Randi Rhodes appearance on CNN yesterday

[keta11]

Can someone get word to Randi that she should allow other people to talk during her appearances on TV shows.

I certainly am on her side and agree with her most but was completely turned off by her boorish behavior. She just refused to be calm and measured, talked, talked and talked and wouldnt allow anyone to get in edgewise. I liked her a lot before this but just had to reach for the clicker. It was painful to watch.

[billybob537]

1. Damn! the delete button was a hoax.

[keta11]

6. Delete button programmed to work on

on Fitzmas Day!!

[helderheid]

2. I missed it - is there a clip online?

[valerief]

3. The RW didn't get to be powerhouse they've been over the past

decade by letting Lefties talk. They talked over them and loudly. And, yes, it's boorish, but this ain't no tea party.

[0007]

4. I didn't watch Randi & Larry King, but I got a report that Randi

was being her old old self again. Talking over the talker and not listening. Randi and Rush have a lot in common.

[tridim]

13. Gawd, I'm so sick of this crap

Randi and Rush have exactly nothing in common. Period. One's a mentally challenged pathological liar and the other is a whip-smart truth teller.

Randi and Ed were the only ones who actually did listen to the topics. Watch it again and you'll see.

[0007]

47. I didn't see it the first time, like I said.

[TheFarseer]

101. Then why doesn't she let them talk?

and make them into complete fools when she beats them over the head with their own non-sense?

Rush will let people talk, but only when he knows he has a good comeback. If they are saying something he's not ready for, he'll cut them off. If you have a good comeback, why not let them talk themselves into the ground?

[Warren Stupidity]

106. because they will run out the clock

particularly on tv where segments are very short. It is in their playbook. Plus it isn't her show - she has no control over how long he talks or if she gets a chance to respond.

[TheFarseer]

119. OK, we're argueing about different things

On TV, you've got to punch them in the face in the first 3 seconds and keep swinging til they cry. Then stomp on their head until they say "you're right, I'm wrong, I'm sorry!". On radio, on your her show she could stand to let people talk a bit more.

[fooj]

29. Both Randi AND Ed Schultz were speaking TRUTH TO POWER.

Sorry if that doesn't fit in with the "status quo" at the moment. I generally don't enjoy shouting matches, either. However...this time it was necessary and warranted. Period.

[0007]

43. LOL! So be it!

[Jigarotta]

61. Yes, it sure is warranted.

long overdue to start pounding fists and yelling - things are That serious.

Randy was a bit loud on the show, BUT GOOD FOR HER!
Isn't damned time to get really passionate about the very serious issues at hand here? fuck the 'be nice' 'tude.

[Uben]

5. Yeah, but she sure clammed that repub up....

....when she asked him what his phone number was! If he has nothing to hide and doesn't care if the phone companies sells his info, then why not give out his number on live television? Ha h a ha! Randi rocks!

[tridim]

7. Sorry you feel that way

That's just the way she is, always has been and always will and I love her for it. Did you at least make an attempt to listen to what she was saying? If you did, you would have seen one of the most classic smackdowns in TV history.

Seriously, she's just playing the TV game and she's found a way to win every time. I certainly wouldn't want to force people to listen to her, if she grates on your nerves, simply turn her off. I just don't get why people who don't like her feel they have to tell everyone else that they shouldn't like her either. Maybe I missed the point of your post.

[keta11]

17. Do you sincerely think

her behavior on TV was OK. Talking over people and monopolizing like 60% of a 4 person panel. I bet you wouldnt be fine with if it was a right-winger doing it.It matters the image you project.

[tridim]

22. Her behavior was brilliant and necessary

Would you rather the Republican assholes dominate the microphone like they have since the early 90's? I suppose you'd rather have someone like Joe Biden on there debating those RW hacks.

[Individualist]

75. When dealing with reich wingers,

it's not only okay, it's essential. Last night's broadcast was terrific.

[buff2]

102. The rightwingnuts have been doing it to us for years

Why is it so wrong to give them back what they have dished out for so long? Geesus,man....get a grip on reality.

[buff2]

113. I'll bet you are a closet Ann Coulter fan

She never shouts or talks over people and she is such a LADY. Too bad our side isn't more like her.:eyes:

[keta11]

114. Do you think before typing? Did I mention Ann Coulter

anywhere?

[buff2]

115. That's my point.

You are bashing OUR side. Thank God SOMEONE is standing up to those liars.

[AllieB]

8. She beat the Republicans at their own game. They are usually the ones

yelling. I hate to tell you but politeness has gotten the Dems nowhere. Randi showed some spine.

