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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:25 PM
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This is bad. According to Think Progress, congressional aides put a major damper on Poznan
What a sober read:

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/11/poznan-american-problem/

Part of it was a screw up in scheduling:

In this atmosphere of doubt and disappointment a session on Monday evening advertised in the official daily program as including Senators John Kerry (D-MA) and Dick Lugar (R-IN) was understandably packed to the gills and dozens couldn’t get in the door. With no official representatives here from the Obama transition team, and with Bush’s negotiators making sometimes bizarre pronouncements about Obama’s intentions or lack thereof, a message of clarity and hope from senior Obama advisors was a must see for this international audience. Unfortunately what was delivered provided little by way of a reiteration of a message of hope or an assurance that waiting a year on the US to get its act together was a good idea. In fact, the take home from the session suggested an opposite conclusion.

For starters, Kerry, Lugar, and Olympia Snowe (R-ME) (also on the program) weren’t there. This was due to an unfortunate miscommunication between the conference secretariat and the event’s sponsors: The International Emissions Trading Association (IETA), The Pew Charitable Trusts (not to be confused with the Pew Center on Global Climate Change), and Environmental Defense.


Apparently, the congressional aides depressed the hell out of the attendees:

http://www.nature.org/initiatives/climatechange/features/art26701.html

During a panel discussion in Poznan on Monday, aides for Rep. John Dingell and Sens. Richard Lugar, Olympia Snowe and John Kerry said political and regional disputes — along with the complex legislative process — will make passage of a cap-and-trade bill before the COP 15 meeting in Copenhagen next December highly unlikely.


This is more detailed about what each individual congressional aid said:

http://environment.yale.edu/blog/?p=47

Those expecting clear direction on the future of U.S. climate policy were left hanging. Lori Schmidt from Rep. Dingell’s office started out by informing the audience that anyone expecting to get a firm read on the future of U.S. climate policy from the event should leave now. She said it’s still not clear what Obama will do, although the appointment of an energy/climate czar is one possibility.

...

Kathleen Frangione, a Kerry staffer, said that her boss will be in Poznan on Wednesday and that he recently declared “We’re back” vis a vis the international negotiations process. Considering that Kerry is the incoming chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, this should carry some weight. She thinks that legislation is not necessary for the U.S. to enter into an agreement at Copenhagen, although the bipartisan consensus prior to the negotiations will influence what can be agreed to.



A staffer for Senator Olympia Snowe presented a series of slides with quotes from past Senate debates (Climate change legislation will: kill jobs, raise energy prices, expand the scope of the federal government, etc.) to illustrate the nature of domestic opposition. The effect was to remind the audience that many of the obstacles to climate legislation and international agreements will remain the same. Reactionary legislators who know little about world affairs and the constituents who elect them still have enough sway and votes to block the process unless they are brought into a very big tent. When one audience member asked about the U.S. reaction to recent moves on emissions by China, the Snowe staffer replied that she suspects the many Senators aren’t even aware of what China’s current position is. Even though Obama was elected and everyone expects momentum on climate, it seems the U.S. may remain weighed down by a few obstinate Senators for years to come.


Back at the Think Progress link, here was the reaction:

As the air left the room, along with a good number of those gathered, a representative from one European state standing next to me began audibly muttering to himself. After it was over I pulled him aside and asked his impression. “I don’t understand you people,” he said, glaring at me. “It’s like you think you’re the only ones in the world with a complicated legislative system! Have you any idea what it’s like to try to get something through the EU?”

I had no response except to sheepishly offer that these folks didn’t speak for the administration and that Obama has been consistently vocal on an ambitious approach to climate change as soon as possible. Surely, while no one could doubt that there will be hurdles getting the US back in this process in such a short amount of time, it is ridiculously premature to declare the death of an agreement in Copenhagen as a foregone conclusion. Whatever one thinks about these difficulties the overwhelming impression of the audience leaving this session was clear: We weren’t the change they’ve been waiting for.


Until I hear otherwise, it seems little was accomplished in Poznan. It is really too bad that there was that schedule screw up. I think Kerry would have reassured them more, which is shown in the words his aide spoke.

