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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:41 PM
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MY HCG update
Hi all,

I started the HCG protocol on the 31st of August. I am doing 2 doses per day sublingualy (cannot do the shots!!). I did 3 "load days" where you eat to capacity the highest fattening food you can find. They said to expect a gain, even a major one. Day 1 I lost a pound. Day 2 I gained it back. Day three I gained another pound so a net gain of 1 pound. I am now on Day 3 of the VLCD (very low calorie diet - i.e. major restrictions and 500 cals max a day). Day 1 of that I lost 2.4 pounds, day 2 I lost 1.3 pounds and I've yet to weigh in to see how today went.

I have been hungry, but not ravenous as I would have been without the hcg. This is totally doable.

I'll keep you posted. I have about 45-50 pounds I want to shed.

Here are some links:

http://www.oralhcg.com/english/index.htm

http://nfoss.com/poitoc.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aCnN8zpM8I (not me obviously)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:53 AM
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1. Down .8 pownds as of this morning. I'll check in daily.
I ate everything with a lot of salt yesterday. I will avoid that today. Did discover something truly divine. Take an apple, peel it and cut it into chunks, put it in a microwavable bowel, add a couple tablespoons water, sprinkle with cinnamon, add a little vanilla flavored stevia (http://www.vitacost.com/Wisdom-Natural-Sweet-Leaf-Liquid-Stevia-Vanilla-Cr-me?csrc=GPF-716123123846) cover and microwave for 2 minutes.

Heaven.

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:37 PM
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2. Down another pound. Just found out my garlic salt (that I put on everything) has sugar and
corn starch in it. This could account for not losing more the first week (my losses seem consistent for those in their 2nd week and beyond).

We'll see what happens this week after I've ditched that.

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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:38 AM
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3. I'm interested in your progress
and wish you the best! :hi:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:10 AM
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4. Thanks! Today is officially 1 week on the low calorie portion and I'm down 6.5 pounds!
:woohoo:
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:38 PM
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5. Fantastic!
:yourock:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:53 PM
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6. I'll keep ya posted! :)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:03 AM
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7. Down another POUND.
:woohoo:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:06 PM
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8. Been a couple days - was busy planning a meet and greet at my home tonight for the Mayor
It was a great night and I stuck to water and had my 100 grams of chicken breast before guests arrived. Go me! :)

My weight loss has slowed in the last couple days. Saturday I made it back into the 150s (barely). Sunday, no change. Today, down .4 for a total of 9.4 pounds in 13 days. :)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:59 PM
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9. Day 18 - down a total of 13 pounds
:woohoo:
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:37 PM
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10. That's quite a daily average!
You're really onto something! :yourock:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:41 PM
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11. I gained a pound the next day but am down that pound today making my average .66 pounds a day
:)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 09:31 AM
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12. I have about week left - I had 2 stalls but I've released 23.7 pounds
30 more to go. I hope to release at least another 6 pounds before the end of the month. I am loving this protocol!
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:41 PM
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13. Congratulations, helderheid!!
While reading your thread, I was impressed by your description of 'releasing' your excess pounds. That has made a big impression on me. The thought of releasing the weight rather than 'losing' the weight, I don't know, sounds like I am more in control and am choosing the result. Does that make any sense?

I applaud your efforts and the results you are getting! I am interested in learning more about this method-

Great results!!!!! :bounce: :hi:

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:35 PM
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14. Thank you! I didn't come up with the terminology but I too really like "releasing" versus losing. I
have now released 26.1 pounds - I am hoping for at least 2.8 more released by Saturday. That would get me in the 130s (barely) and would be a major emotional/mental breakthrough to do so.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask! I'll be doing another round after the holidays in order to release the last of the weight I want to. Should reach my goals by Feb/March. :)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:09 AM
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15. seeing is believing
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 10:44 AM
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16. Wow, that's pretty dramatic!
The pic isn't working for me in your post but I was able to open it separately. You must be so thrilled! I'll bet you're feeling better, too! Congratulations! :yourock:
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 12:43 PM
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17. Here's your picture!!! GORGEOUS.


KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK :)

aA
kesha
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 10:45 AM
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18. Post Thanksgiving update
I ate whatever appealed to me. I did have a minor gain (water weight I suspect) that went away within a day. It's amazing how much I have to eat to maintain!
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MadAnne Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 05:00 PM
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19. So how long do you stay on 500 Calories?
If you have time post a bit more detail. You look amazing.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:34 AM
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20. Thanks! Here's the protocol:
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:35 AM
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21. Fascinating!
'Lurking around,' and saw this!

GOOD LUCK TO YOU!
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cpamomfromtexas Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:53 PM
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22. Anxious to give this a try, my doctor mentioned this today and
said a side effect is getting hormones rebalanced, that is the main reason he wants me to try it. A nice side effect will be losing the weight I gained while on hydrocortisone to get my adrenals working again.

I'm a little scared but feel better after reading your results.

Can you elaborate on what you eat and how you keep from getting hungry?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 02:32 PM
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23. I started my 2nd round a couple weeks ago. You need to read "Pounds and Inches"
http://www.hcginfoonline.com/ORIGINAL_Dr_Simeons_Pounds_and_Inches.htm

Hunger - what hunger? :) HCG releases abnormal fat in your body which is what you live off of besides the 500 calories. I eat between 350-450 and am not hungry. If I get munchy, I drink water with organic apple cider vinegar and a little vanilla stevia - YUM and kills any and all cravings.

I am now at 133. I started (before round 1) at 168. This has been a miracle for me. I too was terribly unbalanced hormonally. This has fixed me!! PM me if you have any questions!

Here is the diet:

Starting treatment

In menstruating women, the best time to start treatment is immediately after a period. Treatment may also be started later, but it is advisable to have at least ten days in hand before the onset of the next period. Similarly, the end of a course of HCG should never be made to coincide with menstruation. If things should happen to work out that way, it is better to give the last injection three days before the expected date of the menses so that a normal diet can he resumed at onset. Alternatively, at least three injections should be given after the period, followed by the usual three days of dieting. This rule need not be observed in such patients who have reached their normal weight before the end of treatment and are already on a higher caloric diet.

Patients who require more than the minimum of 23 injections and who therefore skip one day a week in order to postpone immunity to HCG cannot have their third injections on the day before the interval. Thus if it is decided to skip Sundays, the treatment can be started on any day of the week except Thursdays. Supposing they start on Thursday, they will have their third injection on Saturday, which is also the day on which they start their 500 Calorie diet. They would then have no injection on the second day of dieting; this exposes them to an unnecessary hardship, as without the injection they will feel particularly hungry. Of course, the difficulty can be overcome by exceptionally injecting them on the first Sunday. If this day falls between the first and second or between the second and third injection, we usually prefer to give the patient the extra day of forced feeding, which the majority rapturously enjoy.
The Diet

The 500 Calorie diet is explained on the day of the second injection to those patients who will be preparing their own food, and it is most important that the person who will actually cook is present - the wife, the mother or the cook, as the case may be. Here in Italy patients are given the following diet sheet.

Breakfast:


Tea or coffee in any quantity without sugar. Only one tablespoonful of milk allowed in 24 hours. Saccharin or other sweeteners may be used.

Lunch:


1. 100 grams of veal, beef, chicken breast, fresh white fish, lobster, crab or shrimp. All visible fat must be carefully removed before cooking, and the meat must be weighed raw. It must be boiled or grilled without additional fat. Salmon, eel, tuna, herring, dried or pickled fish are not allowed. The chicken breast must be removed raw from the bird.
2. One type of vegetable only to be chosen from the following: spinach, chard, chicory, beet-greens, green salad, tomatoes, celery, fennel, onions, red radishes, cucumbers, asparagus, cabbage.
3. One breadstick (grissino) or one Melba toast.
4. An apple or an orange or a handful of strawberries or one-half grapefruit.

Dinner :


The same four choices as lunch.

The juice of one lemon daily is allowed for all purposes. Salt, pepper, vinegar, mustard powder, garlic, sweet basil, parsley, thyme, majoram, etc., may be used for seasoning, but no oil, butter or dressing.

Tea, coffee, plain water, or mineral water are the only drinks allowed, but they may be taken in any quantity and at all times.

In fact, the patient should drink about 2 liters of these fluids per day. Many patients are afraid to drink so much because they fear that this may make them retain more water. This is a wrong notion as the body is more inclined to store water when the intake falls below its normal requirements.

