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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:51 AM
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Making the Iran Thing Legal-Like
Edited on Wed May-17-06 12:20 PM by bigtree
Iran is in a confusing state of arrest, even as the sovereign nation seeks redress for the American president's verbal assault against their country and government, and for the Bush regime's phony attempts to sanction them for continuing to process uranium. The European nations have stalled the U.S. march to the security council. There Bush is angling for a resolution which would place Iran at risk of devastating economic sanctions and military strikes if they refused to comply with provisions mandating an end to their nuclear program.

Iran rejected the latest offer by Europe, who would gift them a light-water nuclear reactor in exchange for the halting of their production of uranium. It would have been of no consequence if Iran had accepted the offer as the U.S. immediately rejected it out of hand.

"They say they want to give us incentives," Ahmadinejad said of the offer. "They think they can take away our gold and give us some nuts and chocolate in exchange."

Although the U.S. is supposed to have no more influence in the international body than the other members, it's clear that the present activity against Iran is being driven by the Bush regime; hawked at high level by Bush and Cheney, and prosecuted by Rice and Bolton at the State Dept.

The rest of the international community must feel conflicted as they recall the past confidence game played out in 2003 against Iraq, where the U.S. sidestepped the U.N. security council in their haste to invade the sovereign nation. The head of the U.N., Annan, initially called the invasion 'illegal', only to later lead the body to officially recognize and bless the interim puppet authority and the rest of the Bush regime's manipulations, making the takeover of Iraq permanent and 'legal'.

The U.S. expects to do the same to Iran. Their military plan, reported yesterday, calls for five days of bombing against as many as 400 targets in Iran. At least 75 underground targets would be attacked with bunker-busters - nuclear bunker-busters, if Seymour Hersch is correct. Self-described 'democracy czar' Elizabeth Cheney is ready to fly in a compliant sampling of Iranian exiles to assume power after they chase Mahmoud Ahmadinejad into his own hidey-hole.

The Bush regime wants this next preemptive assault to be legal-like. A military assault on Iran at this point can't be called 'legal'. There is no law the Bush regime has at their disposal that they can use to find Iran guilty of, or an accomplice to, anything illegal. The IAEA, the U.N. nuclear watchdog organization which is currently mulling over whether to send the U.S. complaint on to the security council, hasn't found any evidence at all of any ambition by Iran to transform it's uranium production from their stated peaceful purpose of energy production to making weapons.

The IAEA doesn't have any mechanisms for punishment, much to the consternation of the Bush regime. U.S. envoy Bolton tried earlier (in vain) to get an agreement making the IAEA's mandates legally binding. It's no wonder that the international community has pulled back, at least temporarily, from allowing themselves to be used by the U.S., once again, as pretext and cover for another illegal war.

The European members who must ultimately decide Iran's fate have not shied away from their own quiet saber-rattling at the end of every proposal they make, but they are not insensitive to the punitive effect of any proposed sanctions. There will undoubtedly be a disruption of the flow of oil, to and from Iran. Partnerships and multi-billion dollar deals with countries like Russia, China, Japan, and others who are economically dependent on trade with Iran, will suffer and possibly evaporate.

Aside from the economic concerns, there is another daunting consequence if the U.N. security council does decide to act against Iran. Such an action could open the question again of the U.N.'s refusal to collectively move against North Korea in 2003 when they withdrew from the NPT. Russia and China then, as they are likely to do now, opposed sanctions against North Korea after the IAEA referred them to the security council.

Unfortunately, Bush intends to sidestep the U.N. no matter what they decide. Bolton and Rice have already said that they will seek action "outside of the U.N" if they don't get their way. It must be an amazing thing for other nations to deal with that pair: Bolton the U.N. hater who denied it's existence until he was forced upon the body by Bush's recess appointment, and Rice the warmonger who taunted and bullied the other nations of the world into willing war in her former job as Bush's gal-Friday; now as secretary of state she straddles the globe, looking to get our country's usual cohorts' jingoistic juices flowing again for conquest in Iran.

There are, in my view, two very important, unanswered questions which must be addressed before any move is made to sanction or punish Iran.

First there is the question of law. Although it may be legitimate for the IAEA to find Iran in violation of agreements made under the NPT, it would be a curious thing for the security council to then consider a resolution sanctioning Iran for nuclear violations, when the entire affair is sponsored and initiated by the U.S. who has flaunted the NPT in their pursuit of new nuclear weapons with new justifications for their use. (It should not be lost on that international body that the next-generation nuclear bunker-buster weapons contemplated by the Bush regime are just the weapons the military says they want to drop seventy-five of into holes in the Iranian ground.)

