALUE of the American dollar - Davos is not happy

with dimson, and those people run the world.

Short but interesting article here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/business/worldbusiness/26cnd-davos.html?ex=1264482000&en=ccf12ba4bcc757cb&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

[Nancy Waterman]

11. Rice sworn in tonight

Rice will be sworn-in tonight with a more elaborate swearing-in on Friday. But tonight's is the official birth of her time as SoS. Any help on an exact time will be greatly appreciated!! The chart will be horrid no matter what: Mars conjunct Pluto (note all the violence today through Friday) and Veus opposite Saturn (note all the sorow connected with all the violence.) She already has very difficult aspects in her natal chart. This will only cement the rough ride she will have. An exact chart would be very helpful.

[devinsgram]

13. I don't think Rice will last.

She will make such blunders and be total embarrassment they will get rid of her.

[Cha]

12. "Chief Elephant"! I like that!

Since the inaugeration time was moved up..maybe it's better for our Country that the "major failure or stressor that will leave a permanent wound on its reputation and impede its goals."..will be closer to 2008 and more Fresh in the minds of voters?

[Nancy Waterman]

15. Condi oath chart

In the Condi oath chart: Mars conjunct Pluto is very tightly semisquare Mars and quincunx Saturn. She will be very, very aggressive policy wise and not very well liked. Saturn spends a great deal of time either opposite the Sun or conjunct the Moon during the next few years. I think she will also be very serious and not very personable.

Anyone get a time for her swearing in? This is really crucial.

[jrthin]

18. Nancy, excellent article.

Also, according to the NYT article (1.27.05), "Rice Is Sworn In as Secretary After Senate Vote of 85 to 13," Rice was sworn in soon after 7 p.m. by the WH chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr.

[Nancy Waterman]

25. Thanks, jrthin!!

That confirms what someone just sent me: 7:07 PM.

[Nancy Waterman]

16. article on how angry Cheney is over the Hersh article

long but very revealing about Cheney

http://www.thepowerhour.com/news/expose_hits.htm

[Me.]

17. My God

What a delicious read. You know, Baker has always reminded me of Talleyrand, Napoleon's minister and chief henchman, he who Napoleon would describe as a silk stocking full of sh*t. But you never wanted to cross him; smooth on the outside, in reality, he was a cobra ready to strike anyone who he perceived as an enemy. Baker, the smooth water carrier for the bushies and the designated thief of the 2000 election, deserves the slap in the face (and more). But if I were the de facto prez I'd be careful, the man who has been called the consigliere of the bushies may arrange for a horse's head to be placed in cheney's bed, for I don't think Baker will take this laying down.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

19. Thank you for this article. It appears they have their attack dog, Tony

Blankley of the Moonie Times insuating that Sy Hersh is treasonous for writing the article. This must be SOOOOOO on the money! :)

[pacifictiger]

20. Thanks yet again for another great article Nancy.

Just throwing this idea out on an extended note. For a while now I have had a recurring gut feeling of the following scenario:
Ambitious Condi has her eye on the presidency and the SOS position is, in her mind, the best next step to get there. There must be a motive behind all that smoozing with those good ole white boyz for these many years. Years ago she figured out that the way to the top was by associating with the oil power brokers.
On the other hand, in keeping with a symbiotic 'mutual user' relationship, the 'boyz' are only too happy to comply - she would be a perfect patsy for end game failed strategies - 'but I trusted what she taught me, she proported to be the expert' and the subsequent implied 'what else can you expect from a black woman.'
Comments?

