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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:25 AM
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Now the NYT reports:
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:32 AM
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1. My reply posted also on GD
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 11:33 AM by Mass

Clearly Schumer does not get it - it is not about whether you can win elections. It is about people's life. Playing politics with that is bad. Had he and Reid one a better explanation of why Alito was bad and had they pushed for this filibuster , it would be one thing. But knowing they did not do all they could to change the votes, this comment is totally wrong.

Still, Democrats vowed to make an issue of Justice Alito and Chief Justice Roberts's decisions in elections this fall and beyond. "We will be watching our two newest justices," Senator Charles E. Schumer, a New York Democrat on the Judiciary Committee and the chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said in a speech before the vote.

"Make no mistake, we will make sure the American people understand the implications of these votes today," Mr. Schumer said. "Elections may have consequences, Mr. President, but votes like these also have consequences for future elections."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:35 AM
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2. And they played right into the Repugs hands
who were playing politics with the issue. Sigh!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:44 AM
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3. Another thing
Don't they realize if Kerry hadn't even attempted the filibuster the Repugs would have attacked their conviction on the issues? They were all voicing their disapproval based on the very issues Kerry cited, but were just going to stand down, vote and let it be. How strong is the perceived defense of those arguments when a fight was deemed not worth it?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:41 PM
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7. Another take on the NYT piece. IMO Shumer comes off as double speaking.
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 12:46 PM by wisteria
We are going to be watching them NOW. What can we do now? We can't stop them from doing what they will do now. It's obvious, this was a calculated political move designed for what they figured had the best possible outcome.
1.
We look like we stand for something, but can't stop the bigger guy.
2.
We appear to looked resigned to the inevitable and do not obstruct and interfere with the Republican momentum on this.Thus supposedly winning us support in the Red States. (I can't believe they think the only reason we lost the last mid-term and 2004 election was our party being viewed as obstructionists.)
3.
We will watch them now and when they threaten our beloved causes like Roe vs Wade and Civil Rights,(both of which we should have fought before the vote) we will act tough and send out fund raising letters telling people we are fighting for them and to keep that money coming in.

This all plays into the image the public has of all politicians being out for themselves and not for the people.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:44 PM
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8. I agree totally with you.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:08 PM
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4. If there was no filibuster attempt, this would have been the story
and all Democrats would be seen as too timid and too worried to take a stand. This is the same person who wrote the "quixotic" Kerry article. What a blatant hypocrite.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:12 PM
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5. Maybe just
another media attempt to go after the Democrats.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:33 PM
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6. Can't they see there own inconsistency
- Last Wednesday they had an editorial calling for a filibuster EVEN IF THERE WERE TOOO FEW VOTES.

- Friday, they have the snarky article that absolutely ridiculed Kerry as an elist, in Switzerland, quixotic attempt - why is doing this.

-Saturday, little photo just saying Kerry is continuing

-Wednesday - this article saying the Democrats should have stpped this - written by the same person as the Friday piece. Does he have multiple personalities?

Real Tinfoil hat cojecture - The NYT has written at least a thousand times that Hillary is the front runner, starting in Nov 2004. During the cam
It's too bad that they didn't put their country first (if they believed their own editorial)and actually lauded Kerry and Kennedy and called on people to support them. That they instead ridicled him, likely hurting the effort is appalling. What do they believe in?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 01:29 PM
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9. Robert Parry's take on the filibuster
And I have to ask, base on the first paragraph in the snip: Do people actual hear what they listen to?


Snip...

Kerry and his close ally, Sen. Ted Kennedy, didn’t help their cause much either by failing to concentrate on Alito’s advocacy for giving the President sweeping authority as a “unitary executive” and his support for the President’s “plenary” – or unlimited – powers as Commander in Chief during wartime.

Much as Democrats did during poorly focused Senate Judiciary Committee hearings, Kerry and Kennedy recounted what sounded like a checklist of favorite causes of liberal single-issue groups. The threat that Alito represented to constitutional checks and balances – and thus the liberties of all Americans – often was treated as an after-thought.

So, some Democrats who opposed Alito decided that his confirmation didn’t measure up to the “extraordinary circumstances” that the Senate’s centrist “Gang of 14” – seven Democrats and seven Republicans – said were needed to justify a filibuster of Bush’s judicial picks.