Remember, no one, not the U.S. nor the U.N, has been able to prove that Iran intends its nuclear program to be for anything other than peaceful, energy production as they claim; despite the envoy Bolton's continual references to 'Iran's nuclear weapons program'. What Iran is being asked to do is to prove that the accusations of their U.S. nemesis and his purchased cabal are not true. That is not law in any sense that we could call it just, or even democratic. It's legal-like. Just enough for Bush to claim a mandate for more conquering, more colonialism.

The next question is one of Iran's right to engage in activities which are clearly lawful; real law, not purchased votes from a fractured body of international actors. Not legalisms made up by a man who regards himself above following our own country's laws by virtue of a resolution authorizing war on those responsible for flying planes into the World Trade Center buildings. War makes Iran's principle accuser here in the U.S. feel omnipotent. Will Iran be protected from U.S. aggression which has been unrestrained without cause in the form of threats and plans for war.

That's the most important question for the other countries who have become willing accomplices to Bush's tyranny and are considering joining this coalition of the coerced. If they capitulate, will they usher in an era of unbridled expansionism? Russia and China are certain to follow Bush's example with their own imperialistic designs.

If the other nations don't capitulate, and they defy America's reckless ambitions, what have they done to prevent their country from becoming the next target of the Bush regime's imperious ire?



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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 12:26 PM
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1. final and link
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 12:51 PM
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2. hey folks
Edited on Wed May-17-06 01:06 PM by bigtree
:hi:

thanks for the rec! How bout a kick? Or two?
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 01:12 PM
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3. Too many big words
me no read so long. make head hurt.

:silly:

This is a well-written, interesting piece. It amazes me how many people truly believe that this isn't just another well-scripted phase of PNACs plans being implemented.

I would recommend posting it in Editorials forum where people are looking to read good stuff likethis.

Kick and Rec'd!!

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 01:52 PM
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6. the PNAC pod released swarms of military industrial warriors
Edited on Wed May-17-06 02:31 PM by bigtree
infecting our government in and out of the WH. There's no trick now in raping the Treasury for their militaristic schemes with the compliant Congress still too afraid to stand up to the fear mongering right-wing.

I'd say it's 'mission accomplished' for that bunch. They're just sloughing off of the pyramid, fueling the conflicts, fanning the flames of fear, and reaping the rewards.

thanks for reading! :hi:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:38 PM
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17. Hey there meganmonkey! Fight'n to the death!
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 01:14 PM
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4. Iran is my Cause Du Jour
and of the utmost importance so I'll give you not only a kick, but a Recommend too!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 02:48 PM
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8. trying to draw a line
no more wars!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 01:24 PM
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5. Good work
K&R
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:06 PM
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14. covert kick
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 02:22 PM
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7. EU : No offer made yet, no rejection
The European Union will continue preparing an offer to persuade Iran to curb its nuclear ambitions despite an early rejection by the Islamic republic's president, an EU official said Wednesday.

"There can't be any rejection if no offer has been made," the spokeswoman for EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana told AFP. "It's better not to make too much of these remarks coming out of Tehran."


Iran's hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday ridiculed the EU plan, which could include a light-water nuclear reactor if Tehran agrees to allow enrichment work to be done abroad, possibly in Russia.

EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana's spokeswoman, Cristina Gallach, said the remarks would not stop the Union preparing "a package that will be very substantial and audacious, and which should satisfy Iranian needs for nuclear energy, for peaceful purposes."

http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/060517162555.2cc9tg21
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:48 PM
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9. bip
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:53 PM
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10. excellent post!
I am sure the congress people are working on much more important matters like Gay marriage, immigration and steroids! WTF????
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 04:39 PM
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12. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee is holding two hearings this week
testimony today on:
Iran’s Political/Nuclear Ambitions and U.S. Policy Options

the SFRC site had a live webcast of this hearing at this link at 9:30 on Wed, May 17th: http://foreign.senate.gov/index.html

thanks to TayTay- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1210093
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 04:14 PM
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11. This is one of those "meaty" posts that sinks too fast
and I can't in good conscience let that happen.....

kickety-kick-kick-kick.....
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 05:26 PM
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13. :+)
:hi:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:33 PM
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15. The WH and PNAC and WINEP are *making* the UN obsolete by bypassing it.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:36 PM
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16. Could you summarize in five words or less?
I Keed I Keed.

Very well written.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:39 PM
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18. Excellent long post there sonny boy.
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