[saracat]

21. I can't figure Condi at all. I have wondered about her since she made

that "Freudian slip" and called Bush her husband. Since she has never been married that makes it quite out of the ordinary to slip that way. And I wonder why she has never been married or even appear to be seeing someone even casually? Why is that? She doesn't appear married" to her work. She has other outside interests. She is an accomplished pianist . She is somewhat attractive? She is a real cypher.
I also wonder why she often appears stupid. She was the provost of Stanford and comes from a well educated family. Yet all she seems capable of doing is spinning the Bush Mantra. I'll never forget her saying "who could imagine planes being flown into buildings !" after 9-11!
I have just finishes a book about Thomas Jefferson's slave daughter who was more than three quarters white and went on to "pass' as white. She would look in the mirror and realize she was white but could not identify with them ,even though as a fair skinned redhead, she was one of them. She identified with being black.
I think Condi is the opposite side of that coin. I think she sees herself as white. I think she enjoys being part of the "good ole boys club". But I could be wrong. I am just speculating.

Nancy, do you know anything about Condi astrologically that might give us some info?

[NEOBuckeye]

23. Dubya (Cancer Sun) + Condi (Scorpio Sun) attraction?

Yeah, I know enough about astrology at this point to at least know that there is much more to relationships than Sun signs. Especially seeing as how Dubya's wife, Laura, like Condi, also has a Scorpio Sun. But in many ways it seems that Condi is closer to Dubya than his own wife. Strange that Laura, for her part in all of this, doesn't appear in any way jealous of this other woman's apparent significance to her husband.

[Nancy Waterman]

27. NEO - Laura is probably relieved.

xx

[Me.]

28. According To Kitty Kelly

Laura's heart beats for Tommy Franks

[lancdem]

46. Wow

I never heard that before.

[Nancy Waterman]

26. I have always thought Condi was in love with GWB

I heard her on a talk show once discussing him and the way she talked about him reminded me of a teenager in love. She spends every weekend with them/him as well as holidays, etc. I think she is married to her work and spends all her spare time there.

She is very ambitious: Sun/Venus in the10th, on the MC, square Pluto. Her Sun/Venus is almost exactly square Bush's Venus. Her Mars trines his Moon/ Jupiter. Her Jupiter/ Uranus is on his Saturn. But the biggie is the strong Venus connection. Very strong attraction and affection, or at least as much as he is capable of.

[saracat]

30. Thank you Nancy. Very informative as usual!

Maybe she is only "married to her work" because it is a way of being "married" to Dubya! What a loathsome thought! I guess she isn't as intelligent as her background would indicate! Now that I think of it , if she can be Sec. of State and not be qualified, maybe she really wasn't qualified for any of the other things on her resume. Maybe she is the embodiment of the Peter Principle and has "risen to the level of her incompetence!"

[loudsue]

31. I agree: The Sec. of State job is way over Condi's head.

I'm sure she's very intelligent and dedicated. And I don't think the problem is that she hasn't been around enough to see how the games are played.

She just doesn't appear to be temperamentally and intellectually INDEPENDENT enough to be able to stand toe-to-toe with world leaders of other cultures. She still has that "I'm serving my employers" .... type of personality. She doesn't stand on her own leadership enough to carry much weight with foreign leaders. I think the big boys in foreign countries are going to have her for lunch, Scorpio or no Scorpio.

Besides, her words don't carry any substance.

Nancy, could you post her birth time for me please? :hi:

I'd like to see her chart!

It's kind of pitiful, when you think about it, how she obviously feels toward dubya. And he obviously cares for her, but coming from him, you have to know it's not coming from the healthiest of places (or for the healthiest reasons). This whole administration is just so frikkin' dysfunctional!!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[Nancy Waterman]

35. Condy's data:

11/14/54 in Birmingham, Alabama at 11:30 AM

swearing in for Sec of Sate: 7:07 PM 1/26/05 in DC

[loudsue]

39. Thanks!

Pretty interesting birth chart, ey? The chart of a workaholic, if I've ever seen one. No wonder she's gotten where she is!

For the "swearing in" chart, one thing she does have going for her is that the Mars/Pluto conjunction is in that grand trine with the Moon (12th house) and the N. Node (9th house = foreign countries). That would indicate that she'd have some powerful interactions with foreign countries and their institutions.

