anybody have astrological info on Governor Palin?

[Callie McAllie]

I checked this site as soon as I got home, hoping something would be posted already.

I just can't believe he picked her. Seems like an incredibly stupid move to me. I know she's hot, and I sympathize about the youngest child, but honestly what was McCain thinking?

[I Have A Dream]

1. Here's her chart. I wasn't able to find her birth time, so it's created for noon.

Therefore, you can't count on the ascendant, the houses and the Moon. The Moon was also in Capricorn on that day, so her Moon could be in either Capricorn or Aquarius.

[Thirtieschild]

15. McCain obviously didn't consult an astrologer before he picked her.

Her Neptune is trouble. Natally squares her Sun and Mars, and transits between the two planets between now and Inauguration Day. There is something hidden and deceptive and I'd expect it to sink her when it comes out. I assume the National Enquirer is already working on it, whatever it is.

[Matariki]

27. I would add Saturn into that mix, since it's part of that stellium

yuck. I think it supports the idea that it's really her husband making many of her gubernatorial decisions. Definitely deception with that Scorpio Neptune squaring that stellium.

[Matariki]

28. The chart of a dishonest person, and indications of scandal

Not to mention the possibility of falling prey to religious self deception/self importance.

I'd love to see the chart with her real birth time and where that Sun/Mars/Saturn stellium falls.

I'll be surprised if she makes it all the way to the ballot. I don't think she can possibly stand up to the scrutiny that is about to befall her. May have worked for her in a sparsely populated and insular state like Alaska, but she's fooling herself if she thinks her skeletons aren't going to see the light of day. And she definitely has them...

[katty]

54. Sun/Mars/Saturn in Aquarius- squares Neptune in Scorpio?

[northernlights]

2. I don't even think she's hot

although maybe to a 73 year old, lol. But they played a clip of her on the Lehrer report tonight. Oh. My. God. It reminded me of a "low end" trophy wife that a friend of mine once referred to as "tough to love." I asked him why. "That voice!" Palin's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard. She's that shrill.

I'd write about her substance, but there isn't any. I cannot imagine anyone so totally unqualified to be one frail heartbeat from the president.

Seriously, I think they expect her to nail down the evangelical base and think that anything with ovaries will draw Hillary supporters. Given how she's tried in the past to elevate herself to Hillary's level by trashing her, that's not likely to work to well for them.

[Bluestar]

3. "hot", "shrill", "trophy wife" "tough to love" ??

You can't be serious. Please ask yourself why you are assessing this woman on her looks and her appeal, rather than what she believes in.

There's plenty enough to criticize (anti-choice, ANWR drilling, against same-sex marriage) for us Democrats, but why oh why, do you need to reduce this to a sexist rant? This is exactly what women are fighting against but it is so ingrained in our culture it seems to be acceptable.

[northernlights]

5. I call'em as I see'em

I was being rather facetious in my first part, which is why I started my 100% serious response with the word, "Seriously." Besides, I had the same initial response to Dan Quayle. Shallow picks generate shallow reactions, regardless of gender.

2. Precisely 33% of her "qualifications" are based 100% on looks. See her nutshell resume in #7 below for detail.

3. She is herself the worst kind of sexist -- the sort of woman who attempts to elevate herself by trashing the women who made it possible for her to reach her position to begin with. (see point #10 below).

4. Like it or not, reality is that the vast majority of people respond first from their gut feel and in reaction to superficial aspects...like appearance. Man or woman, appearance and voice quality *do* matter. That is why studies have repeatedly shown, for example, that ugly people are heavily discriminated against in hiring. The first part of my response addresses how very many people, male and female alike, *will* respond to her.

5. As a result, my guess is her unpleasant voice and boorish mannerisms will turn off at least as many people as she draws and will sadly have more impact on the average person's choice than her beliefs. They may not matter to you, but they will influence a lot of people.

6. On issues, to you and me she is a nightmare. To the hardrightwing, Christian Conservative republican base that she was selected to appease, she is a dream come true. Writing in here about her stance on various issues seems sort of preaching to the choir.

7. As I wrote before, she is so shallow it's impossible, at least for me, to take her seriously. Here is her resume in a nutshell:

. runner up beauty queen in tiny, remote village
. Miss Congeniality in Miss Alaska beauty contest
.BS degree in journalism from undistinguished university
.PTA member
. occasional sports reporter (between children) for tiny, remote village paper
.4 years on city council of tiny, remote village
. 12 years or so as mayor of tiny, remote village where her 2 primary duties (this is not made up) were 1. chair council meetings, but not vote except to break ties, and 2. be city face at events
. less than 2 years experience as governor of a state with a population smaller than most large cities.
. National experience: photo in Vogue magazine

8. Greatest turning point in her life? High school basketball. Her idea, not mine, and it's on tape repeatedly.

9. Her view of job as VP. Her words (paraphrased): What does the VP do everyday, anyway? I have no idea what the VP does. This is on tape from a few weeks ago.

