Joe Biden can kiss my shiny metal ass

[LittleClarkie]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1658385#1658422

!@#$%^&*!!!!

[GRLMGC]

1. Ahhh

I read one of her posts, eewwww. Anyway, Biden's kind of an asshole isn't he?

[fujiyama]

2. I was about to post this

What a real jerk, backstabbing Kerry this way.

[sandnsea]

3. Biden is so squirrelly

The writer gets he's an asshat:

:This was not quite the case. In Kerry’s first comment, made during an interview with a Milwaukee television station, he criticized Bush for missing an opportunity to kill bin Laden at Tora Bora, as he often had during the campaign. But, not long after that, Kerry spoke to the press, saying, “As Americans, we are absolutely united in our determination to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden and the terrorists. They’re barbarians, and I will stop at absolutely nothing to hunt down, capture, or kill the terrorists wherever they are, whatever it takes, period.”

Biden, apparently, did not actually reach Kerry until that night, so Kerry made this statement without Biden’s help."

I like this too, especially because it's from Boxer:

"She rejects the notion that her party is not in tune with voters on national-security issues. “We almost won the election,” she said, and attributed Kerry’s loss to superior Republican organizing and to Republican tactics, most notably the attacks last summer on Kerry’s war record."

The rest of it is shit. Some of Lieberman's best friends are neocons??? :eyes: Well just peachy. I wouldn't be braggin' about it Joe.

And Hillary.

“It’s hard to describe a Democratic Party foreign-policy position, because we’re not in charge of making policy,” Clinton said. “We are, by the nature of the system, forced to critique and analyze and offer suggestions.”

Is this their excuse for not having a foreign policy? We don't have to have a war-based foreign policy in order to have a strong foreign policy. Most people don't want a war-based foreign policy. Are these people this screwy??? No friggin' wonder we lose.

[TayTay]

4. Oh Boy, let me read the article first

Sounds like Joe Biden is creating a shitstorm. Oh well, at least it's not a 'get Kerry' shitstorm. Why, oh why, do Dems do this? Ego? Need to stir up the press? Not enough love in their childhood?

Heres the address for the article:http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/index.ssf?050321fa_fact

Edit: You know, there is a Senate Foreign Relations Meeting tomorrow. Both Kerry and Biden are on that committee. Should be interesting in light of the New Yorker article. I will pipe it in on C-Span. (Or directly from the Foreign Relations Committee website. This committee is important enough that they get their own webcast.) At the very least, I expect both Kerry and Biden to show for the committee hearing on Arms & China on Wed. That might be interesting as well.

[karynnj]

6. Thanks for the link to the article

This article is interesting in the way it says things, but doesn't say things.

-On Biden, At first it looked like the article was mainly a profile of him. However, he comes out looking pretty sleazy - the two main stories told about him are followed by paragraphs explaining why what he said wasn't completely truthful - which would be less bad if the lack of truth wasn't on the point he was trying to make. The article mentions the plagiarism scandal, which suggests lack of character. Then there's his interaction with Kerry - he claims to be a friend, but lies to make himself look better at Kerry's expense.

His idiotic Faustian bargain is just dumb, no President has the choice to ignore economic issues. Kerry's comments at the Kennedy Center on the massive new economic issues were incredibly thoughtful.

-On the 2008 candidates Kerry, in refusing to say that Iraq is a success (although with the obligatory, but we have to hope it will be), places himself closer to Kennedy and Boxer than to almost all the potential 2008 candidates - Clinton, Biden, Bayh, Richardson and Edwards (they say, but is this true?) all are all Hawkish. Unless peace comes to Iraq, I can't believe that having Kerry as the only one with strong Liberal roots won't be in a better position than the hawks in the primary.

[karynnj]

5. Does this even make sense as positioning himself for 2008

His comment on a random woman saying he was strong and Kerry weak sounds self serving and not convincing. If he wanted to make this point, having some people with some authority say it themselves about him would carry more weight.

He really seemed uneven when he acted as a foreign policy surrogate for Kerry. He really blew it on the military appropriate (voted for, then against) where (unless I'm remembering it wrong) he basically said that HE voted for it both times - and seemed to imply that would have been better. (Maybe he forgot he was a surrogate.) But other times he was very strong and clear.

I wonder if this and his comment that Hillary will likely be the candidate is to weaken Kerry to position himself in case Hillary fails or opts not to run. May mean that he thinks that he has a better chance if it comes down to him and Clinton vs him and Kerry (with or without Clinton). This might be true as strong foreign policy experience is a major asset of both. As ranking member is based only on seniority, does anyone know how he and Kerry are regarded on these issues by their peers? (His questioning of Rice seemed to be only on Iraq and far less big picture than Kerry's.)

[JI7]

7. Biden is just Biden

for those who have heard Biden talk he loves to talk . he loves to talk about just about anything. like most recently on the condi hearings he starts talking about the issue at hand then goes off into an entirely other thing. and i think that's what he was doing with this person who was interviewing him. he was just throwing out whatever thoughts he had. more of a conversational thing than an actual Q&A type interview.

[elshiva]

8. This makes me want to cry. n/t

:cry:

[TayTay]

9. Relax Elshiva, it's okay

Everybody is just doing the equivalent of Musical Chairs. (Happens everytime we lose the Pres. It's painful, hurtful and kind of embarassing, but rarely fatal.) Biden hasn't changed much over the years. He is a friendly, old-time Dem who strongly believes in a strong defense and in going along to get along. I'm not sure he is running for Pres yet, despite what he said. (I don't think Biden could pass the liberal test in the primaries.)

This type of thing will continue until the primaries. Undercutting each other, seeking turf and holding little 'special' briefings with the press is just what Dems do. That's what makes us so inteeresting and never dull.

[elshiva]

10. Thanks!

[politicasista]

11. It almost sounds like he wanted to set Kerry up so that he and Hil can run

in 2008. I don't know why I have that suspicion. All these hindsight thoughts are depressing. :nopity:

[JI7]

12. no, Biden and Kerry are good friends

he wanted Kerry to win very much.

he is just talking political strategy here and thinks Kerry should have listened to him.

[Hans Delbrook]

13. Yeah but it comes off as backstabbing

However he intended it. I've been a big defender of his through the years but he doesn't think before he speaks waaay too often. He's old enough to know better and still young enough to learn, if you ask me.