The Venus/Mercury/Chiron trilogy in the fifth house, square the 9th house node, and opposite 11th house Saturn says she probably won't be real popular, and things would get mired down a lot. And the Jupiter/Venus square says she's going to think, arrogantly and grandiosely, that the financial strong-arm of the U.S. will "fix" everything. I wonder how that's going to play when the U.S. economy gets kicked in the butt!?? Saturn inconjunct the Mars/Pluto is going to slow her down, considerably....tie her hands a lot.

It just kinda looks like she'll be tripping all over herself. Yep... pretty bad looking chart!

The Mars/Pluto conjunction is also Septile to Neptune.... so not only is she going to be "played" without her being very aware of it, but she's also going to be deceived by the other people in the State Dept., and possibly the White House, whether intentional or not. Either that, or she just doesn't "get" what's going on.

Am I reading that right, Nancy? (I'm still WAY new at mundane interpretations.)

At any rate, I don't think I'd want to be her for the next 4 years.

:kick::kick:

[Nancy Waterman]

41. I wouldn't want to be her either!!

I agree she will be very unpopular and feel obstructed by many events and people. Venus rules the MC and is tightly opposed by Saturn.

What is striking is the strong retarding, inhibiting, and obstructing energy of Saturn (opposite Venus/Mercury, square Jupiter and Node, quincunx Mars) juxtaposed against the very aggressive Mars/Pluto semisquare the Sun energy.

What is also striking is the amount of Saturn transit energy she will be dealing with over the next few years. Saturn will oppose the Oath Sun three times and conjunct the Oath Moon and square the Oath MC twice, with the second time being a protracted station (late 2006). That latter period of intensified and unsuccessful SoS activities (unsuccessful negotiations?) comes in between two crossings of Uranus square US Ascendant. Heaven only knows what will be going on around then.

I think she will have a very difficult time and feel very mired down with events and opposition.

[Me.]

32. What Was Up With Cheney Dressing Like Nanook?

Is this a signal that all's not right with him? (well we all know THAT) But is HE now experiencing problems with himself?

[Nancy Waterman]

34. Cheney has Saturn opposite his Venus

You will keep seeing negative press about him for a few months.

[Me.]

36. I'm Glad To Hear That

but I also wonder if his synapses are slipping, for him to show up dressed like that.

[hippiechick]

38. I think it's just their overall arrogance and disdain showing...

Who cares what the rest of the world thinks ?
He's DICK.
He can do what he wants.
Until Spirit comes to reckon, that is. :evilgrin:


Kef always said that this Administration's own tendency to over-reach would be its downfall ... that the 'common sensical' branch of the GOP would reign them in once they pushed the envelope too far. I think we are starting to see that happen, in several small ways.

I'm just sorry it's taken this long. :(

[Me.]

40. Exactly!

The interesting thing for me in this, is that up until this point, they've made an effort to show up for events as if they actually took them seriously, all part of their spin machine. Letting their arrogance and disdain show was a major slip for Dickie, which says to me he isn't operating on all four cylinders, a very welcome sign. I just hope in my eagerness for his and their downfall that I'm not reading too much into it, at this time, unless this is truly a sign that Nancy's wonderful predictions have already started to kick in.

[Nancy Waterman]

42. ME - Saturn is often bad timing

Those clothes would be fine in a different place and at a different time. His timing is off while he is under so much Saturn, especially tied with Venus, which has to do with attunement to others. He will say things that seem inappropriate (like that Israel might attack Iran) and get criticized. His timing is off and he will be unpopular (Saturn Venus) and become somewhat isolated for the next few months. He will also have Saturn opposite his 6th house Sun at the end of the year, so it is possible his 6th house (health) will suffer for it and his evil whisperings will be removed from the seat of power at least for a while. Even if that doesn't hit his health, he will have significant difficulties at that time.

[Me.]

43. Aha!

and goody gumdrops. Lovely to hear, as this will add to the overall decline and fall of him and his praetorian guard. Many thanks Nancy, i shall enjoy the moment(s).