10. Another early response to her consideration as VP? Attempt to elevate herself by calling Hillary a whiner, suggesting she didn't know "what she was gittin' into" and saying Hillary should have just worked harder. Again, on tape.

The bottom line for me is, I don't know how to even begin to consider the qualifications for VP of someone who is barely educated, has zero experience, training or knowledge of economics, foreign policy or foreign relations and apparently has never even been out of the country.

McCain met her face to face exactly 2 times, and had a single phone conversation before "choosing her."

Most of the country has never heard of or met her, including the majority DC, and even the republican congress and the current administration. Never mind a single foreign leader, dignitary, embassador, or anybody.

Oh, and in case that was not a substantive enough response for you, here are a two of her accomplishments during her vast governing experience:

1. cut budget for libraries
2. increase budget for sports

[SheilaT]

14. Thanks for listing all these.

It makes me realize how much of an amateur she really is.

[mntleo2]

25. You might add the $20 million dollars debt she left

...her town for some sports arena. Lots of tax money to spread out over 8000 people, especially when a lot of them are children. Typical Repug: Tax the little guys, take all the glory for yourself before the bill comes, and RUN from the wake you caused.

Cat In Seattle

[Callie McAllie]

8. She is Vice Presidential Barbie!

I'm sorry if that sounds sexist, but that's how she seems to me. McCain picked her for purely sexist reasons, and that provoked this sexist consideration of her abilities, so blame him. And I would bet, given her lack of credentials, that she is the kind of woman who is more than willing to capitalize on her sexual appeal to get what she wants. Not that she's slept her way to the top, certainly, but...

well, you can see how difficult the discussion is going to be...we can't be honest and not feel like traitors to our feminism.

Maybe McCain did have a clue, after all. It's hard for feminist-leaning women to feel comfortable criticizing her without feeling like they're turning on a sister. We can't given an honest judgement without falling into the trap of judging her on her looks or her womanhood, just because a big part of her resume is about her looks and her womanhood. Miss Congeniality, girl's basketball team captain, woman sports reporter, mother of five, married her high school sweetheart, oldest son going off to Iraq, youngest son with Down's Syndrome.

I don't judge her differently on those personal points than I judge Joe Biden or Barack Obama or John McCain. We cannot hold back our criticism of her simply because she's a woman.

Vice Presidential Barbie.

One thing I have to wonder, though, is how those Christian right folks feel about the fact that she is running for Vice President even though she has a baby less than a year old? Wouldn't they think it would be her job, her duty, to stay home and care for her child? I just can't help but wonder how those narrow-minded folks perceive her.

There's a part of me that thinks McCain realizes he's already lost, and just wants to have a little fun before it's over. Shake things up and make people sweat.

[northernlights]

10. yes we can!

Barbara Boxer nailed it, in a nuttershell. Succinct, to the point.

1. No qualifications.
2. If he wanted a woman, why pass over Kay Bailey and Olympia Snowe?
3. And besides, she's under investigation for corruption/ethics violation (by eunanimous vote of her repub legislature to boot!).

One heartbeat from presidency, the choice is incomprehensible.


The life-changing basketball theme kills me. She's not a flippin' teen anymore. She's a 44 year old mother of 5 governor of a state.

But getting married didn't make a big impression.
Becoming a mother -- looking at her first newborn and realizing that she was responsible for the care, nurturing and quality of another life -- didn't make a big impression.
Learning that her fetus had downs syndrome and, when the chips were down, choosing to stand by her convictions -- didn't make a big impression.
Witnessing 9/11 didn't make a big impression.
Witnessing Katrina didn't make a big impression.
Winning governorship of a state didn't make a big impression.

But winning a basketball tournament -- now THAT is the life-changing event. Vice Prez Barbie is right! :wtf:

[Bluestar]

11. This is exactly my point

Stick to the facts, NOT her sex appeal or lack thereof.

[northernlights]

13. I understood your point

but did you understand mine?

The sex appeal is the *only* appeal she has as a candidate. There is nothing *but* the sex appeal. And even that disappears once she opens her mouth and stupidity comes out like fingernails on a chalkboard.

BTW, a republican wrote into one of the pundits today and asked straight out if McCain chose her for "another trophy to have hanging around." I kid you not.

Fact: her sex appeal raise serious questions about McCain's judgement. Exactly what was he thinking, and with which head, when he chose her? Surely it wasn't on her other "qualifications."