The fruit or the breadstick may be eaten between meals instead of with lunch or dinner, but not more than than four items listed for lunch and dinner may be eaten at one meal.

No medicines or cosmetics other than lipstick, eyebrow pencil and powder may be used without special permission

Every item in the list is gone over carefully, continually stressing the point that no variations other than those listed may be introduced. All things not listed are forbidden, and the patient is assured that nothing permissible has been left out. The 100 grams of meat must he scrupulously weighed raw after all visible fat has been removed. To do this accurately the patient must have a letter-scale, as kitchen scales are not sufficiently accurate and the butcher should certainly not be relied upon. Those not uncommon patients who feel that even so little food is too much for them, can omit anything they wish.

There is no objection to breaking up the two meals. For instance having a breadstick and an apple for breakfast or an orange before going to bed, provided they are deducted from the regular meals. The whole daily ration of two breadsticks or two fruits may not be eaten at the same time, nor can any item saved from the previous day be added on the following day. In the beginning patients are advised to check every meal against their diet sheet before starting to eat and not to rely on their memory. It is also worth pointing out that any attempt to observe this diet without HCG will lead to trouble in two to three days. We have had cases in which patients have proudly flaunted their dieting powers in front of their friends without mentioning the fact that they are also receiving treatment with HCG. They let their friends try the same diet, and when this proves to be a failure - as it necessarily must - the patient starts raking in unmerited kudos for superhuman willpower.

It should also be mentioned that two small apples weighing as much as one large one nevertheless have a higher caloric value and are therefore not allowed, though there is no restriction on the size of one apple. Some people do not realize that a tangerine is not an orange and that chicken breast does not mean the breast of any other fowl, nor does it mean a wing or drumstick.

The most tiresome patients are those who start counting Calories and then come up with all manner of ingenious variations which they compile from their little books. When one has spent years of weary research trying to make a diet as attractive as possible without jeopardizing the loss of weight, culinary geniuses who are out to improve their unhappy lot are hard to take.
Making up the Calories

The diet used in conjunction with HCG must not exceed 500 Calories per day, and the way these Calories are made up is of utmost importance. For instance, if a patient drops the apple and eats an extra breadstick instead, he will not be getting more Calories but he will not lose weight. There are a number of foods, particularly fruits and vegetables, which have the same or even lower caloric values than those listed as permissible, and yet we find that they interfere with the regular loss of weight under HCG, presumably owing to the nature of their composition. Pimiento peppers, okra, artichokes and pears are examples of this.

While this diet works satisfactorily in Italy, certain modifications have to be made in other countries. For instance, American beef has almost double the caloric value of South Italian beef, which is not marbled with fat. This marbling is impossible to remove. In America, therefore, low-grade veal should be used for one meal and fish (excluding all those species such as herring, mackerel, tuna, salmon, eel, etc., which have a high fat content, and all dried, smoked or pickled fish), chicken breast, lobster, crawfish, prawns, shrimps, crabmeat or kidneys for the other meal. Where the Italian breadsticks, the so-called grissini, are not available, one Melba toast may be used instead, though they are psychologically less satisfying. A Melba toast has about the same weight as the very porous grissini which is much more to look at and to chew.

In many countries specially prepared unsweetened and low Calorie foods are freely available, and some of these can be tentatively used. When local conditions or the feeding habits of the population make changes necessary, it must be borne in mind that the total daily intake must not exceed 500 Calories if the best possible results are to be obtained, that the daily ration should contain 200 grams of fat-free protein and a very small amount of starch.

Just as the daily dose of HCG is the same in all cases, so the same diet proves to be satisfactory for a small elderly lady of leisure or a hard working muscular giant. Under the effect of HCG the obese body is always able to obtain all the Calories it needs from the abnormal fat deposits, regardless of whether it uses up 1500 or 4000 per day. It must be made very clear to the patient that he is living to a far greater extent on the fat which he is losing than on what he eats.