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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:07 PM
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1. Some video of JK in Poznan
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 06:14 PM
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2. What a mess
This might explain the negative comments earlier. I am stunned that both Snowe's and Lugar's staffers were so counterproductive. It does seem that this was all written before Kerry spoke. I hope that he was able to impact things more positively. It does suggest that Obama should have sent someone there earlier - though it is awkward as he is not President and they would have to make clear he wasn't negotiating.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:18 PM
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3. Prosense has some new links on her thread. Kerry has seemed to have lifted the mood:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7972945#7973782

Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts arrived at the United Nations conference here Thursday reassuring delegates from around the world that the United States would take strong measures to combat climate change.

"President Obama will be like night and day compared to President Bush," he said at a news conference, adding that "Congress and the president-elect are committed to movement on mandatory goals as rapidly as possible."

Although the incoming Obama administration has no official representatives at the meeting, where officials are forging a new climate change treaty, the massive glass conference center is crawling with American lawmakers, or at least their staffers, a sign of a transitional and potentially transformative moment in U.S. climate politics.

Over the past two weeks, staff members from more than 50 congressional offices - representing powerful figures like the House speaker, Representative Nancy Pelosi of California; Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana, the ranking Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee; and Representative Henry Waxman of California, the incoming chairman of the Committee on Energy and Commerce - have made appearances. The staffers have been so numerous that the delegation representing the Bush administration had to put a sign on its office door: "Executive Branch Personnel Only."

Despite elation at the new U.S. presence, there has been widespread concern among delegates that developed nations would be less willing to make the financial investments in climate change in a time of global recession. In opening the two-day meeting of environment ministers Thursday morning, the UN secretary general, Ban Ki Moon, said there should be "no backsliding on our commitments."




I think that Monday was kind of not a good day, and that is what the Think Progress blogger witnessed. However, the overall mood seems to be more in flux.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:09 PM
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4. This is a battle
There are many members of the "Flat Earth Caucus" still in the Senate.

However, as Sen. Kerry told the BBC reporter, the Obama Admin is moving forward toward the goal of getting something done by Copenhagen.

This is a battle. Everyone should know that. This is going to be one hell of a fight.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:40 AM
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5. The EU has gotten its act together:
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 12:01 PM by beachmom
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gKVYp84tILSD8N6nFQACR29P6Cyg

Kerry says EU climate pact "very exciting"

52 minutes ago

POZNAN, Poland (AFP) — US Senator John Kerry, president-elect Barack Obama's point man at UN environment talks in Poland, said on Friday the EU's new climate pact was "an enormous act of leadership" that blazes a path for the entire world.

"The EU today said, 'yes, we can and here's how,' and that's pretty good," Kerry told AFP as ministers prepared to wrap up 12 days of talks in Poznan, Poland on preparing a global climate pact to be signed in Copenhagen next December.

The pact is "very exciting," he said.

"It represents an enormous act of leadership which will have an impact on Poznan, it will have an impact on Copenhagen," Kerry said.


Another article here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7778787.stm

This is a good write up in the Chicago Tribune:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-poland-climate_goeringdec12,0,6775832.story

Barack Obama's envoy at UN climate talks presses China to step up emissions cuts

Incoming administration says it will push new treaty if Beijing joins "global solution"

By Laurie Goering | Tribune correspondent
December 12, 2008

POZNAN, Poland — President-elect Barack Obama's administration is prepared to embrace mandatory limits on greenhouse gas emissions in the United States but will push through Congress a new international climate treaty only if China and other big emitters join in a "global solution," Sen. John Kerry warned at the latest round of climate talks Thursday in Poland.

Kerry (D-Mass.), widely viewed as Obama's unofficial representative at the UN meeting, praised China—which recently surpassed the United States as the world's biggest greenhouse gas producer—for taking a variety of climate-friendly actions, including establishing auto emissions standards tougher than those in the United States and setting ambitious goals to improve energy efficiency.

But unless China and other powerhouses in the developing world agree to quickly follow the U.S. toward large-scale emissions cuts, "there's no way for us to get from here to there" in terms of holding climate change to less than catastrophic levels, he said at a news conference.

International negotiators trying to craft a new global treaty to stem climate change and prepare for its consequences face extraordinary new challenges and opportunities as they draw closer to a December 2009 deadline for replacing the expiring Kyoto Protocol.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 12:49 PM
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6. Video report worth checking out:
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