[katty]

56. stephanie miller on palin: Caribou Barbie

[Why Syzygy]

57. More like Oil Slick Barbie.

[SocratesInSpirit]

4. For my part, I am really hurt

As a woman, I find it utterly insulting that McCain has made such a cynical, pandering ploy. I knew the Republicans devalued women, but I am blown away by their sheer arrogance in thinking that picking a woman who has little to recommend her will satisfy us "uppity" females. And I am sickened by the fact that her nomination will be used to attack the Democrats, and let the Republicans claim with impunity that we are the ones who hate women. After years of watching them try to chip away at women's rights and freedoms, this is particularly galling!

I'm not trying to be sexist or anything, I am just really reeling right now. My Dad's side of the family are the exact type of Republicans who condescend to women (they are of the "oh, isn't that cute - the little woman has a strong opinion about politics!" variety), and I see this same attitude in McCain. Instead of picking a more experienced woman who could have lent substance, he picks a trophy VP. It's a slap in the face to all the women, Democrat and Republican, who've worked hard to get where they are. And this woman has the audacity to compare herself to Hillary!

I could really use some comfort right now. I feel like I've wandered into some surreal nightmare. :-(

Edit: minor fix for clarity

[northernlights]

6. you aren't being sexist Socrates

you are being honest.

She is a blatantly sexist choice made by a blatantly sexist, mysogynist gang of thugs. If she was intended to draw Hillary supporters, it will backfire in spades because she is on every substantial concern a total insult.

Most women -- and sadly this includes many of the early successful women -- turn on other women when crunch-time comes. Remember how Pelosi turned on Hillary, repeatedly stating very publicly, very early on that on the one hand, of course if Obama won the nomination, the VP would be his choice...but no way it would be Hillary. I've seen mentality repeated time and time again. All too often we are our own worst enemies, and men play that game with us to their advantage all the time.

Here is another reality that I've witnessed, and heard testified to by black women as well as white: men will choose a black man over any woman, period. In corporate America, without fail, the order of succession *always* is : 1. white men, 2. nonwhite men, 3. white women, 4. nonwhite women. Always.

[SocratesInSpirit]

7. Thanks for your response...

I am feeling a little better... just takes time to get over the shock!

It is going to be a very interesting election, what with the dynamic that has been set up.

[NJCher]

16. they have their ways of doing this

How they ferret these people out is phenomenal. A case in point would be that worthless excuse for a SC judge, Clarence Thomas. Imagine, having lost Thurgood Marshall, and then seeing someone so lacking in mental acuity named to the court.

And with lifetime tenure, too.

The way republicans twist and thwart the intent of our democracy is cruel. That is what I get from SocratesinSpirit's post describing her feelings. It is so heinous, so ruthless, and so depraved to do something like choose a Sarah Palin when there are seasoned, experienced women like KBH and Olympia Snow.




Cher

[Shallah Kali]

23. They twist everything

It is truly debased. Addtionally in this by promoting less than competent people to power gives them a hold on them. They are OWED bigtime. Then there is the fact that competent people are harder to manipulate. Finally they surely fear that if they give a competent person power they will try to take it and more they way the string pullers behind the sceans themselves surely have done. If you want blind obedience to the party line you don't choose a thinker and a doer.

[Cleita]

58. Yeah but when you point out to so-called feminists on this board

that they aren't better than brood cows to the Republican men you get your post removed by the mods, because they say you can't compare them to bovines. This is why women like Palin get ahead. I am fed up with my own gender. For four thousand years women have had no more value to men than their cattle and have been treated as such. Until women realize this and take measures to fight it, women like her will get ahead and hold positions of some power and keep the rest of the women down.

[lynnertic]

59. It's an udder shame.

(snicker)

[Cleita]

61. LOL!

:rofl: :spray:

[Celebration]

9. Palin

Well, I have nothing personally against her, just as a candidate, LOL. Anyway, her looks, age and basketball playing are okay with me. But either she has absolutely the worst judgment in the world, or is a big fat liar re: the airplane trip after her water broke. Either way it is a deal breaker.

Oh, sure I did scan her chakras--both her fourth and fifth chakras are blocked. Having one chakra with problems is really not such a big deal, but having two is like having way more than twice the issues, because it is not a linear scale, IMHO, but exponential. In any case, people with fifth chakra problems either feel that they are not given a voice, or sometimes it is just as easy for them to lie as to tell the truth.

I can't prove anything here, of course. She just seems beyond weird to me.

[Why Syzygy]

12. She definitely has

some vocal issues. Her voice reminds me of Fargo.