I thought she was GREAT, especially when she asked the little dweeb why he wasn't in Iraq.

[VolcanoJen]

15. Amen!

Loved when she asked that chipmunk-faced keyboard kommando why he wasn't serving his country. Loved that she told him that when she was 24, she enlisted and served her country; what's your excuse, she asked him.

It is time to stop playing nicey-nice with Republicans. It's gotten us nowhere. It's time to stand up to them and shout down their lies. I admired Randi and Ed Schultz yesterday, and I'm proud that they represent "the reality-based community" so eloquently.

[AllieB]

21. I wanted to email the little chickenhawk coward some enlistment papers

but of course, he doesn't have an email address on his website. :eyes:

[Change has come]

97. LOL That was so funny!

She was finally able to shut up Johnny Goodhair. The only reason she was talking over those two idiots was because they were LYING.

[AuntPatsy]

9. I beg to disagree, I assume we must have not watched the

same program, the host did his utmost best to ensure those watching that he was not on Randi's side at all, she was brilliant and this was the first time that I had ever watched or heard her..

Where have you been these last several years? When this party and those aligned with this party's core values have been virtually ignored and or made fun of?

Enough is enough, anger is emitting from every clear thinking American at how those clones of this adminstration have been upstaging any and all who are trying to expose this adminstrations clear criminal activities and the very real loss of the very freedom that we are supposedly fighting for at this very moment.

If you ask me, she was NOT angry enough and did NOT get enough air time to voice the truth over all the spinning that little weasel attempted to spout on national tv..

All I kept hearing from the host is "help me" help him from what? The truth?

[glarius]

10. I disagree...for the first time a liberal TALKED UP and didn't let the

right wing panelist do all the talking!...I was so glad to see her talk over the top of the ones who usually talk over the top of everyone else. And I didn't think she came across as boorish, either.

[flyarm]

11. quite the contrary i believe...in her early appearances i complained

she was too polite and never got a word in with the asshats from the right...i think she now has it right...in fact perfect..the little fuckers now have to try to speak over her instead of her sitting there polite and barely getting a word in...

i think all the polite shit is out the door now..the right has had the distinction of speaking over anyone on the left side..for 5 years now..i say now..bring it on...its about time the left got their side heard..its about time we get mad as hell and not let the right take over each interview..fuck them..now they are getting a taste of their own medicine!

that little dick head needed someone talking over him..i was spitting nickles listening to that little fucking brown shirt who is too cowardly to put his boots on the ground but is going to tell anyone in my generation or any other generation how wonderful bush was to start a war of fucking lies..when he is sitting in his brownshirt in a studio..fuck that little prick ..i would have been pissed if anyone on the left let that little dick make his nonsence points!

and RANDI was 100% right ..if that little prick wants to talk ..let him get his ass over to iraq..and now! fuck these little assholes who are the rights talking heads who never wore the uniform of this country..they are little asshole cowards..and have the voices of cowards!

fly

[acmejack]

33. Why that does sum up my feeling nicely.

That little turd needs to be supporting the pResident in a more concrete manner, front and center. Perhaps Josh Bolten can even be persuaded to make a * photo op out of his enlistment ceremony.

[Goat or Panic]

12. Mixed Emotions

Randi called the two rightwingers on their lies the second they spoke them, not letting the lies sink in. This really seems to be the only way to get the word out sometimes. It's a shame that yelling seems to be the only way inject some truth into the dialog, but Randi (and Big Ed) really managed to fluster the RW hacks.

"What's your phone number Dennis?"

[AuntPatsy]

16. That was great wasn't it? If he was so uncaring about his

personal information being known so well know why didn't he give her his phone number?

[Gabi Hayes]

18. yeah, that was one of the highlights

it's unfortunate, but that's the way the game is played, and if they just sat back "politely," flannelmouth cretins like Hannity/Carlson/Coulter, etal, wouldn't give THEM the chance to talk.

it's very gratifying to see those aholes get a dose of their own medicine, especially that little coward who talks big but thinks a Yankee uniform is the same thing as a Navy Seal's

[AuntPatsy]

24. The little snot was furious, he radiated from his anger that

probably for the first time in a long while, he was actually being called on for his need to spread disinformation to whomever listens to him.

And though others disagree, I don't believe the host was on the side of truth, he seemed scared that the Randi and Ed were disputing all this kid said.

[Gabi Hayes]

77. I heard that asshole Roberts talking on The Situation Room the other day..

...about how he was listening to a conservative radio show. the context in which he said it was unintentionally revealing, in that I got the impression that he let it slip out, and that he was a regular listener

wait a minute for media matters on Roberts.