[Nancy Waterman]

33. Slate article on American decline

http://slate.msn.com/id/2112697/

The word seems to be spreading. What I am waiting to hear repeated over and over is that George Bush's legacy will be the decline of American power. He has decimated our military, our economy, our environment, and our prestige. This is what he will be remembered for.

[NEOBuckeye]

45. CIA says 15 Years Left? Could this be America's "Pluto Return" Nancy?

Given that Pluto is on the verge of entering Capricorn again for the first time since the 18th century, when the United States fist broke away from the British Empire, it seems that we are now coming around full circle to experience tyranny and oppression again, but this time from the US Government itself, as controlled by the Bushes and the GOP. What will be the outcome this time? A breakup of the "empire" from within?

Actually, though, as far as notions of "global dominance" go, I don't think we even have 15 months of it left at the rate Bush, Cheney and the NeoCons are going with Iraq, and now with their beating the drum of war on Iran. We have already fallen down very far in global opinion, and it is only a matter of time before a world increasingly united against us intervenes to smash our already crippled economy because we have become such a menacing bully.

[Nancy Waterman]

47. I felt back in 2001

that it was similar to 1938 or so in Germany. It has only progressed since then. I think we are already crumbling and 15 years is ridiculously long in light of things. But the idea of American decline is taking root and will continue to do so. And it will be clear that it comes from the reign of King George the Moron.

Pluto enters Capricorn in 2008, and that could well be the beginning of a real crumbling of empire. It may be a long period (16 years) of a transformation of earthly power structures. The actual US Pluto return doesn't come til 2022, but the opposition to Venus, Jupiter, and the Sun, and the square to the MC, cover from about 2009 to 2015.

Despite Americans' fantasies, we are no longer globally dominant. It will be a long and painful awakening.

[NEOBuckeye]

49. It can't arrive soon enough for me, Nancy.

The Republican/Neo-Conservative chest beating is getting to be too much to handle. These people all seem to be stuck in some kind of time warp/delusion, even while the rest of us can see clearly exactly what is going on.

Do you suppose there is anything in particular going on with the 13th and 14th degrees of Cancer these past few years? According to charts I've read, both Dubya and the US share a natal sun at 13 Cancer. Meanwhile, the GOP (July 6, 1854 12:00 PM Jackson, Mississippi via starcats.com) has its' natal sun at 14 Cancer. Are they under some unusually strong Neptune influence or something?

[Nancy Waterman]

50. NEO - The current Jupiter station is square to Cancer

It stations at 18 but is crossing square 13-14 Cancer three times. And Neptune has been quincunx that degree from Aquarius for the last year. It is now passing away. The Jupiter is also on Bush's Jupiter Moon conjunction (16 -18 Libra) which is why I think he is far more optimisitic and seemingly successful now than the situation warrents. This will pass in early April except for a brief return in August. In September Saturn begins to hit his Asc/Mercury/Pluto conjunction for a year.

[Nancy Waterman]

37. The last hours of Mars/Pluto

8 cities in Iraq - polling places attacked, police station
(not in US news, only in the Guardian)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1401430,00.html

another helicopter crash

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=1&u=/ap/20050128/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_helicopter_crash

[pacifictiger]

44. US bagdad embassy hit

[Nancy Waterman]

48. Yep, Mars Pluto's final statement.

It has been a dreadful few days.

[Cha]

51. Hi Nancy..I was happy to see that

bush's SOTU tonight would be at 9:00pm EST and the Moon would be VOC!

Was I right to feel elation because ol' lie face would be speaking with the Moon Void Of Course?

[SpiralHawk]

52. The standard rap on VOC Moon

is that ideas and actions typically come to naught.

In the eyes of most astrologers, a VOC moon would rank as a poor time for an important event such as the State of the Union address.

[Cha]

53. That's what I'm talkin' about!

Thanks, SpiralHawk..I just wanted more opinions on that than my own!