[LaurenG]

17. I don't read charts but she is a deceptive character

which the McCain camp well knows. She is not a force for anything resembling progress or humanitarianism unless it applies to her. She has no idea how to be a leader unless once again it's a "do as I say not as I do" republican mantra.

She has nothing to bring except talking points and the wedge issue of choice. She makes too many things her business not because she's interested but because she can.

I do not care about her choices, I care about her having the ability to control mine. She turns me off at a deep level, just like George Bush she is a pawn for evil and a willing one at that.

[Callie McAllie]

18. A pawn for evil...wow

I had a startling realization last night over a glass of wine (or two) with my husband. Understand that what I'm about to say would not change my Obama vote in any way, but...

as a woman, who do I identify with more, Palin or Hillary?

Sadly, my answer is Palin. Not because of her politics, but because of what I perceive (so far) to be her personality, her character. Even though I went to a woman's college like Hillary did, I am not a hard-driving, determined lawyer or politician. I am just a woman who took advantage of some opportunities that came my way and ended up in a place, with a certain amount of authority, that I never anticipated when I was young. Granted, I'm not Governor of Alaska, either, but you see my point?

Like I said, it won't effect my vote. But it sure makes for some interesting late-night conversation. I imagine...I hope...there are conversations like that going on all over the country.

Not saying she's qualified to be Vice President, but just because she's not ready to be in the big pond doesn't mean she hasn't accomplished things already. She's just not ready for the big pond. Maybe she'll never be ready. But that doesn't mean she's incompetent or unaccomplished.

Does that make sense to anyone else besides me?

[LaurenG]

19. It does make sense that some people can relate to her and I would in no way

suggest that there aren't good things about her. I too came to a point of "power" that I would not have expected, especially given my background and credentials.

This is the way I read her though since I do read people with some measure of success, and my take is she is not who she appears to be.

For me, there is a sharp and dividing line between having integrity or not. This of course is always extremely subjective and my very own gut take on this individual is non positive, but that doesn't make all people with a similar background evil. (I think I too loosely use the term evil, but to me it is lack of light).

You must trust your instincts on her and trust what you see and feel as valid, the fact that you and I may not agree is meaningless in the big picture and I hope has no bearing on our acquaintance with each other.

[Callie McAllie]

34. absolutely no bearing on our acquaintance, don't fret about that

Anyway you said she was a "pawn" of evil, which is probably true.

[Celebration]

20. what a choice

I couldn't be like either of them, but I would sure pick Hillary over her to be my mom--believe it or not, I sort of think in these terms sometimes. And this is a very easy choice. I am really grateful for the mother that I had, who was not at all perfect, but just a reasonable, rational person who loved me. Who could ask for more?

I think of Palin as being more like a bowling ball, and a cartoonish character. Can you imagine growing up having to go to that church, etc., and being indoctrinated with those ideas? She seems shallow--hasn't thought about the Iraq War enough to have an opinion. I don't "do" shallow--these are people that I actually avoid. She's also a big risk taker, which I am not. She has obviously lied about a whole lot of stuff. And, no, I'm not even including the baby stuff. The lying seems to be second nature. Sure, she will tell the truth--when it is convenient.

I am not much of a Hillary fan, but there is quite a bit more strength of character than I see in Palin. Let me put it to you plainly-I don't think Palin is evil. I just feel she has many,many loose screws, combined with a force of personality that just bowls people over. Clinton is not one bit screwy, except when she gets a little bit fatigued campaigning, LOL, and Clinton has a lot more depth. Who would want a screwy mother?

I do love the sports stuff about Palin, though. In fact, about the best thing I have to say about her is that it would be nice for women to have a physically fit role model. I'm really reaching to try to find somethings good to say about her. Well, she is a maverick, maybe. The jury is still out on that one. I can relate to maverick--but not the kind of maverick that she is. If we elect McCain, and she becomes President at some point, well, we got what we deserve.

[SheilaT]

21. For what it's worth

I can identify more with Hillary Clinton than with Sarah Palin.

This simply proves that we all can have very individual responses to any one individual.

[Why Syzygy]

36. Me too.

And I have absolutely zero power.
I know I could have a conversation with Hillary. Not so with Palin.

Itsjustme summed up well on that issue. I did have a screwy mother. Tough road.

I find most Republican women (and men) repugnant on at least a dozen levels.

Good thread and comments.

[Sweet Freedom]

22. Well, I went to Astrodienst

to see what they had to say about her, but they're all conservatives gushing over what a brilliant choice she is. (I was surprised about that.) There wasn't much discussion about her chart (and I really couldn't stomach more than a few pages.)