[dmr4567]

35. She didn't let the lies sink in

I didn't think about that I applaud you and your insight "she didn't let the lies sink in" God your right
wow she did a great job I'm not crazy about the shouting of the talking heads but I've been listening to it for years now from the so called right and I loved it when she put both those guys in there place with whats your number and you should be in Iraq comments put up or shut up GO RANDI

[Goat or Panic]

59. Randi Talking points

Also notice the difference between our talking points and theirs:

"The NSA is not to spy on Americans"
"Get a damn warrant."
"It's illegal"

and theirs:

"9/11"
"9/11"
"9/11"

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. "What's your phone number Dennis?"...YES! That shut his big fat lying

mouth, didn't it? He looked like a total and complete FOOL when she asked him that. He was speechless, which is really something for Dennis Prager.

[Gabi Hayes]

14. transcript....with all the talking over, should be interesting to see how

they did it

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0605/12/lkl.01.html

[Skidmore]

19. I think it's really great that we have one spokesperson on the left who

will not be shouted down by the RW screamers. Randi gets HEARD. That's what is important. The problem with the left is that we have played nice and polite for too long, and have gotten stomped in the process. If Randi and Malloy can be heard over the clamour then we will be able to move forward. Keep shouting for us, Randi.

[Justice Is Comin]

20. It's on point.

People that are watching that program are of every political variety. There are many in the Repubican choir who, for the first time since 04 are more than open to being won over.

Someone they perceive as a bull in a China shop is not going to get that done. She was perfect intermittently and that was when she was concise and gave stinging questions to the mokes. "What is your phone number? Why aren't you in Iraq?"

When she refused to stop talking, she came off just like a Rush Limbaugh. She doesn't need to convince any Democrats. She needs to win the independents and pukes who unbelievably we have a chance at. She's going to send them the other way.

Ed was perfect and he landed haymaker blows. But he didn't hog the show. I'm telling you, she was perceived by many as obnoxious and they will tune her out.

[AuntPatsy]

25. She did NOT hog the show, look at the transcript, if anyone

got more speaking time it was that little nazi looking weasel, I can't believe anyone did not observe the actually commentary for what it was.

[Justice Is Comin]

38. I'm not the enemy here.

She doesn't have to convince me. Does she have to convince you? I didn't think so.

I'm trying to be the voice of reason. She was shouting over people constantly, and even when her face was not on screen you could her voice in the background.

You would be shouting at the TV if that was a Republican. There is no way you can convince me otherwise.

You have to see this through the eyes of people who are not a member of her fan club. They have to be impressed with the information and the package it's delivered in. You have to make the points without alienating who you're trying to win over.

If you shout at them and insult the people they WERE following, you have a victory for your fans. But it don't mean shit.

[AuntPatsy]

45. Listening to her was a first for me seriously, to be honest,

in my opinion she did NOT get enough air time, especially considering the garbage we have had to listen to from the other side for far far far too long.

She was not shouting, I know shouting she was talking loud and in this instance she had to, did you not watch the same program that I did? And as far as shouting when a republican acted like that, are you kidding me? when do they not?

Time for being nice is long past, it didn't get us anywhere in the past, and just so you understand, not only the dems and liberals are angry at the injustices coming from the hill, I have no doubt they listened intently, the ones who were once firmly in the wrong camp.

She was great, I would love to see more and am not guite a fan.

[Justice Is Comin]

69. I'm furious

when a Republican does it. That gives me the justification I need to point it out here when our reps do it.

It's laughable. Win the battle, lose the war. What have you gained?

I say again, Ed got many points across and I don't think he alienated anybody.

If she generates enough hate mail to the station from the other side, they are going to consider her too much of a lightning rod to bring on. I'm on the same page with everything she said. She don't have to convince me about any of it.

Others are on the 50 yard line.

Be careful what you wish for.

[AuntPatsy]

71. Sorry, she did not alienate me and watching her was a first for me.

If more would stand up as she did and get actually air time to do it, we might NOT be in this mess we are now, its NOT time to sit up and act as if we are sitting at some tea party and playing nice..

I am plenty careful of what I wish for these days, I am no infant, the voice of truth being used against power cannot be silenced any longer, and who doesn't generate hate mail these days?

She did what millions of Americans wish they had the chance to do - "Speak the truth to Lies"

[Justice Is Comin]

81. Enjoyed the dialogue

with you. Without one insult being tossed. We must be Democrats huh?

