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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:26 PM
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Favorable Kerry Post (compared to Hillary) at Huffington
From The Democratic Daily--see original post for links:

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=1299

Michael Oates Palmer, whose biography includes writing for The West Wing, compared Hillary Clinton to John Kerry at the Huffington Post. While we have often seen some unfair characteriztions of Kerry’s record at that site, Palmer gets it right on this one:

Well, we now have a Hillary Clinton record. Four years in the Senate. But I’m not asking you to tell me if that record’s conservative or liberal. All I’m asking is for you to show me an instance when she has taken a policy stand that was courageous, not cautious. When she was willing to voice a position on any issue where her stance was brave, and not just following Penn and Schoen’s pulse-taking on the current vox populi. She sure hasn’t been doing it on gay marriage: I saw her on television recently explaining why she was against it – and the senator represents a state where gay-friendly Republican politicians may as well be the state bird. (And if she’s suddenly going to come out for Iraq withdrawal now — it’s only a matter of time before that stance will be the equivalent of her wearing a mesh trucker hat in the East Village on Bridge and Tunnel night.)

If a Hillary supporter can point me to one decision or vote she’s made in the last four years where she took a stand that went against her best political interests – I’ll buy the first beer. (Obligatory disclaimer: Literally, the first beer to one lucky reader. I’m not buying five thousand people their first beers of the evening. End of obligatory disclaimer.)

Say what you want to about John Kerry – and lord knows, I’ve said a lot of things about John Kerry, occasionally even without the presence of alcoholic beverages in my system or my fists belligerently waving at the heavens — but he was one of only 14 Democrats who had the courage to vote against the so-called Defense of Marriage Act – a bill of prejudice and fear encouraged by a Democratic president in 1996, a presidential election year, as a little hateful shotglass of Dick Morris triangulation.

In that one vote, Kerry made a choice that he would not be seen by later generations the way we today look upon Orval Faubus and George Wallace, barricades on the road of another civil rights movement’s progress.

In that one vote, Kerry would not stand in the doorway against progress, but instead stand for equality. Even though he had ample presidential ambitions. Even though he himself was in the fight of his senatorial life that year against a very popular Governor Weld. Even though he knew his vote would be red meat for the fund-raising letters and “family values” platforms of a hundred GOP grass roots pamphlets when he would eventually run for president – and so it was.

Say what you will about John Kerry. But when he voted against DOMA, he did the right thing when few others did.
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jenndar Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:36 PM
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1. That is a great post.
And good commentary on Hillary's Senate career. I watch C-SPAN 2 religiously and I'm consistently disappointed in her lack of conviction.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:08 PM
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4. I agree, I MO, we should expect nothing less than a true leader
willing to take tough stands and able to take the heat for some of those positions. Hillary just doesn't seem to meet this standard for me.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:44 PM
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2. Still seems unnecessarily snarky
It is very good that he's pointing out Kerry's courage in opposing DOMA, something else I thought wasn't talked about enough in the campaign. But he almost says it in a way that implies that taking a courageous stand on DOMA was the exception in Kerry's otherwise lackluster career. So I'm not sure I'd call this high praise. There are far more instances of courage and conviction which set Kerry apart from Hillary or any other modern Dem politician.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:49 PM
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3. Agree. n/t
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:07 PM
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5. Centrism should not equal "doesn't stand for anything"
Hillary is trying to tack Right and be a centrist, but she just comes across as someone without core values. I just feel like she's got all of the negatives of a "liberal" without any of the good actions that make it worth it. As I said in another post, I think that Gov. Warner is a better "centrist" choice than Hillary. She'll be trying to ride on her husband's coattails but so far, nothing I've seen from her, except maybe her speech on abortion, has excited me or got me thinking about an issue differently. I mean, is it for sure that she's going to run in '08? What if all of this hoopla will end up being a whole lot of sound and fury symbolizing nothing.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:32 PM
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6. I don't think she's running.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:35 PM
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7. I agree with you - I always thought that Bill was more interested in
having her run than she was.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:03 PM
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8. Face it - Dem pundits have no sense of real history. The right has spun
the left into thinking only in terms of abortion, gays, and values.

The Dems always oblige.
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