***C-Span 3, Hayden Hearings Thread 3***

[Viva_La_Revolution]

thread 2 here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1224718#1225158

[The Witch]

1. DiFi: "It was a ONE-WAY Briefing!"

thanks for spelling it out for these neanderthals, difi! :)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

11. that was SNOWE!

:wow:

[The Witch]

21. crap, I said "go difi" as i walked by the TV @ work

and made a reporter here think i was hopelessly ill-informed.

[Norquist Nemesis]

2. *GASP* Snowe: The Gang of 8 was really a one-way briefing.

She saying they could not have staff also.

[LSK]

3. llllllllonnnnnnnngggggg speech

No question so far....

[Drum]

4. Wow, a smack from Mount Olympia!

Nice to hear the interruption of good cop/bad cop from the D/R/D/R Senators' questioning.

[kentuck]

5. Good points by Olympia Snowe.

and she's a REpublican.

[Norquist Nemesis]

10. Yesterday she was a Moderate Republican

Tune in to Rush! Today, she'll be accused of being a Liberal and Traitor.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

6. that's why Hayden got the job!!!

shrub loves baseball
hayden keeps using bad baseball metaphors

[Norquist Nemesis]

7. "Did you advocate notifying the full House and Senate Cmtees"?

H: It was important to me that we brief the oversight bodies...I don't claim to be a Constitutional Lawyer, it was important to me that we brief the leadership. blahblahblahblah

NOTE: Didn't he just say "The Program" started October 6th, 2001?????

[Viva_La_Revolution]

15. NO. he said

"the opinions in Oct-nov 2001 were blah blah blah protect the homeland"

well, something like that, but it caught my attention too.

I want to know what the opinions were in the spring of 2001 WHEN BUSH FIRST STARTED THIS PROGRAM!!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

16. What was that October 6th date for?

Did you catch it?

[Avalux]

8. Hayden saying he WANTED to notify Congress.

He says it was important to him to brief the leadership - if there was to be a dialogue beyond that, he said he was open to do it if that were the decision. Keeps referring to the Constitution. :eyes:

[Canuckistanian]

12. He should try reading the Constitution once in a while

He certainly showed his ignorance of the 4th Amendment.

[Norquist Nemesis]

13. He did a non-answer. 'Ma'am, I'm not the Decider'

'I just did what I was told'

[Avalux]

18. Yep - exactly.

I just take orders ma'am. :eyes:

[Drum]

9. I'm really bummed that (I heard) Sen. Rockefeller isn't there.

Because on this disclosure topic his sealed letter of objections is powerful stuff, based on his convictions. I wish we could hear from him in this hearing
:(

[Avalux]

19. I find it rather odd.

He's out for back surgery, but I'd think he could have rescheduled elective surgery for such an important hearing. I'm bummed about it too.

[Sydnie]

14. Finally here with you

Looks like I have missed a lot already, huh?

Thanks Viva! :hug:

[Drum]

17. I think they're on the, mmm, 6th round of ?s.

And contemplating a lunch break next, before more this afternoon.

edit: sorry not sixth round, but I think sixth questioner in the FIRST round. oops

[Sydnie]

22. thanks for the update

This guy is slick, from what I have heard so far. This just makes me sick!

[LouisianaLiberal]

25. Wolf, after showing other stories, says

that they are covering this very important hearing about the future of US intelligence - then goes to commercial. I don't get CSpan 3, and I'm getting more info from Amy Goodman on Democracy Now about the hearing than from CNN - and she filmed this morning before the hearing.

Now CNN is interviewing Lott rather than showing the hearing. Very tired of corporate news.

[Sydnie]

29. I am streaming it from C-SPAN directly

and CNN Pipeline is carrying it too on the web.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

20. it's all recorded for posterity...

:hi:

thread 1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1223800#1224626

thread 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1224718#1225285

:hug:

[The Witch]

23. Hey Sydnie!!

:hi:

[Sydnie]

26. Hi the Witch!

I should have known you would be here too ... :hi:

I saw a post in a thread that said this guy was a real dick .. they were right, huh?