Let's just hope votes are being won and not lost. We're going to need em.

[AuntPatsy]

111. Your right, sometimes I do cross the line, let me know when I

do, we should always be able to communicate our disagreements without actually attacking in childish name calling, I have been guilty of that in the past, I do believe that at this point, we do need to talk over the nonsense coming from the self"right"eous ones but we don't need to actually get down and dirty, its not what I taught my kids so I shouldn't do it either.

[buff2]

105. Yeah.........all the repukes and independants

will break their necks getting to the polls to vote for the Dems because they keep their mouths shut and don't speak up. It's worked every election so far,eh? :sarcasm:

[movonne]

27. Bushshit!!!

[LiberalPartisan]

23. Who was that peach-fuzzed faced CHILD?

The sacrificial lamb sent to the slaughter? He was utterly pathetic in his defense of Bush. The worst yet.

[keta11]

26. I know now how HOMER IS HOMER!!

[stepnw1f]

28. That's Not What Others Have Told Me

I know she does this a bit, but considering how she is always outnumbered. I have no problem with it. Why do you again?

[keta11]

32. Given that I agree with most of what she says I was

just ashamed for her presentation and behavior on TV - leaning into the camera, talking over people, speaking when someone else was called on, shouting when no other person was, etc etc

[stepnw1f]

34. whatever

there is a war going on.... you want polite? You sure you're not a republican?

[keta11]

39. What does my party affiliation have to do with it?

I am surprised at the blindness I see on here.

[stepnw1f]

41. You Just seem a Bit Too Critical

of Randi, even after people stated good reasons for her behavior. I could definately imagine a Bush bot regurgitating such a smear.

[40ozDonkey]

68. I don't blame you.

I can't blame you for not understanding the cantservative mentality, sane people shouldn't have to. However, they give millions of dollars in book deals and air time to people who are NOT eloquent and polite, but are raving, chest puffing, spittle spewing asses.

Look at the rightwing attack books in comparison to the left. They all have titles like Treason, Why the Left Hates America, Shut Up and Sing, Dereliction of Duty, Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder... go ahead and listen to Michael Savage for a few hours, tell me if he sounds polite and affable to you.

The reason Randi got on your nerves is because you are a liberal. You take politics seriously, not as bloodsport, you realize the value of ALL Americans, not just the ones that agree with you. Conservatives don't make that nuance, to them, whoever makes the loudest point has the strongest argument. She wasn't honestly speaking to you, she knows you know the left's position and respect it, she's talking to the 29% of idiots who still think it's a good idea to bankrupt this country so long as a republican is at the helm.

And I hate to say it, but you can't talk to those people, because they don't want you to talk to them. They respect force and the will to project it, and if you're a talk show host, that's the game you have to play.

I wish it could all be NPR, but conservatives want to be treated like the children they are. That kind of programming is not for liberals in general, but it's still more valuable then watching wrassling or Fox "news".

[AllieB]

42. Because she wasn't lady-like?

:eyes:

And you say your from New York? Randi is a NY chick.

[keta11]

53. I say I am from NY??!!!

Have you ever been to NY? How many NYers do you know?

[Puglover]

56. I know ALOT of NYers. And been there over 100+ times.

And most are lovable, brash and outspoken like Randi. "Properness" is hardly a trait that is thought of when speaking of people from NYC.

On edit, there is this really cool invention. It's called the "remote". I use it all the time. And on the remote is an "off" button or a "channel up" or "channel down" button. When I don't like what I'm watching I use all three liberally. You should try it.

[keta11]

58. Keep believing the myth!! n/t

[Puglover]

60. Sorry the "myth" is? n/t

[keta11]

67. All NYers are rude and aggressive

[Puglover]

70. Carefully reading my post I'm not seeing

the words "rude" or "aggressive" anywhere. Am I missing something?

[LiberalPartisan]

100. You want to meet some of the most helpful people in the world?

Meet real New Yorkers. I've lived all over the place and New Yorkers are some of the most generous and givng people you'll ever want to meet - if you only take 30 seconds time to get past their rough exterior.

Now - if you want to meet disingenuous and fake people, spend some time with Southerners.

[keta11]

62. I borrowed it from another site that I read from every now and then

As much I would love to take credit for inventing it

[Puglover]

64. But but...what does it mean? n/t

[keta11]

80. What does what mean?

I am a republican because I dont find Randi Rhodes boorish behavior appealing?