[Nancy Waterman]

54. I think the Axis of Evil speech was on a VOC Moon

I think sometimes things turn out differently than expected under a VOC Moon as well as sometimes not coming to fruition. For the most part, Bush is under his Jupiter return now and will propbably seem successful and get a bounce in the polls through March 11. He looked pretty good tonight in terms of not being crazed and being fairly smooth and confident. He is oozing Jupiter now so we might as well not fret too much that he seems to be so successful in what he is doing. Big changes in late March and Aoril (Uranus) and then difficulties begin in May, June and onward as Saturn starts to hit him again.

Much of what he said tonight sounded great but I don't think much of it will ultimately mean a lot. I doubt he will actually pay for half of what he promised.

[Cha]

55. Thanks, Nancy! I guess we'll just have to

wait until April and beyond to have any kind of reality set in..that's all I want..a big dose of REALITY.

[Nancy Waterman]

56. Saturn = Reality

That is why Saturn and Neptune are a difficult combination.

[Nancy Waterman]

57. Anyone know when Gonzales will take his oath of office?

I can't find any reference to him being sworn in yet.

I just found this:

Within minutes of the vote, Bush congratulated Gonzales by phone, and Vice President Cheney swore him in as attorney general.

So the question now is: when was the vote finalized?

[Me.]

58. He Was Sworn In Approx.

6pm

"He was sworn in around 6 p.m. EST as the nation's 80th attorney general by Vice President Dick Cheney in a private ceremony in the White House. Bush, during his trip Thursday to North Dakota and Montana, called Gonzales to congratulate him after the vote."


http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2005/02/03/ap/headlines/d881e8s00.txt

[Me.]

59. At Astroworld

They have a 5:35 pm EST time given by the AP

[Nancy Waterman]

60. Thanks, ME.

Much appreciated!

[SpiralHawk]

61. I've got a feeling this ain't gonna be pretty

Justice will be more than shrouded.

[Cha]

62. Hi, Nancy..

With all this outing of gannon/guckert..I'm wondering what's going on astrologically with the white house and if it will have any satisfactory conclusion(that's asking a lot, I know).

I like talking about all this news in regards to how the Planets and Stars are.. if you're not too busy.

Thanks,
zidzi

[Nancy Waterman]

63. Hi zidzi!

The one thing I can find, other than Jupiter sitting on *'s Jupiter, is in the Inaugural chart. The natal Inaugural Ascendant is 12Taurus57 and the natal Neptune is 14Aquarius33. The Ascendant, by secondary progression, moves at 86 minutes per year, and 86 minutes per month by tertiary. Thus the tertiary progressed Ascendant is exactly square to Neptune for most of this month, exact around the 24th or so. What we are seeing now will give us a taste of what we will get later during the secondary progressed, much longer, aspect, which runs from 5/05 to 1/06. I think the best example is the budget fantasy perpetrated by * upon the American people. There is also the fantasy of how well Iraq is doing. The secondary progression will also not have the benefit of Jupiter to smooth the way for His Highness.

As for the past few days, N Korea made its announcement when the Sun was quincunx Saturn, effectively activating the depressing energy of the Saturn stationary period, soon upon us. Mercury is quincunx Saturn today, continuing the tense, somber energy.

On a more personal note, Saturn is moving into a station quincunx my Moon. Under this lovely triggering from the Sun and Mercury of the past two days, my son has come down with a very nasty flu. Tomorrow the Moon will square Saturn. I am hoping after that, his fever will break.

[Cha]

64. Oh, Nancy..thanks for

taking time to do this when you have such important personal matters going on.

There is a homeopathic remedy "oscillococcinum" that is excellent for symptoms of flu.. fever, chills, body aches and pains. Reports from our customers say even after it's started and been going on for two weeks that it helped.

http://homeoinfo.com/06_materia_medica/other/oscillococcinum.php

I hope your son gets well fast and since you know about your impending "Saturn quincunx with your Moon"..maybe it will lessen the harshness.


I can't wait for April when that Jupiter is protecting his chimpiness!