Many patients ask why eggs are not allowed. The contents of two good sized eggs are roughly equivalent to 100 grams of meat, but fortunately the yolk contains a large amount of fat, which is undesirable. Very occasionally we allow egg - boiled, poached or raw - to patients who develop an aversion to meat, but in this case they must add the white of three eggs to the one they eat whole. In countries where cottage cheese made from skimmed milk is available 100 grams may occasionally be used instead of the meat, but no other cheeses are allowed.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:17 PM
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24. Almost in the 120s again!
Edited on Sun Feb-15-09 06:17 PM by helderheid
:woohoo:

ETA: height 5'
Start weight: 168
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:32 PM
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25. 129! 2 pounds away from a healthy BMI - it's been 8 YEARS since I've been here!
:woohoo:
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 09:02 PM
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26. how wonderful! You are to be congratulated on a fantastic
weightloss. You must feel really good!

I've admired your perseverance and I appreciate you posting your progress.

keep up the great work.

:hug:

aA
kesha
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 09:34 PM
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27. Thanks so much! 126.6 now and a HEALTHY BMI! 16 more days to go!
:hug:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:44 AM
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28. Pictures
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 09:32 AM
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29. You look great!!
Edited on Sun Mar-08-09 09:38 AM by justgamma
Congratulations! :fistbump:

I started with a bmi of 41.7. I'm now at 26.8 only 12 pounds to go. I've never been at "normal weight".

You are so inspiring. Thank you.
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 02:15 PM
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30. I am THRILLED for you! You look amazing.
Congratulations on your very hard work. YOU DID IT!

good health :toast:

:hug:

kesha
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 01:36 PM
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31. Last round (2nd) is over as of tonight - total weight released, 46 pounds since Sept (2 rounds)
I'm 5' and now a HEALTHY 122 and in size 6/8s!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-05-09 05:42 PM
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32. Just a quick update
I'm maintaining beautifully - between 122-125 most of the time. Have had to do a few steak days but what a feeling to be able to correct anything above 125 in a day.

I start my final round next month when the kids are back in school, this time a short round of 21 days which should let me release the final 10 pounds I'd like to release. That gets me smack dab in the middle of a healthy BMI. I am on the high end now (127+ has me overweight).

Longhorn, I miss you! I think of you every time I come here. I hope you can support me from beyond on this final round. Thanks for your support when you were here with us physically. :hug:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-05-09 05:49 PM
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33. Latest pic!
I'm on the left looking a litte psycho. Bound to happen after 6 days of all day classes. :)

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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 01:55 PM
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34. I'm really happy for you! I did one round and lost about 30 lbs (6 weeks).
Unfortunately, I've gained about 15 of it back; it's been 9 mos. since the first round! I am not even sure how it got ahead of me, but it did and now I'm not sure if I should do round two or what. Maybe I should have done round two a long time ago, but I found it really difficult to exercise as much as my doctor wanted (1 hr. per day of pretty intense cardio) and I think I didn't want to face it all again. Your results make me think I should try again; at least I haven't gained it all back.

:yourock;
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 08:31 PM
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35. Starting my 3rd (hopefully last) round! Today was my load day
here is my blog:

http://journeytomeviahcg.blogspot.com/

I have a little over 10 pounds to lose. How GREAT is it to say that?!?!

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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:44 PM
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36. you've done great helderheid!
Wow! 10lbs from your goal!! woohoo!! I had my 2nd loading day today, and I am physically uncomfortable. yes, there's another one tomorrow, but then I will be off on my own journey to a better me! Thank you so much for helping me with this!

I still don't know how to blog... your blog is great looking and oh-so helpful and uplifting! :hug:

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 08:32 PM
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37. Thank you!!
I can't tell you how much your support and friendship means to me!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 08:32 PM
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38. DOWN 50 POUNDS! PICTURE!
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:06 AM
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39. Just jumped into this forum to ask if anyone's tried HCG and found your post!
I'm starting on Saturday and was kind of scared that I was being scammed...it seems irrational, the whole thing, but you have inspired me.

Your progress is AMAZING.

ps, not sure why but I always thought you were a dude!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 08:44 PM
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40. LOL! No dude. :) Congrats on taking the plunge! Sounds like you're going through a clinic
Be SURE you're following the original protocol by Dr. Simeon (Pounds and Inches) - there are a lot of clinics which have deviated (some successfully, some not so much but why mess with what works?).

Keep me posted! OH, and if you have a blog, tell me about it - I'd love to follow it! It also helps to write out the experiences. :)
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:49 AM
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41. Wow, you look great! I know you feel wonderful, too.
I wrote upthread about starting back on the hcg but haven't yet. You definitely inspire me to get going again!
:hi:
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