[Puglover]

86. Either you are projecting or you're not reading this thread correctly.

I asked "what does that mean?" because you posted a sentence with no subject and no explanation. "Believe the myth." How am I supposed to know what fucking myth you're talking about? Do you always read crap in posts that isn't there? This is the second time you've done it on this thread.

[ariesgem]

63. That's right

I'm from NY (now living in L.A.). Most New Yorkers wear those traits like a badge of honor.

[Puglover]

66. You got it ariesgem

All those qualities are what I love most about NYers. I live in Minnesota where we're all "nice".

:rofl:

[flyarm]

65. i am from nj and i would have chewed that little prick up

a long time ago...i would have chewed him up and spit out his brown shirt a very long time ago...i want to rip his cowardly little face off..thats how i feel about him...who the fuck is he?? and what has he ever done for this country other than cover for the sob in this white house that put my country into a war of lies..

and killed real brave soldiers..and wounded for life real brave soldiers who were sent to a war based on nothing but * lies and little pricks like that brownshirts lies..fuck that little asshole..Randi was brilliant..and its about damn time these little assholes are spit on with a dose of real truth..and that they are exposed as nothing but coward blow hards!


i say more..we need more of everyone on the left holding these liars to task..and if it means yelling over them.. so be it!

they have had no problem yelling over anyone with their filthy lies and corruption and crimes for 5 years now..it is time to take off the gloves..and pronto..before we have nothing in this country left to fight for!

tell all those lying filthy pricks to get their asses over to iraq..they support this shit ..with only their fucking lies and bullshit..so they want idiot sons war and lies..well let them go fight it or shut the fuck up!

fly

[AllieB]

104. Us Northeasterners are so demure, aren't we?

:D

[AllieB]

103. I lived in NY

I worked in NY. My family is from Brooklyn. I'm in the Boston area, which is very close to NY.

But that has nothing to do with my question: was it because she wasn't lady-like?

[RagAss]

44. Kids are dying in Iraq....Fuck Polite !, these murderers need the

truth shoved up their asses.....Great Job Randi !!!!!

[AuntPatsy]

48. You obviously did not watch the same program I did?

[Puglover]

30. Oh Christ on a crutch...

another Randi Rhodes sucks thread. Seriously Janet Parshall might be more your speed. She's VERY proper and polite. Give her a try.

:eyes:

[Individualist]

79. Those comments

by the OP sound like DLC talking points to me. They get their panties in a wad every time anyone goes after the neocons.

[bbgrunt]

31. I nearly rolled on the floor laughing when

the moderator said something like "we have been trying to get Randi involved, but it hasn't worked so far...." By the end of the hour he was visibly sweating.

Good for her. She remained calm and measured, but just loud and wouldn't let them get by with anything.

I agree that the niceities are over and it is time for the left to have at it. Frankly I have been surprised that the media have begun to host people on the real left since they are so good at finding weak dems who always cave. I just hope this doesn't get her booted from the guest lists for being too strong.

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. The guest host (can't rmember his name) seemed to really like Randi.

He gave her a few little friendly jabs, but IMCPO he REALLY liked her. :) I hope that's what I was seeing. He was ALWAYS smiling when she spoke.

[AuntPatsy]

50. he seemed scared to me that perhaps he was going to be in

trouble for allowing her to speak at all, I have to wonder why?

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. Interrupting and being RUDE is the repuke's modus ope *ahem* randi!

Randi just took a page out of their book. THAT is what they have always done. It was part of Newt's "list of words and actions" to be used on Dems....INTERRUPT, INTERRUPT, INTERRUPT AND NEVER LET A DEMOCRAT COMPLETE A SENTENCE. BREAK THEIR CHAIN OF THOUGHT.

I thought Randi KICKED SOME MAJOR RW ASS LAST NIGHT! Who better than Dennis Prager????:thumbsup: to Randi!

[genieroze]

37. It's about time, we need more like her. I wish all of our congresscritters

showed more cojones. When I say our, I mean Dem's, the pukes already have them. Time to take our cojones back in November.

[Raksha]

49. Personally, I LOVED Randi's "boorish behavior"!

For years I've been watching conservatives shout down liberals on talk shows. It was so refreshing to see the tables turned for once.

[Mr_Spock]

51. It's in her nature - she CANNOT help herself

It's her biggest downfall - if you can get used to this she's still a good person to have on your side.

I so want to press the "yes" button on your dialog box. :rofl:

[keta11]

57. We may not have long to wait to click through those babies!

[Mr_Spock]

72. Buh-Bye Turd Blossom!!

It can't come soon enough for me.

