Obama and astrology ... a quick thought

[ccpup]

Many of you might be aware of me currently flexing -- or finding -- my astrological muscles by doing write-ups on the "top three" candidates. So, in order to make it perhaps easier to follow, I've decided to start breaking it down to one or two aspects and focusing on how we might be seeing that astrology in the chart manifesting in a real-time campaign.

With Obama, his natal chart has Jupiter both in opposition to Mercury and trine the Moon which, to me, is found in his Jupiterian (is that even a word?) messages of Hope and Change, of Faith and Working Together. Very Jupiter, very expansive, optimistic, very broad (no nit-picky details, please) and, with the Moon involved by trine, incredibly easy (trine) for him to emotionally connect to and project (both Jupiter and Moon traits) to his audiences with.

But where does the Mercury come in? Mercury is the planet of communication, yes, but he's also the planet of details, of plans, of the How, specifically, something will be done. If Jupiter is the Dreamer, then Mercury would be the policy wonk happily buried in spreadsheets and mountains of files, just itching to regale his audiences with every single percentage and number and hypothesis he's learned. With Obama strongly exercising his Jupiter and Moon with his messages of Hope (and, with that trine, who can blame him? it's second nature and very easy to do!), the opposition with that Mercury -- ignored for the most part -- grows more and more tense.

Planets in opposition, for me, feel like a teeter-totter. The trick is to not have one planet up in the air all the time while the other planet sits on the ground. You have to find balance. And lately I think poor Mercury in Obama's chart has been stuck on the ground waiting for his turn in the sun while his Jupiter's (aided by that "if it feels good let's do it" Moon) been hogging the view from on high! Eventually, the planet that's been struggling for true expression -- and, although Mercury aids Jupiter in communicating his Hope and Change, Faith and Working Together message, that's not his true detail-oriented expression -- will eventually have a temper-tantrum and get his due.

And his time is coming from an astrological stand point.

The SP Moon -- or Secondary Progressed Moon -- doesn't carry qualities of it's own as much as it's a big, bright spotlight illuminating whatever planet it meets. And, since late December, it's been partying it up in a "hey, let's get together and hang out like good buds" conjunction with Jupiter, Jupiter, Jupiter (and his Natal Moon, by trine)! It's been a buoyant message of Jupiter optimism twenty-four/seven to adoring crowds which, in very Jupiter fashion, have been HUGE! And the more they responded, the more his Jupiter and Moon went "YEAH! WOO-HOO!" ignoring the Mercury in the back going "but ... but ... but ..."

Everything associated with Jupiter tends to get big, big, BIG. But it's often like a balloon in that, once Jupiter isn't in play, it quickly and quite disconcertingly deflates before one's very eyes. And then what is one left with?

In Obama's case, his Mercury. Ah, Mercury. With the SP Moon moving into an opposition with Mercury -- not conjunct like he was with Jupiter or trine like he was with the Moon -- from mid-January to mid-February, the Devil will be in the Mercury-like details for Obama.

No longer will the message of Hope and Optimism have the HUGE (or Jupiter-like) power it had earlier in the month. The people, the Press, the other candidates, maybe even his own Senior Staff will be insisting -- the nature of an opposition where someone or something is forcing one to do something one might not ordinarily do -- Obama move out his natural Jupiter comfort zone and move into the messy library of Mercury details. A place he may not feel all that comfortable in.

How will he do? His chart indicates times of growing tension and frustration through February and into March and April, but that can be the nature of a long campaign and not him. If it IS him, it might be because Jupiter gets bored with the blah, blah, blah of all this REALITY and sneaks into Mercury's details, quite innocently fudging numbers or facts to make something look better than it is. Very Jupiter thing to do, with all his boundless optimism.

But Mercury will hopefully slap his hand away and insist on "just the facts, please", leaving Jupiter on the ground for a minute while Mercury has HIS time in the Sun.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Interesting analysis

I'm not that versed in astrology, knowing basically about the natal chart and that's it. Your analysis and explanation of the importance of trines and oppositions gives me a greater understanding. I'm enjoying and appreciating your posts.

[ccpup]

2. thank you for the reply, ayeshahaqqiqa

my poor Leo Asc was beginning to pout! :evilgrin:

[katty]

3. yeah, checked his chart, agree-he'll have alot more explanin'

to do very shortly.

[ccpup]

4. I think with the current "Reagan Flap" and his message of Hope

losing some of it's earlier "umph" as people begin asking for more specifics, we're now seeing the effects of the SP Moon moving away from Obama's Jupiter and into that opposition with his Mercury. His message -- with the Saturn transits to his Pluto, Chiron and Part of Fortune (as well as Natal Moon later) -- will need to be more specific and more disciplined. I think if he were to continue trying to recapture the earlier buoyancy he experienced in late December and early January when SP Moon was conjunct Jupiter and trine Natal Moon, he'll continue to trip up and make unnecessary mistakes.

But that SP Moon hasn't left Jupiter yet. It's exact on Monday, so he may actually benefit in NV from the waxing aspect -- akin to a teakettle preparing to whistle -- of this progression. But with it having passed Jupiter and then squarely opposite Mercury by SC, he may run into unexpected disappointment there, of some kind.

Just my two cents.

[ccpup]

5. from this snippet in TPM

I think it clearly illustrates the SP Moon seeking balance with a detail-oriented Mercury.

...

"As for the "excesses" comment, Obama was perhaps referring to the perception of governmental excess that Reagan so skillfully exploited, but it seems clear that at the very least there were some poor choices of words by Obama here."

...

The phrase "poor choices of words" stood out for me as indicative of the SP Moon with Jupiter riding the wave of the thought and not necessarily expressing oneself accurately (very Mercury) or even factually (again, very Mercury).

This teeter-totter back-and-forth journey seeking the balance between Inspiring with Hope and Answering with Facts and Clarity will be one Obama will be dealing with over the next month or so.

link:

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/hillary_campaign_opens_fire_on_obama_over_reagan_comments.php

[lavenderdiva]

6. I've enjoyed reading your thoughts on Obama-

I was wondering if you have had a chance to do the charts on the other 2 candidates, and how their charts bode for the upcoming election? I would be interested to see what you see on them-

[ccpup]

7. I had an earlier thread with Edwards and Clinton included

take a look: :hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=60120&mesg_id=60120

[lavenderdiva]

8. thank you-

I am fascinated by astrology, but in no way, know anything about what a lot of it means. As much as I could tell, it seemed that you were saying that Obama might be on the ticket as a VP, but that you didn't see him in the top slot. It seemed that you could see that spot perhaps for Hillary? Would you briefly share what you think about Edwards' chances?

In one of your posts you share that you are an actor... Would we have the pleasure of seeing your work and where? :hi:

[ccpup]

9. It's quite possible we could see Hillary get the Nomination

with Obama on as VP. His astrology indicates continued popularity while hers indicates an undeniable rise to a position of power and authority. As for Edwards, he may do better in the February 5 Primaries than expected, but immediately after that -- with Saturn squaring his Jupiter/Moon conjunction -- I expect him to drop out.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Obama wins the Nevada Caucus today. His astrology for tomorrow is very happy.