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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 09:49 PM
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We know who to thank for the defeat of "Lose Your Healthcare"...
Edited on Fri May-12-06 09:51 PM by MonteLukast
Hint: He's tall... he has hair like spun silver... and a voice like sex...
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 09:52 PM
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1. Best description of John Kerry ever
:evilgrin:
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 09:56 PM
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2. 'and a voice like sex'
:-)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:01 PM
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3. I'm listening to the May 11 American University speech as I read this
Edited on Fri May-12-06 10:20 PM by karynnj
I had read it quickly yesterday, thought I knew how it would sound, after all I heard part of it in Boston. I'm blown away hearing it now. Perfect as Boston was - his phrasing and voice is better here. The list of 10 things read brilliantly and the NH version sounded good, but this is unbelievable. (The audience really seemed to think so, too.) I espescially liked the part where he said idears about 5 or 6 times within a minute - so cute.

Why do you say he was the deciding factor? (Not arguing, but Kennedy and Durbin were pretty good too.) I heard Snowe thank him for his help.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:38 PM
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5. The speeches are different and much, much more personal
I wondered back in late '04, after the loss, when the word came out that Sen. Kerry might run again what changes and challenges and such he would face in another run. I also wondered what the cost would be in another run. I guess I am getting my answer. Kerry's speeches are personal this year. He is talking about the issues and what the Dems as a whole are going to have to do.

But it feels different. I saw Sen. Kerry do this before in other races in Mass. I remember those moments in debates when he seemed to answer a question by bringing something personal up, something that was not all that pleasant to think about and that showed an emotional cost in his face. (Geez, I voted for him because of some of those moments.) I feel it again. The Senator is just more himself, as vague as that description sounds. I hope to Gawd that he never does get those consultants back who muted some of this real voice.

I want to hear John Kerry talk about veterans and the fact that the Bush Admin is turning it's back on them. I want to hear Kerry talk about false patriots and how those who never wore the uniform have no right to question the patriotism of those who did and who want to register dissent. I want to hear that voice that asks moral questions and calls the nation to question whether what it is doing is in line with our values as a nation. It feels right, oh so right. It just sounds like his real voice. (I have heard this before and I did hear it in '04, but it stronger now.)

There is a cost to all this. The Rethugs are ruthless about anyone who questions them. The press thinks that everything is done for cynical reasons. But damn, it sounds so good and so authentic to me and so familiar.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:48 PM
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7. It sounds incrediblely genuine to me as well
I agree that there is a cost - but I think Kerry realizes that he has some protection - the people he holds dearest, his family and those close friends who were so present in his campaign that I actually recognize them in the footage of the convention, obviously believe in his authenticity and it's clear he does as well. (I liked the little Esquire(?) quote about losing that what was important was that he had his family and his integrity.

I love the way his speeches grow better and better.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:54 PM
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8. Me too!
Edited on Fri May-12-06 10:57 PM by TayTay
Me too! The true mark of it is that no one else can deliver his speeches. They can only be delivered by John Kerry. None of his recent speeches are interchangeable with anyone elses. Only John Kerry could give the Faneuil Hall speech of the one at AU. It his view, and it sounds like him.

And you know what, every damn one of those Rethug ideers are bad ideers. Bad, bad ideers.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 12:33 AM
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10. everything you said, plus
I think the activist is awake in him again. He's back to where he began in the national debate, only this time with a whole lot more power. And we can be sure he's going to use well. The troops and how they are used and abused is at the heart of it all.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:16 PM
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11. I think he has always had the activist and the pragmatic statesman in him
Edited on Sun May-14-06 03:20 PM by karynnj
There are really few people who are 100% real and comfortable in both of these roles. This may be why he really is so unique and special and why he doesn't fit perfectly into either group.

Even in the 1970s, from the books written in the 70s, many of the anti-war activists seemed put off (or jealous) of Kerry's ability to open doors that they couldn't. It wasn't just that he was more polite or that he had the contacts, he had the maturity and the diplomatic skills to know how to approach government leaders and people of power in the media. Beyond that, he had the goal of making a difference, not making a scene. All of those things are political skills which Kerry had even then.

What he did have in common with the activists was the passion in the causes he was behind, the energy to lead, and a believe that the people themselves had the power to change things- if they cared enough. Most politicians may say they believe that the power resides with the people in a democracy - but they act more on the "representative" part of representative democracy. Remember that Senator Stevens implied that Kerry's push to get people to call Senators to vote against ANWR was wrong. That view, that the representatives know more, is elitist.

I thought, naively, that many of Kerry's spring 2005 comments on the need for people to be activists were new and what he learned from 2004, but the words in his 1997(1996 ?) Senate speech when he and Wellstone reintroduced the clean election campaign sound very similar - when he spoke of the need to insure that citizens, not Fortune 500 companies, had a say.

By 2004, Kerry really was 3 very real things at the same time - an excellent, well regarded, articulate, pragmatic politician eloquently offering well thought out solutions, a passionate activist, and a person who had held the government accountable to following the law for 20 years. Once he won the nomination and had numbers showing him to have a real chance to win - the first "Kerry" was who he ran as. It made sense, as that was the model for the type of person who typically wins. Reading his biography, the other 2 "Kerrys", which really have always been there, made it seem almost a "secret" that there was so much more - that was good and needed - not shown.

In 2004, the time was not right for the other "Kerrys". How, in the wake of Reagan's death, could Kerry gain points speaking of his role in stopping Contra/drug running? How, when the bond to W was what it was, could Kerry bring up BCCI - where GHWB didn't do all he could to keep terrorists out of international banking? People were traumatized in 2004 and some still saw Bush as protecting the nation. People did not want to see the dirt swept under the rug - and Michael Moore and some serious journalists were there for those willing to look. Now, I think many 2008 candidate will claim accountability as one of their points and people see the ugly side of things.

Kerry did mention his protests, even in his acceptance speech, but it was shown as part of his past. There was no inkling of the fact that he still could be an activist even as a Senator when in the opposition. The reason for that he was making the case for himself as President. As President, he could say that he would listen (though not necessarily agree) and he would be approachable. These though come from who he seems to be - not from being an activist - as some of the people who listen the least are activists. (Imagine a few DU activists given any power.) Now McCain (!) is a champion of dissent - I would love it if it comes down to Kerry/McCain and he tries to say he thinks dissent is valuable.

McCain may now be pro-dissent- but as Tay Tay said Kerry's speeches on this are so personal, no one else can give them.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:05 PM
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4. Hmmm!
Yum!
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:43 PM
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6. Wow! That is quite the description.
:)

I think he'd like it.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:59 PM
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9. I think that both the good Senator's from MA
had a roll in taking this down actually. The Senior Senator from MA was very forceful on healthcare this week. I did not have time to post most of what I got from Kennedy's office, but he also fought this bill very hard.
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