That meant Kerry could muster only 25 votes, while the Republicans amassed 72 votes for cloture – a dozen more than the 60 needed to shut off debate. Those votes included 19 Democrats freed from party discipline by Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid.

On the final confirmation vote, however, Alito was approved by a much smaller margin, 58-42, meaning that he could have been kept off the Supreme Court if all those who considered him a poor choice had backed the filibuster.

By contrast, when Republicans were in the minority, they aggressively used the filibuster to get their way.

In 1991, for instance, Senate Republicans blocked funding for an investigation into whether George H.W. Bush and other senior Republicans illegally met with radical Iranian mullahs behind President Jimmy Carter’s back in 1980.

An Angry Base

The Alito capitulation by Senate Democratic leaders has infuriated much of the Democratic base, which recognized the constitutional stakes of putting another supporter of the “unitary executive” on the Supreme Court. But Reid and other top Democrats chose to mount only a symbolic battle.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/020106.html



What Kerry devoted huge chunks of every speech to this, even citing examples:



Jan. 25 speech

Snip...

“In his speech, Judge Alito ‘preach the gospel’ of the Reagan Administration’s Justice Department: the theory of a unitary executive. Though in the hearings, Judge Alito attempted to downplay the significance of this theory by saying it did not address the scope of the power of the executive branch but rather addressed the question of who controls the executive branch, don’t be fooled. The unitary executive theory has everything to do with the scope of executive power.

“In fact, even Stephen Calabresi, one of the fathers of the theory, has stated that ‘he practical consequence of this theory is dramatic: it renders unconstitutional independent agencies and counsels.’ This means that Congress would lose the power to protect public safety by creating agencies like the Consumer Product Safety Commission—which ensures the safety of products on the marketplace—and the Securities and Exchange Commission—which protects Americans from corporations like Enron—and the President would gain it.

“Carried to its logical end, the theory goes much further than invalidating independent agencies. The Bush Administration has used it to justify both its illegal domestic spying program and its ability to torture detainees. The Administration seems to view this theory as a blank check for executive overreaching.

“Judge Alito’s endorsement of the unitary executive theory is not my only cause for concern. In 1986, while working in the Justice Department, Judge Alito endorsed the idea that presidential ‘signing statements’ could be used to influence judicial interpretation of legislation. His premise was that the President’s understanding of legislation was as important as Congress’ in determining legislative intent—startling when you consider that Congress is the legislative branch.



Jan. 27 speech

Snip...

“His eagerness to buy the FBI's arguments, particularly in light of the Supreme Court decisions to the contrary, raises serious questions about how he would approach serious constitutional violations to the National Security Agency's program of domestic eavesdropping. Americans across the board are concerned about the violation of the law with respect to what we passed in the Congress overwhelmingly. After all, with the eavesdropping in Lee and the eavesdropping being conducted now, we see some startling similarity. Both are defended on the basis of Executive discretion and self-restraint.


“The fourth amendment is not defined that way. It is defined by judicial restraint itself, not the Executive restraint, and by judicial review.


“We also should never forget, as we think about this issue, the words of an eminent Justice, Justice Brandeis, who said:


Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent....The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.


“I believe that is what we need to protect ourselves against. That is what the Framers created the judiciary to do. And that is what I fear the record shows Judge Alito has not been willing to do.


“Now, if his judicial opinions and legal memoranda do not convince you of these things, you can take a look at the speech he gave to the Federalist Society in which, as a sitting judge, he ‘preached the gospel’ of the Reagan Justice Department nearly 15 years after he left it; a speech in which he announced his support of the ‘unitary executive theory’ on the grounds that it ‘best captures the meaning of the Constitution's text and structure.’


“As Beth Nolan, former White House counsel to President Clinton, describes it:


unitary executive’ is a small phrase with almost limitless import: At the very least, it embodies the concept of Presidential control over all Executive functions, including those that have traditionally been exercised by ‘independent’ agencies and other actors not subject to the President's direct control. Under this meaning, Congress may not, by statute, insulate the Federal Reserve or the Federal Election Commission...from Presidential control.