[northernlights]

24. now that I'm past the initial shock

and have had time to sort out my thoughts on her background, I'd say it's not her age, but what she has done and learned in those years.

It's not that she hasn't accomplished some things, but whether those accomplishments in any way relate to her ability to do the job.

It's not that she was captain of her h.s. basketball team...it's that at age 44 it's still part of her 'schtick' and still the biggest turning point/deepest experience of her life.

Basketball experience is very nice...for a college application!
For a 44 year old woman running for veep -- it simply doesn't belong. It's not that she can't be proud of it in her personal life, or at the PTA. It's simply totally inappropriate to the circumstances, as is about 50% of her resume.

As we grow, and do, and learn, things fall off our resumes. I wasn't raised to be a career person, but life works out the way it does. By the time I was 30, anything related to h.s. was long off my resume. It simply no longer applied. Things that seemed earth-shattering and life-changing to me at 20 were blips on the screen if not totally forgotten. By the time I was 40, anything pre-32 was off my resume.

Her resume is so slim, nothing is dropping off. Her resume honestly doesn't even qualify her to be governor. She isn't growing intellectually, emotionally, in wisdom. She even, like, uh, talks like a teenager. Like, ya know?

[Grateful for Hope]

30. I think you have hit the nail on the head

She is 44 years old -- certainly not "young" in terms of what one typically has as life experience by that age.

While I am older than she is, when I found myself having to look for a job after being laid off from a long-term position, my resume reflected only the experience I thought was relevant to finding work. Not only did it not include my high school years, it also did not include information about many earlier positions as I felt these positions were no longer relevant.

I think it is sad that even after all this time, she has so little of substance to talk about in the way of life experience.

I do not think she is remotely qualified to be VP. I also think that she will not last on the ticket. After the GOP processes it's internal surveys, I think it will find that she is not an asset to the ticket, and, she will "resign" from the ticket in order to spend more time with her family (including her very young baby).

Edited to add that I think the GOP is using her big time.

[Callie McAllie]

32. Maybe she won't last on the ticket

Is it possible at the convention for the repubs to put up someone other than Palin as a veep nominee? That would certainly make for some interesting theater.

Maybe it's all about getting people to watch their convention and they never intended her to really be vice-president at all. I trust not one thing that these people do. It could all be staged for effect. That is almost the only way it makes sense.

I talked to my mom last night and her response: "Is he out of his G*& damn mind?" My mother has always been outspoken on politics. :-)

Then she told me my brother, who lives in Arizona, called her the night the choice of Palin was announced. He had been sitting on the fence, still unsure about Obama...(:wtf:)...but this has clinched it for him, he will vote for Obama now.

[Why Syzygy]

37. Isn't she rather small to play hockey?

I haven't read a lot the past few days. I've been immersed in my other hobby.
I was watching the day she made her speech. Seems like I heard her say SHE play hockey. She looked really small, not much bigger than McFuddle :evilgrin:

Reading through this thread, I'm wondering how long "basketball" HAS been on her resume'.
Maybe some RNC pig spotted it somewhere and pushed it to the foreground. Obama plays basketball.
It does emphasize athleticism. No telling what else someone with republican mentality believes a reference to "basketball" might get them.

Or it could be that she is that immature. :shrug:

[northernlights]

40. the basketball as her metamorphosis story

has been her "schtick" since she ran for her first office, according to what I've read. She pulls that story out over and over. It's supposed to be part of her "charm."

Playing basketball, playing hockey are great. I'm an athlete myself and believe it's important to stay fit and healthy.

It would great for her to say she played basketball as a kid and now plays hockey to stay fit and for a mental break.

But that's not even close to how she frames it. She considers it her deepest life-changing experience! And that is the crux of that part of her problem (there are so many now I'm losing count, lol!!!!)

[Grateful for Hope]

43. I think it could just be, Votes

that "she is that immature". I think this quality is greatly aiding the GOP in their "use" of her.

I feel badly for her, and, meanwhile, I think the GOP machine is despicable.

[Celebration]

26. Pendulum

Okay, I couldn't resist. I don't mind testing politicians, becuase they are so very public, and need to be public. I checked the picture where she is seven months pregnant, supposedly. I actually got my pendulum out instead of using my fingers for muscle response testing. I got a big no. Anyone else?

[Why Syzygy]

38. A no on what? She isn't really pregnant?

You've been referring to this plot line, but I'm in the dark on it. What's up?

[Celebration]

44. not sure about this

Sarah Palin is either not the mother of the new baby, or she is so totally disconnected from him emotionally that it just does not register, (and disconnected as well during her pregnancy.)

I cannot say which of the above is correct. Anyway, that is what I am getting.