[SoCalDem]

52. Randi was only using republican tactics.. "eat the airtime"

She was abrasive, BUT she at least did not sit there like Donna Brazile, nodding and smiling..

The repubes usually take over the air time and interrupt, so their message is what's heard.. As much as we hate to see one of ours do it, it's kind of necessary ..

[Warren Stupidity]

85. Exactly.

I am amazed that people here still think that we ought to have polite debates. It doesn't work. The other side stopped playing by the rules a long time ago. Had Randi politely waited for her turn to speak she would have gotten near zero airtime and she would have been interrupted 12 times while she attempted to make her points. She recognized an attempt at running out the clock and responded correctly. Good for her.

[SoCalDem]

91. And she kept saying "You're LYING"... and "YOU go to Iraq"

and called him "young man"..like the petulant child-bot he was :rofl:

She needs to replace that scraggly old has-been...Imus :)

I would tune in to watch :) I have not watched Imus in YEARS..and I suspect that most people don't either

[AuntPatsy]

112. I do like hearing that" Your lying" when it is obvious they are doing

just that, if more voices of the dems would state facts like she did last night, we honestly wouldn't be so far gone I think. Amazing to me that it was aired twice no less.

[gulliver]

54. Randi is really hitting her stride.

She did a good job on CNN. The two Republicans were spouting nonsense and she smacked them down.

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. She called them on each and every lie they told! They aren't use to that.

I was so PROUD OF HER!

[AuntPatsy]

73. I am surprised that any Dur would find fault with Randi's dialouge

and to be honest I would seriously question any of them that do to be on our side.

[Warren Stupidity]

74. Say WHAT?

Where have you been hiding for the last 10 years? One of the key rethuglican debate strategies is to talk out the clock. They practice yammering through the entire soundbyte so that only they get heard. Randi did exactly what she had to do: she kept right up with the pre-programmed bushboibot - she didn't yield an inch. Had she stopped talking the boibot would have yammered until the segment ended. GET A CLUE.

"I certainly am on her side and agree with her most but was completely turned off by her boorish behavior." How one sided of you. Was she unladylike too?

[AllieB]

109. I asked the unladylike question too

there's nothing like dredging up latent misogyny, fear of strong women, etc.

[AnnInLa]

76. I love her, but also had to switch channels

because I was too uncomfortable. She will become a stereotype for the "angry left," even tho everything she said was true. If she becomes this stereotype, interested people will automatically tune her out, and that damages her message. How can the RW types show how stupid they are if she doesn't give them a chance to demonstrate it? It may be wrong, but some politically-ignorant types associate the message with the messenger, damaging the message. Just sayin'

[Warren Stupidity]

78. Did you notice that her opponent was doing the same thing?

I am flabbergasted by the fact that the complainers here appear to not have noticed that Randi and the boibot were both going at it. Somehow Randi was talking over boibot but boibot was not talking over Randi. Hmmmmm.... why is that? What's your explanation for the way you perceived that event?

[AnnInLa]

95. It doesn't matter how I perceived that event

I accept most everything Randi says....it matters how other, more neutral types perceived it. She involunarily damages her own message. I have watched her on Lou Dobbs, and was SO impressed with how she got her message out on those occasions. I was not impressed by the appearance on King. I'ts not that I was not impressed by her arguments, I was, but I really want others, who are not as politically aware as I am, to grant her credibility, and listen to her...not to automatically tune her out as being too shrill and overwrought.

[Warren Stupidity]

96. And again - two people were talking over each other

and Randi, on an examination of that segment, was the one who was interrupted. Yet she is 'shrill and overwrought'. What was her opponent? Why is it that whenever women stand up like this they are 'shrill and overwrought'. Is Bill O'Reilly shrill and overwrought? Hannity? Scarborough? Any of them? They all do this.

Had she let him interrupt her she would not have gotten a chance to speak. Haven't you watched these clowns in action? This is their tactic, she refused to let them get away with it.

[AnnInLa]

110. After the host asked her to be quiet,

she should have done so. Your characterization of 2 people trying to talk over each other is not correct. He may have interrupted her in the beginning, but she continued to interrupt him repeatedly....and her voice got louder and louder and more and more aggressive. I don't like others who debate like this either, O'Rielly, Scarborough, etc. Why should she emulate them? They turn me off of their message with this style, and she turned me off last night. If she turned me off (an admirer), how many others did she turn off and tune out?

I rarely get so uncomfortable that I have to switch channels....I did last night though.

[40ozDonkey]

82. Correction...

If she becomes this stereotype, interested people liberals will automatically tune her out, and that damages her message.