[Nancy Waterman]

65. Another example of Neptune on the misadministration

the story about how they hid the truth about the many warnings before 9/11 has just surfaced.

deception, deceit, obfuscation...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0211-12.htm


zidzi - I have been wondering what to give him. I have given him a few doses of influenzinum. Otherwise the symptoms haven't been clear enough for me to choose a remedy. I could try oscillococinum. I haven't had much luck with that in the past. He is now on day three of a temperature that is peaking at 103.3. And he has a scratchy sore throat. From what I have seen, these things usually go for either two or four days before they begin to subside. So I am guessing the fever may start to break after tomorrow night and the Moon Saturn square.

[jrthin]

66. Nancy, no medicine

recommendation for your son, except to say a speedy "feeling better" time for him and his mom.

[Cha]

67. Yeah, you know what is best!

I see where I made a mistake in my post on wishing for April to come so bush won't be protected by Jupiter..is what I meant to say.. but it's too late to correct the error.

Thanks for the commondreams link..the bush people are every bit as culpable as we imagined..probably more than we can ever conceive.

Hope his fever breaks when you think it will.

[loudsue]

68. Wow! That's a nasty fever!

Nancy, I hope he starts feeling better real soon. There has been a NASTY stomach flu going around...all around the country, but really hitting the east coast full blast right now. It has been lasting anywhere from a couple of days to a week.

Oscillococinum is great for a head/chest type flu, but not much help for the digestive tract.

Crushed ice for the upset stomach, dissolved in the mouth, also helps rehydrate and cool off from the fever.

Those Ricola cough drops are GREAT for a scratchy throat.

_____________________


As for bush: I've seen a bunch of garbage coming out more and more in the press about this administration, from the 9/11 FAA warnings, to the budget, to the social security, to the Iran threats, to dollar dropping warnings, to the Gannon scandal (added to the other media pundits who have been paid off).... it just seems to be building against him all of a sudden. I guess his Jupiter is what has the press still fawning all over him, but maybe when that Jupiter subsides, the press is going to wake up one morning and say, "hey. I'm tired of holding up this loser!"

O8) We can only pray!! O8)

:kick::kick::kick:

[Me.]

69. May I Recommend Elderberry Syrup?

available at health food stores. Sally M. told me about it and it has been a wonder in clearing up colds and flu. I think Nature's Way is the brand.

[Nancy Waterman]

70. Thanks, everyone, for all the healing thoughts and good ideas

He actually seems better today. I think it peaked last night. Now I can have one big long sigh of relief!!!



Meanwhile, did anyone get the time when Howard Dean actually became DNC Chiarman?

[Cha]

71. Good news on your son, Nancy!

I don't know the time..but we have to find that out. It seems like it's been a really good day, astrologically speaking. I could feel it in the air:D

[Nancy Waterman]

73. As the Moon moves to square Saturn

my son's temperature is rising again. I hope this is the end of it.

It seems that Dean was crowned at 11:11 AM. The chart has several good aspects and shows lots of idealism and growth (Jupiter trine Sun/Mercury/Neptune/Venus; Neptune conjunct Venus; Pluto sextile Sun, Sun sextile Node very exact.

My only concern is that for the 2006 election, Saturn will be opposite the Sun Mercury of this chart and square the Sun in the Dem Party chart. We may not do as well as we would like for that election. There are many other charts including Dean's own to study before we jump to conclusions, but this is not a great sign.

[Cha]

72. Can't find the time yet but here's

a wonderful snapshot of what Dean is doing so far..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1590627#1591575

[Nancy Waterman]

74. Comparing Rome to America

http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday_review/story/0,3605,564084,00.html

Most historians see a relationship, in the case of Rome, between its internal decay and its susceptibility to invasion. By the fourth century, if not much before, Rome had lost its central value, the legacy of Greek culture, and was effectively existing for the sake of military and administrative purposes.

As it overextended itself, creating a huge standing army and a bloated military budget, the middle class began to disappear, and there was a reciprocal, reinforcing interaction between internal decadence and instability on the one hand, and external vulnerability on the other. I n the case of the United States, the nation no longer stands for the enlightenment tradition, but rather for military-political hegemony and the total commodification of life