[demgrrrll]

29. I was just reading at some astrological site that mccain may have

health challenges in September and may not be able to serve if elected. Troubling given this selection. Does anyone know anything about this? I quess that everyone knows that the conference with all the prominent astrologers unanimously agreed Obama would be elected.

[Matariki]

31. Check the transits too.

She currently has Neptune, North Node and Chiron sitting on the Sun, Saturn, Mars conjunction in her chart.

[Callie McAllie]

33. Help us out. Can you tell us what that means?

[Matariki]

41. Well, my amateur interpretation is this (and I'd love to hear from the pros):

The square between her Scorpio Neptune and the important Sun, Mars, Saturn stellium shows a pronounced tendency toward dishonesty and subtrefuge.

Having Neptune transiting that stellium RIGHT NOW, it's not at all surprising to see the many things she's lied about come to light - especially with the North Node (which indicates 'the public') also involved in the transit. The transit activates the pattern of her chart. I'd say by the 12th, when the moon hits this stellium, she'll be done for.

At the same time, Saturn & Sun is crossing her Uranus/Pluto conjunction. These don't make significant aspects in her chart, but it would be interesting to know what house they fall in.

Regarding her natal chart, Sun square Neptune indicates A LOT of self deception, often with messianic overtones - someone who believes they're a chosen vessel on some 'divine mission'. So no doubt she believes being picked as VP is a confirmation of that.

The Mars square Neptune reinforces the theme of treachery and deceit. What's coming out about her tenure in small town city council and mayor is proving this to be very true. And Saturn just adds to the theme, throwing ambition into the mix, and what she'll do to acheive those ambitions.


(if someone can tell me how to post astro.com charts here - I'll post the one showing the transits)

[Celebration]

45. this is what I would do

If there is something you want to post that is not in jpg format, you can just put it up on your computer screen and punch the button "Print Screen" on your keyboard. Then you can paste it into MIcrosoft Paint or some other comparable program. There you can move it and reformat it. Then save it to your computer, add it to Photobucket and then you can add it here.

[I Have A Dream]

46. Here's the chart with the transits for today (September 2, 2008)

[I Have A Dream]

47. Transiting Saturn's also conjunct her natal Uranus and Pluto.

I'm going through the transiting Saturn conjunct my natal Pluto/North Node. I can't even imagine throwing Uranus into the mix also. :scared:

[Callie McAllie]

35. This is just too much. Now they announce her 17 year old daughter

is five months pregnant.

I can hardly believe what I am reading. There's no way this nomination will go forward. It would be total insanity.

I am more and more convinced this is just meant to create drama to induce people to watch the Republican convention.

Mitt Romney will step out of the wings at the last minute and agree to be veep as Palin tearfully steps aside.

If G.I. John McCain cannot have Vice Presidential Barbie, he will settle for Vice Presidential Ken.

[Why Syzygy]

39. LOL!!

[northernlights]

42. omgih, she's a gift that just keeps on giving!!!!

:party:

They NEVER VETTED HER!!!!! From everything I've read, they were grooming her for the future, but I think they planned to bring her out in '12 with 6 years as governor and plenty of time to scrub her record in Alaska. Instead, now they send a team of 8 up to Alaska -- after the nomination -- and it's too late cause Obama's team got to the library archives first and got the goods on her!!!!

Callie, it's hard to believe after years of success by the evil genius via scorched earth techniques, but I don't think she was planned. Recalling her now only highlights McCain's bad judgement in choosing her.

I think she was a combination of hubris and desperation after Obama's smashing convention. I found myself wondering late last week if Obama's team might have deliberately leaked the "tension" between the 2 staffs, lol, to keep them and the media focussed on that storyline. They were banking on splitting off the Hillary voters. Instead they saw leaderships and seamless unity... on a grand scale!

Plus I think McCain was sinking hard under the chains they had on him. So they pulled her out earlier than planned. She locked down the religious crackpots and enabled him to reclaim his "maverick" image.

The maverick image used to work with McCain's original independent backers. Only problem is, in real life mavericks don't lead herds, they create chaos!!!!

[Helga Scow Stern]

48. Planet Waves reports 4:40pm from Starlight News.

Gives Leo rising.

http://planetwaves.net/pagetwo/2008/09/02/neptune-on-the-rise-sarah-palins-astrology/

[Sweet Freedom]

49. A snip

Palin herself is in a Moment of Astrology. Neptune, a very slow planet, is retrograding exactly over her Sun. Exactly as in her Sun is at 22 Aquarius 20 and Neptune is currently retrograde at 22 Aquarius 23. That is to say, Neptune is applying into a to-the-arc-minute conjunction to her Sun and it will be aligned most precisely on Thursday (though in retrospect it’s so powerful we would say it had full impact all year,not just this week). This is a transit so closely aligned and so rare that it’s the kind that astrologers use to backtrack and figure out the time a person is born; so this gleaming little event helps establish the accuracy of the chart.