“Judge Alito believes you can. The phrase is also used to embrace expansive interpretations of the President's substantive powers, and strong limits on the Legislative and Judicial branches. This is the apparent meaning of the phrase in many of this Administration's signing statements.


“Now, most recently, one of those signing statements was used to preserve the President's right to just outright ignore the ban on torture that was passed overwhelmingly by the Congress. We had a long fight on this floor. I believe the vote was somewhere in the 90s, if I recall correctly. Ninety-something said this is the intent of Congress: to ban torture. But the President immediately turned around and did a signing in which he suggested an alternative interpretation. And Judge Alito has indicated his support for that Executive power.


“During the hearings, Judge Alito attempted to convince the committee that the unitary executive theory is not about the scope of Presidential power. But that is just flat wrong. Not only does the theory read Executive power very broadly, but, by necessity, it reads congressional power very narrowly. In other words, as the President gains exclusive power over a matter, the Constitution withholds Congress's authority to regulate in that field. That is not, by any originalist interpretation, what the Founding Fathers intended.


“Let me give you a real-life example, as described again by Beth Nolan:



Jan 30 speech


Snip...

“Mr. President, a fair amount has been said about Judge Alito’s endorsement of the unitary executive theory. This is a complicated and somewhat abstract theory of Constitutional interpretation, but if it is ever endorsed by a majority of the Court, it will have a significant practical impact on our every day lives.


“What it says is that the President alone is responsible for enforcing the laws. At its most simplistic, it seems somewhat reasonable: Congress makes the laws, the President enforces the laws, and the judiciary interprets the laws. The theory, in fact, dates back to the administration of Franklin Roosevelt, and it has been championed by liberal and conservative scholars and administrations as a way of asserting the President’s ability to retain control over independent agencies. But, use of the theory in recent times has been changing.


“During Judge Alito’s tenure, the Reagan Administration developed new uses for the theory. It was used to support claims of limitless presidential power in the area of foreign affairs—including the actions that became the Iran-Contra affair. And, this view of presidential power has been carried on by the current Bush Administration, claiming in Presidential signing statements, that the President can ignore anti-torture legislation overwhelmingly passed here in Congress. Not only is the substance of that message incredible, but the idea that the President can somehow alter Congressional intent—the meaning of legislation agreed upon by 100 Senators—with a single flick of a pen is absolutely ludicrous. It turns the meaning of legislative intent on its head.


“In the hearings, Judge Alito attempted to downplay the significance of this theory by saying it did not address the scope of the power of the executive branch, but rather, addressed the question of who controls the executive branch. Don’t be fooled by that explanation. The unitary executive theory has everything to do with the scope of executive power.





These speeches are not the only times Kerry focused in on this issue. The only thing I can take from this is that Parry is talking about the Judiciary hearings and Kerry is not a member of that committee.

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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 01:33 PM
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10. That does it.
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 01:33 PM by whometense
Now I have to quote The Chimes at Midnight.
http://www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com/http://chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com/2006/02/by-way.html

By the Way...

don't tell anyone, keep it on the QT but I think we won on Monday.

Yeah I know, Kennedy and Kerry were only able to swing twenty five votes behind a filibuster bid but stop and think, they whomped that coalition together in something like four days.

If they'd had a full week and a little luck who knows what they could've accomplished?

A progressive block, a resistance center if you will is forming in the US Senate. It isn't coalescing at a speed pleasing to the internet, the personalities aren't net favorites, but it is happening. Our jobs as bloggers and the new media punditariat is to nurture this block and get them in contact with the base.

A transmission belt has been created, up until now, liberal politics on line has been enthusiastic but a top-down phenomenon...
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 01:42 PM
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11. Who is this guy? I have never heard of him. Is he worth writing to?
It's amazes me how people have selective listening,reading and hearing skills.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 01:54 PM
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12. Thanks for including all the excerpts
I'm with you - the criticism is probably valid for Kennedy, but Kerry seemed to focus on that and on the shift of power from the individual (to corporations or governmment) It may be that Parry took all Kerry's comments on the latter to be special interests rather than very parallel to the other shift of power.

In fact if you take the Congress as being closer to the people, both shifts are from (the people) to the (executive).

Did you send your post as a letter to him - you should I really don't get why he is saying that. Kerry likely spoke more words on this than any other Senator.
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