Fixed that for ya.
If being polite and amicable was a trait conservatives respected, Michael Savage's biggest philosophical conundrum would be whether or not you'd like fries with that.

[AnnInLa]

90. No, actually, I meant "interested non-political people"

I didn't mean to say "liberals." Liberals accept Randi's message, and also accept her personality.

[40ozDonkey]

107. Interested non political people?

Interested non political people watching four talk show hosts go at it on CNN six months before a minor election cycle on a Friday night?
OK, I see your point, Randi probably turned those people off. All six of them.

This kind of rolling over to look like the adults in the room is the morally right way to do things, but gets us nowhere. In fact, it plays to the conservative lie machine.
It's exactly what cost John Kerry the election, military minded conservatives (that's most of them) paid attention to how John Kerry was going to handle the swift boat attacks. He did exactly what most liberals wanted him to do - not dignify the attacks with an answer. Be the adult.
In reward for his maturity, conservatives & "undecideds" thought that because he won't counter attack for his image & campaign, he wouldn't counter attack for America either. Most analyses shows that this was the turning point that cost him the election.

Independant non political people are going to tune into high profile media events to see where the ideology lies, and if it represents them. This was not a high profile media event, this was a made-for-TV circus sideshow (like most political TV and talk shows) and every one of those people you saw actually went to a training seminar to learn how to fight for their point. It's self-defeating to ask people who work in that environment to stand for a code of chivalry that's not reciprocated or respected.

Even worse, liberals are constantly painted by the smear machine as limpwristed effetes who won't fight for their own ideology, much less America. Randi countered that by fighting back against the bullies. Look to national televised debates by party representatives for polite, mature dialogue. If you want that out of your TV and radio shows, you're going to have to time travel to pre-1984, before Lee Atwater taught his sheep the power of "spin".

[alfredo]

83. Video

http://crooksandliars.com/

[keta11]

84. Thank you very much

Let Homers continue to be homers

On edit, hopefully its not only a clip but the whole show.

[Warren Stupidity]

87. You know I just relistened to that segment.

Boibot interrupted Randi and she wouldn't let him take her time. While Randi is starting her response - she is the only person talking, at between 03-04 seconds into the clip wham in comes boibot interrupting her. He is going to runout the clock at this point with his prepared tallking points. Who is interrupting whom? Why aren't you all over the rude behavior of rethuglican clones? Shouldn't boibot have politely waited for Randi to finished speaking before so rudely interrupting?

[alfredo]

99. It's just a clip.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

88. I don't care for this "style" either, but I see Randi as doing a necessary

but regrettable thing in adopting it.

When we reach a point in this country where RWers no longer have a blanket entitlement to talk over and shout down their liberal opponents (this includes the Rushbos, Hannities, O'Liellys and most of the folks who listen to them), then perhaps the "Randi Rhodes" style will no longer be useful or desireable.

We are far from such a time.

[redherring]

89. I didn't feel that way. I actually enjoyed her bitchslapping

the two republican guests. I laughed out loud when she shouted them down. That's how you bitshlap em. I mean they do the same thing as well. Have you ever watched Hannity and Colmes?

[maveric]

92. The Left tried to be the calm and composed and they walked all over us.

Randi is doing what people like Donna Brazile, Paul Begala and other "progressive" pundits failed to do over the past 10 years. EXPOSE THEIR BULLSHIT AND ANGRILY CALL THEM OUT ON IT! No more "nice nice".

We/she needs to be heard in this world of watered down and censored media.

You cant go to a gunfight with a knife. Randi did great at calling those RW bobbleheads on their bullshit and not letting the discourse roll over to another issue before calling them out and exposing them to look like the bullshitting, foolish liars that they are. She banged it home! And I'm very proud of her.

The media is cooked and WE NEED to scream out the truth about how this country has been hijacked, and to expose their lies.

[TreasonousBastard]

93. I gotta agree-- she made great points...

and even hit the little pishiger with why HE wasn't fighting in the war he loved so much.

But, she never shut up. And while WE might think the "Look, young man..." stuff was a hoot, we're not the ones who should listen to her.

I know she was worried that some of her points might not get through if she just waited her turn, but, dammit, I doubt half the viewers even heard her points with all the shouting going on.

Part of the blame goes to Roberts, who did a fair job of refereeing that streetfight but should have cut the mikes. But, even on her own show she talks over her callers and yells at some who agree with her. If it bugs some of us, what do you think it does to the fencesitters who might listen if she weren't such a yenta?

It's really too bad, because she was spot on last night and wiped the floor with those other two assholes.

