We had this same gang dead to rights during Watergate

[leftofthedial]

and again during Iran Contra

and during BCCI

In fact, this same gang has been commiting treason and massive theft since before WWII.

Now we have them with an array of treasonous offenses, potentially including 9-11, NSA wiretapping, election fraud . . .

Will they get away with it again?

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. God, I hope not but the past doesn't leave me hopeful.

[blm]

2. You need to read this Parry article and share it with others -

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/051006.html


HEY DEMOCRATS - THE TRUTH MATTERS!!!!!

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/051006.html

>>>>>>>>>
So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.
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[leftofthedial]

The Parry's have been trying to tell us the truth about these bastards

for decades now.

[SammyWinstonJack]

3. They certainly believe they will. I hope not.

[SoCalDem]

4. We fail to twist the knife and finish them off..

oCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-20-05 06:08 AM
Original message

Now we know the true consequences of "going easy" on Iran Contra


Had the Dems (who DID control both houses of congress) pressed harder, and not contented themselves with the idea that GHWB (the wimp) would be easygoing, and inconsequential...well things would be very different now.,

Had Reagan/Bush gotten their just desserts for Iran Contra, and all the dirt been exposed, they would have left office, fully disgraced..GHWB probably would not have even gotten elected..Carter would be held in higher esteem...and There's no way in HELL that *² would have gotten appointed to the white house

The appointments to the SCOTUS that were made by GHWB would have been made by a democrat..Kennedy..Souter..Thomas would not be on the bench, and we would not be facing a right wing court for the foreseeable future.

The democratic party has always hated "piling on", and has been ready to "forgive and forget".

Look at all the key players in this administration.. Almost all of them have their roots in the Iran Contra Days, Grenada, Panama, and many other republican schemes.

We do ourselves and the country a great disservice when we let the "bad guys" off with a slap on the wrist.

republicans have no shame.. they wear their crimes like badges of honor..and like the energizer bunnies, they just keep on coming back..

This is why we cannot let Rove off the hook, and strong language and actions are necessary..

The only thing that republicans DO understand is PUBLIC HUMILIATION, and jail terms.


If you DO wrong, you need to be punished..not just turned out of office to go lick your wounds until next time :grr:

[leftofthedial]

5. the Dems, like the current DLCers, go all soft

and conciliatory

when elected

[blm]

24. Wanna puke? Read Clinton's book why they left the books closed.

He wanted Poppy to have a peaceful retirement - as if evil ever sleeps.

Clinton and Gore had other opprtunities to open the books during their term when CIA drugrunning came to light, but Clinton downplayed it and even helped destroy the reporter who uncovered the story.

And THAT is the real reason BushInc was able to come back stronger and more evil than ever.

Support Open Government Democrats - that's the only way to reverse course in this country.

[MadMaddie]

20. It's going to be up to us....the American people to force

our representives and our next president to bury this scourage once and for all...no pardons, no lenient sentences...an example has to be set ...to warn all parties that this bullshit won't be tolerated ever again...

[blm]

23. Insist on opening all the books - their fate will be sealed by the people

when they learn what has actually been going on in their name.

[annabanana]

6. We really do have to finish the job properly this time.

Or they'll be back in another 30 years or so, with a finely crafted control over the internet, thus closing off the town square to the citizens once and for all...

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

7. and the Kennedy assination

and Viet Nam

[leftofthedial]

16. not to mention MLK and RFK

the cold war anti-communist scam



how do we reform our institutions to protect the world from these leeches?

how do we educate Americans so that they do not fall for these con artists' bullshit again?

[sweetheart]

8. Killing their spawning ground

The dollar-congress ties needs be severed.

[leftofthedial]

11. bingo

day one, job one

get the money out of politics. public campaign financing period. money DOES NOT EQUAL free speech.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

21. and corporations are NOT people

and do NOT have rights

[leftofthedial]

22. correct

[Dunvegan]

9. So now we know the UnDead ALWAYS arise, time to put a stake in 'em.

No mercy. They've had no mercy on us for decades.

Time to end this "New World Order" evil RIGHT NOW.

Game OVAH.

[Warpy]

10. WE can't allow it again

Everybody just wanted Nixon GONE and failed to do the investigation and trials that would have prevented the current disaster. Letting them go again just to get them out of power now is no fix, it's like slapping a bandaid on a gushing severed artery. It didn't work then and it won't work now.

They always come back.

[leftofthedial]

13. speaking of Nixon

it was under Ford that the long-term foundation for this neocon regime was laid.

[SoCalDem]

14. We must also address the "pardon power"

I think that pardons should only be given to people SERVING jail/prison sentences (and having at least served 1 year ) or having served their complete time, and the pardon is to "restore" their 'good name'..

Presidents should not be allowed to run a corrupt administration, only to issue a blanket pardon as they exit..

I would really like to see it not allowed for fellow politicians at all. let them take their lumps like the rest of us

[villager]

12. we have to salt the ground this time, get out the garlic

and make sure these blood-suckers don't get to prey on the living anymore...

[Ladyhawk]

15. Probably.

That may sound pessimistic, but I'm simply looking at history. I HOPE they don't get away with it again. How's that? Good enough?

I cooked up a bunch of Election Fraud CDs and I'm "conspiring" with a local man to start getting them to the people who need to know. So, I haven't given up yet, even though I've threatened to and even though I'm afraid the bad guys have all the power.

[FogerRox]

17. nail 'em jail 'em, if their crimes call for the Death penalty

SO be it.

Dont do the crime, if you cant do the time.

[meow2u3]

18. Repeat criminal sociopaths are running this country

Into the ground! That's the bottom line!

[leftofthedial]

19. in the case of the bushturd

it's multigenerational sociopathy

[porphyrian]

25. Not if we stop them this time.

I, for one, don't intend to let them, in as much as I can do anything about it.