What have we come to in this day & age? A&E has a program on now

[Skidmore]

called "The Bible Code II: Apocalypse and Beyond". Apparently our military and intelligence organizations are searching for a bible code which will allow them to predict disasters. What kind of superstitious, out-of-control crap is this? This is insane.

[mother earth]

1. That's old stuff isn't it? You think they are spending our money

wisely? Think again! One can only imagine what is wasted on a daily basis, while people in our "homeland" go hungry and without medical care.

[mother earth]

2. Don't even think about what we are spending on the wars....

[Felinity]

3. What kind of superstitious, out-of-control crap is this?

Hmmm, I believe this particular kind of crap is what comes out of the colon of a constipated, putrid, fantasmalogical and corrupt Neocon administration after 5 years.

But I could be wrong.

[zeemike]

4. Don't blow it off if you do not know anything about it

But there is something very strange about the so called bible code.
I know because you can buy a program that will research it for you. And it is amazing how much there is of it to study. Far Far to much to be purely chance.

[Felinity]

6. The future is not fixed

Whether or not the bible codes are valid for anything has nothing to do with it. Until something happens, it doesn't exist. After it happens, if you find it in the subject codes, there is no way of knowing whether it existed there prior to that. If it could happen, then it might happen, but if it does happen, then it is written.

Confusing? So is quantum physics. Time and space are way more multidimensional than we mere humans are even capable of perceiving. Time is not linear, but we are bound to perceive it as such or we would not survive.

All this thirst for prognostication on the part of the Judeo-Christian fundamentalists flies in the face of what we are here to do: to perfect ourselves, transcend our fundamental dark nature, realize the perfection within and around us, and create the most peaceful and beautiful world we are capable of. How is looking for hidden messages in the Torah, so that we will know what the future will bring, going to help us? It robs from our ability to see ourselves as empowered to affect the future, rendering us impotent and helpless beings who need Big Brother W to tell us what God thinks we should do.

WARNING WARNING BE VERY AFRAID CODE RED Now I feel better, don't you?

I'd like an administration more focused on a little thing I like to call REALITY.

[zeemike]

8. No the future is not fixed and we can change it

And I understand your argument about time and how it is a perception in our mind, one that is necessary for us to live in the physical world.
And I completely agree with what you say is our mission here, as well as how harmful the obsession with interpreting the prophesies can be, because most interpreters see through the glass darkly and get it wrong most of the time.
But there is great value in the mystery of the Torah being a coded text left for a time when we would have the computer power to find the code. Could we dismiss a letter from a much older and much more advanced civilization just because of the fear of bing confused with fundamentalism and superstition?

And welcome to DU you will be able to find here many different things to talk about and a lot of good people to talk too.

[Sal Minella]

7. Is there a program that will research a Koran code too? An Egyptian

Book of the Dead Code maybe? wtf is with these people?

[zeemike]

10. Yes there is a program that will search any text for a code

But so far the only one that has shown significant results is the Torah (the first 5 books of the bible) if you do not know. The ones written by Moses after he spent some time on the mountain with God.

[Hissyspit]

16. Nonsense.

http://personal.centenary.edu/~mschlat/BibleCode/biblecode.ppt#1

'skip codes'


http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparative/christ/bible_code.htm

"Major Bible scholars ignore the code because, they note, no one has a letter-by-letter version of the Bible as originally written."


http://www.valleyskeptic.com/biblec.htm

"But David E. Thomas dealt the final death blow came when he found the saying 'The code is bogus' 60 times in the book of Genesis."


http://www.csicop.org/si/9711/bible-code.html

"The promoters of hidden-message claims say, 'How could such amazing coincidences be the product of random chance?' I think the real question should be, 'How could such coincidences not be the inevitable product of a huge sequence of trials on a large, essentially random database?'"

[Touchdown]

5. It's the same insane loonies that "invented" a bomb

...that turns enemy troops gay so that they would find each other irresistable and we can shoot them in the backs while they're riding cowboy with each other. I think they called it "Shag and Ahhhh!".;)

These whack-jobs are the ones in charge, the next time you wonder what's wrong with the world.:crazy:

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. The Men Who Stare At Goats - to stop their hearts, of course

''The damn psychic spies should be keeping their damn mouths shut, instead of chitchatting all over town about what they did.'' So says retired Maj. Gen. Albert N. Stubblebine III, the first of the many characters redolent of ''Dr. Strangelove'' who are found in this jaw-dropper of a -- hard to believe, but, yes -- nonfiction story.

Some of these experts contend that a goat's heart can be stopped by the intense gaze of a certain kind of supersoldier. ''Goat didn't have a chance,'' one of these tough guys tells Mr. Ronson. Such fighters sometimes refer to themselves as Jedi Warriors, because the thinking about their occult superpowers dates back to early ''Star Wars'' days. It was then that the post-Vietnam military, demoralized and fiscally hamstrung, was ready to try anything in the way of intangible new weaponry.

Mr. Ronson sets his book up beautifully. It moves with wry, precise agility from crackpot to crackpot in its search for the essence of this early New Age creativity. Much of it can be traced to the 1977 fact-finding mission of Lt. Col. Jim Channon, now also retired but given credit for an influential legacy.

It was Colonel Channon's 125-page ''First Earth Battalion Operations Manual'' that suggested a whole new approach to combat and a whole new type of military uniform. According to Colonel Channon's plan, soldiers' uniforms should include pouches for ginseng regulators, divining tools and loudspeakers that would emit ''indigenous music and words of peace.'' The author's explorations also take him to one soldier of fortune who died after ''acting too big for his boots regarding his superhuman powers,'' and to a New Age company alleged to be dealing in both healing bars (costing $7,600 and resembling blocks of soap) and group sex (''Don't tell your husband because he wouldn't understand the energy work'').

http://www.wanttoknow.info/050513menwhostareatgoatsjonronson

They also thought that if they concentrated hard enough, they'd be able to walk through walls. No, I haven't just made that up. Bible divination is the least of their problems.

[Nikki Stone 1]

12. Ronson? Didn't he write that book about the Ruby Ridge folks and

the annual Owl thingy that Dubya is supposed to be doing?

[muriel_volestrangler]

15. Yes, the same guy: "Them: Adventures with Extremists"

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/books/01/30/ronson.them/

He has a knack for getting weird people to open up and talk to him.

[Skidmore]

17. What Owl thingy? Never heard of this. Do tell.

[doni_georgia]

11. visions of the Nazis in Raiders of the Lost Ark

[blm]

13. Didn't Condi Rice meet at the WH with the Van Impe frauds before Iraq War?

I am certain the WH doesn't believe their BS, but wanted to figure out the best way to use the whole Biblical thing to frame their war policies so they could manipulate the fundies belief system for their own fascist agenda.

They have coopted all the end times thinking - that's what the Left Behind series was for - political manipulation.

[Telly Savalas]

14. Why not? White House advisors read goat entrails

to assess the economic situation and formulate policy. This isn't really that big a stretch.