If anyone heard it.

[shance]

94. Are you all paid Keta to post this "Randi overdid it" threads?

Because you know she was right. She was honest.

And she punted little rich white fratboy through the field posts.

[Warren Stupidity]

98. OK I declare this sexist nonsense.

Men who debate like this are strong and forceful. Women are shrill and overwrought. Cripes. The boibot interrupted her. This is what they do: interrupt and yammer out the clock. She refused to let them have their way so she is 'shrill and overwrought'. Ach. Democrats are always first to find fault with our own in our glorious suicidal circle jerk of righteousness.

[AllieB]

116. Thank you, Warren. That's my belief too.

I wish I had Randi's debating skills. The OP would probably approve of my offline behavior, because I'm generally quiet and "lady-like". I only WISH I could be more like Randi.

[B Calm]

108. When right-wingers openly lie about everything, it's hard not to scream!

[Tactical Progressive]

117. They are unrelenting liars

who think that their lies deserve to be heard above everbody else's truth.

They wouldn't stop last night. 'Bush informed Congress.' What BS. Lahey held up the USA Today to show how they found out! They still won't inform Congress of anything even after they've already been caught. They're not telling and you can't make them.

'We're fighting terrorists in Iraq' No, we're fighting Iraqi citizens in the midst of a burgeoning civil war.

And on and on and on.

They tell lies like they have every right to say whatever they want and have it be held in as much esteem as anybody elses truth; more even, which is why they always talk over everybody else. Their idea of debate: Repub talks for a minute and a half, then Dem gets to talk for ten seconds before Repub interrupts at the first thing he objects to, which is usually the truth that they don't want to hear or want anyone else to hear.

Both Randi and Ed at points in the show had to say 'I'm tired of trying to yell over these guys interruptions.' and 'I'm going to talk for 30 seconds now. 30 seconds.'

Randi didn't take that shit and started playing their game. Talk-talk-talk, then when they talk interrupt them at the first word they disagree with, which happened to be really blatant lies last night.

It devolved into an almost childish yelling match, which is too bad, but it's better than them being childish and dishonest and Dems just taking it. The fact that it turned into what it did showed what right-winger talkers are really like when both sides behave their way.

Not all Repubs lie continually and talk over people whenever they feel like it. But many if not most do exactly that. It's the way they're wired, and you know that even from personal conversations. Randi is the talkover version from our side, but at least she's telling the truth.

[SeattleGirl]

118. They were all talking over each other, so why are you singling out

Randi? Yes, she did it a bit more than the others, but I really wonder if you would have brought this up if one of the males on the panel had done what Randi did. I could be wrong here, and if I am, I apologize, but I saw several other comments like this yesterday, and it really makes me wonder if people noticed primarily because Randi is a woman, and women "aren't supposed to" do what she did.

Basically, I don't like the shouting matches either, but I watched the program both times it aired yesterday. Randi is "mad as hell," and she is not going to take it anymore. And if that means shouting down the delusional asshats like the two conservatives on the panel, then so be it. Our voices have gone unheard, and been dismissed for so long. No more. Shout on, Randi. Shout on, until those who would dismiss you and those of us who feel like you do, shut up long enough that we don't HAVE to keep shouting.

[keta11]

121. Why would you think I brought this up because

of gender? I just dont understand this! What does her gender have to do with what I am saying. Randi was the only one shouting on that show. Ed Schultz was calm, cool and collected. The RW guys even though they were lying when they opened their mouths were not shouting and trying to monopolize the discussion.

I would be turned even if it was a man. A couple of months ago I saw a rightwing radio guy Williams I think his name is (out of California) make a fool of himself on MSNBC with a "know-it all, talk over everybody including the host" presentation and I joined everyone on here condemning him.

I dont undestand your accusation.

[AnnInLa]

120. It depends on what you wanted/expected Randi to do

Did you want Randi to be the "in your face" Randi? Did you want her to talk-over the repuke and yell at him like they have been doing to us for years? Did you want to score on the repuke guests by her not letting them talk? Did you want to prove that all Dem guests are not pussies?

Or

Did you want Randi to get her/our message out? Did you want people to actually hear and think about what she was saying?

You couldn't have both last night.

And, to the argument that, "that's just the way she is, get over it," well, I have seen her be calm and reasonable and logical on the Dobbs show, so I know that she can be a good messenger when she wants to be.

I want Randi to be a frequent guest on TV, but I don't want her to become a left-wing "oddity" or "eccentric." I want more for her than that. I want more for us than that.