I personally don’t think that she’s gonna actually get nominated, but this would suggest that one way or the other she is pretty washed up. We shall see what comes out in that wash, however — it’s been an interesting load already.
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[Matariki]

51. Thursday. Interesting. I was thinking when the moon hit the transit around the 12th

I mean for her to drop out. Either that, or something *really* stunning to be dragged out of her closet.

It's amazing how accurate the timing is - all her secrets and shady dealings being brought to light in a *very* public way with this transit.

[Why Syzygy]

55. I think the official nominations are on Thursday. nt

[Matariki]

52. Oh boy, now the Enquirer is on it

The ENQUIRER has also learned that Palin’s family is embroiled in a vicious war that is now exposing her darkest secrets, threatening to destroy her political career.

Palin’s ongoing war with her ex brother-in-law Mike Wooten, a state trooper, has caused multiple sources to come forward with shocking allegations about the governor.

Word like that makes you want to also examine the Sun/Saturn transit over her natal Pluto.

[Cleita]

60. Randi Rhodes isn't doing a bad job either.

Said that there were 32 meth labs in Wasilla while she was mayor.

[I Have A Dream]

50. Here's the chart using 4:40pm birthtime (with transits for Sept 2, 2008)

[Matariki]

53. And check out an interpretation of the Pluto Chiron opposition, which is nearly exact in her chart

Also being activated by the Sun/Saturn transit:

Chiron and Pluto
Pluto is like a super version of Mars. One of the main differences is that Mars is usually open and overt, while Pluto rules hidden, subconscious forces that build unseen and then explode with volcanic power.

On the negative side, Chiron/Pluto aspects can (like Chiron/Mars) cause one to be an aggressive bully. But Mars will just push others around; Pluto wants to totally dominate. A highly negative example is Francisco Assis, the Brazilian serial killer, who has the opposition of Chiron to his 5th house placement of Pluto. The 5th house rules romance. Let me remind you again that one aspect by itself does not make for a mass murderer. There are very few serial killers in the world, but because Chiron and Pluto both move slowly, almost everyone born in that same year had this aspect, and that could mean over a million people.

The reason Chiron/Pluto can cause one to act in a domineering manner is to compensate for subconscious fear of being weak and helpless. The cure for this Chiron Pluto type is to confront their own inner feelings of weakness. Conversely, the Pluto power could be suppressed. The result could be someone who is always getting picked on by bullies, or coming out on the wrong end of power struggles. They are afraid of letting their power out. Most likely, when they were children, any release of that tremendous Pluto force caused their parents to come down hard, and Pluto was pushed underground. The cure here is to recognize and take responsibility for one's own power, and to find ways to let it out constructively.

A more positive example of Pluto/Chiron is Jonas Salk, the inventor of the first effective anti-polio vaccine. He did not have an aspect between Chiron and Pluto, but he had the Sun opposite the Chiron/Pluto midpoint. In his case, the positive, healing side of both Chiron and Pluto came out dramatically. Another positive example is George Bernard Shaw, who had Chiron in the 9th house (philosophy, publishing, "higher" mental functions) making a square aspect with Pluto in the 12th house (restrictions, "hidden" things). His Chiron was also opposite the Sun and Venus, so the power came out mostly in intellectual matters.

[Thirtieschild]

62. Something curious if McCain's birth time is 11 a.m.

I have several charts (8:37 a.m., 9 a.m, 11 a.m. birth times) for McCain on my computer. Friday I was comparing his chart to Palin's, thought I was working with his 9 a.m. chart but was actually looking at his 11 a.m. chart. His 11 a.m. ascendant is 17 Scorpio 49, the exact degree and the exact MINUTE of Palin's Neptune. I know that the 11 a.m. time for McCain is highly problematical, but am struck by the to-the-minute conjunction between his ascendant and her very messy Neptune. Sometimes when I make a mistake like that, setting up or studying an incorrect chart, the mistake itself gives me a hint of what's really going on. And sometimes not.

After a power outage Sunday morning my computer died. I'm reading DU on my husband's computer (which, obviously, didn't die) but, because I don't have access to my astrology program, can't check anything. I'd love to look at Palin's progressions. Anybody?

I once knew how to do the math to figure angles, planet placements, etc. but have long since forgotten. Sigh.

[katty]

63. yes, another astro site did a comment on that Nep/Asc aspect

[lynnertic]

64. what was the comment?

:bounce:

[katty]

80. paraphrase to the effect that mc same will regret he picked

palin because of all the 'secrets/scandals/abuse of power', etc that will come out before election with her Neptune on his ascendant...not a good idea, HIS standing will be diminished, re: his choice

so we'll see but not a good idea to hire someone with their neptune on any of the angles (of your chart)strong impact - generally unless the person is 'squeaky' clean-even then, beware. even the best expression of neptune energy often falters in human 3D life.

[I Have A Dream]

65. Is this what you wanted? (Progressed chart with transits)

This is her progressed chart with today's transits:

[Thirtieschild]

66. Thanks.

First thing I noticed - if I'm remembering correctly - is that her progressed Venus is trine his natal Venus.

[I Have A Dream]

67. Here's her natal chart with progressions, if that helps.

[Matariki]

71. oops.

replied in wrong place.

[Matariki]

68. Interesting. Does her natal Pluto conjunct anything his chart? He's an early Virgo, right?

[Callie McAllie]

69. You guys are killing me

what does it mean?

Sorry. I love this stuff, but I am such a neophyte.

[Why Syzygy]

70. I think it means

they are linked by "karma" and lie constantly. Match made in the heavens? ;)

No, I always need more info. I love the astro.com site lessons for beginners. But I cannot even begin to put it all together. Houses, planets, astro signs, degrees .. there's a lot there.

[Matariki]

72. Here's McCain's for comparison:

I hadn't looked at this yet. He's got issues. I wouldn't want to be Palin, he can get real angry at women. Look at that Pluto Moon opposition...

[lynnertic]

76. speaking of anger at women, i noticed yesterday that cindy mccain

is still wearing a cast.

Her arm really got hurt ...from shaking hands with a lobbyist? That's a difficult story to buy.

[northernlights]

78. I questioned that sprained wrist

from day 1. First thought that popped into my head was that he did it.

[Cleita]

73. Gawd that was some mean, bitchy speech that she made.

Is that in her chart?

[Why Syzygy]

74. She is McMaverick's

pit bull in lipstick. She claims. She was clearly tasked with being the nasty. She seemed to relish it.

I'm so cynical. I feel like snapping sometimes listening to them. Especially during Fred Thompson's speech Tuesday night. Their holier than thou attitude angers me. To me "they" (republican types) embody everything that is wrong with the world. I would call it the "dark side", but I know that darkness has some benefits. They offer nothing but bondage to their skewed and false "ideals".

[Callie McAllie]

77. And they stand there straight-faced and just LIE

I was so glad when Keith Olberman corrected two misstatements in Huckabees speech. I missed the one about Abraham Lincoln founding the Republican party (apparently not), but when he said that crap about Palin got more votes for mayor of Wasilla than Joe Biden did in his presidential bid, I knew that couldn't even possibly be true. Liar!

Keith O very gracefully pointed out the facts without any editorial comment. I love him more every day.

:loveya:

[Why Syzygy]

75. "Go along to get along" ..

That's how this man described her transition to being republican. She supported Alaskan independence.
THAT's why they consider her a maverick?

I bet that's in her chart. Fake.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=179864&mesg_id=179864

[mother earth]

79. How does a "puppet" quality show on a chart? Since both

McCain/Palin would be fantastic puppets...it may be just what the corporate powers that be want. If this is the best the RNC can put forth, we should all be asking why is that? Surely, there were better picks, but I guess that would depend upon the agenda behind the pick.

[SheilaT]

81. Does this matter?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6934288

It says that Palin was nominated by acclamation today. Those of you looking at the charts, does this affect things?

[I Have A Dream]

82. I'm not sure what your post means.

We're just trying to understand her better. That's one of the things this forum is set up to do.

:shrug:

[SheilaT]

83. I'm asking if the exact time of

her being nominated by acclamation will have an effect on what the astrologers are seeing or predicting about the November election.

My original post was not intended as a slur on astrologers, but more as a heads-up to any of them who want to look at that. While I'm not an astrologer myself, I think I'm paying enough attention to the astrology stuff to know that the exact time something occurs can be very important, and also that there are a great many things in any number of charts to look at when going out on a limb to forecast something like election results.

And I didn't think it was worthy of starting a new thread, since I'm pretty certain that anyone that wants to work with the exact time of the nomination by acclamation is going to continue to read this thread.

[I Have A Dream]

84. I *knew* that I wasn't reading what you wrote correctly!

:)

Very good question.

(I read it as saying why bother doing this if it's not going to change anything. However, it didn't make sense given that I know that you appreciate astrology. Therefore, I knew that I was totally misunderstanding your question. Thanks for the clarification.)