[dogday]

31. Hi Sydnie

better late than never :hi:

[Sydnie]

35. Hi dogday

It's like old home week in this thread. :hi:

I have missed sharing these hearings with you all!

This guy can't be confirmed ... where is it going to stop?

[dogday]

37. I wouldn't confirm him on looks alone...

Pretty unPC of me, I know, but he looks weird......

[Sydnie]

39. and his voice is annoying!

Hypnotic ... like it's only good for brainwashing ...

Reminds me of the computer from Space Odyssey.

[Norquist Nemesis]

24. Did you hear? We're in a War!!!

:wow:

[Norquist Nemesis]

27. DiFi then lunch

Kicking off with Hatch after lunch.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

28. Feinstein up! Agrees with Snowe's opening statements

[dogday]

33. I think she supports him nt

[Drum]

30. Did anybody catch that afternoon lineup?

resuming at 1:30pm after Sen. Feinstein.

Only caught the last two, Lott and Bayh....

[Norquist Nemesis]

32. Hatch will be first

Feingold later toward the end but not last.

[dogday]

34. Now that is who I want to watch

I love Russ Feingold, I just can't help it.. He does it right....

[Sydnie]

38. I agree with you dogday

He will be hammering the right points, I am sure.

[dogday]

40. See the Go Russ stickie??? I like it............

[Sydnie]

68. I love that too

Thanks to whoever did that sticky! Go Russ Go!

[Drum]

36. that should be good...

it sounds like---elsewhere in the news---Feingold has quite a head of steam up after the marriage-amendment battle.


Hey, did Hayden just refer to Sen Feinstein as "your honor"?

[Thorandmjolnir]

41. Does this sound right

He opposed the initial program because he did not think it was legal, then he is convinced by the WH lawyers, take their opinion to his own lawyers, who tells him its legal, and he does not ask for their opinion in writing?

I thought the first rule of government was CYA, meaning you get everything in writing.

[Sydnie]

51. Have his lawyers been given a security clearance?

If not, didn't he violate his clearance by discussing national security issues with someone not authorized to discuss it or have classified information?

[The Witch]

42. DIFI Reads the 4th amendment!

SCHOOL HIM!!!!!!! :woohoo:

[Drum]

43. Oh, here we go...the 4th Amendment re-play! nt

[Viva_La_Revolution]

44. "I want to ask you some questions about the 4th amendment"

:rofl:

good for her!

[LSK]

46. and she read it to him

[Norquist Nemesis]

49. Hayden: Well, it says probably cause but we ignore that

and use reasonable.

[Marie26]

80. Oh, great!

Go DiF1!

[Norquist Nemesis]

45. LOL! DiFi: Do you believe the 4th A contains a probably clause

statement?

:rofl:

[Thorandmjolnir]

47. He gets advise from law school students?

He just said he got advise from relatives, WHO ARE IN LAW SCHOOL!

[LSK]

50. better than white house lawyers i guess

:sarcasm:

[Marie26]

82. LOL!

Guess the fleet of trained NSA lawyers weren't up to the task of... reading the 4th Amendment?

[The Witch]

48. Hayden: OUR standard talks about reasonableness.

..... (so we don't bother with the probable cause???)

oh PUKE!

[LSK]

52. 9/11 changed everything, blah blah blah

Its coming, you know it

[Norquist Nemesis]

56. See #24 above.

*wink*

[Drum]

53. He's citing a "law-school hypothetical"??? nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

55. And doing a piss poor job of it too! n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

54. Everything NSA does is legal....up to that point.

And then? :wtf:

[Drum]

57. I like that DiFi is raising a variety of

categories of questions, touching on one and then moving on to another, Warrents, 4th Amend, Detentions, etc. Good stuff to have on the record from these open hearings...you can bet the closed sessions are gonna involve some BBQed Porky!

[Norquist Nemesis]

59. And every one of them is: Let me detail that in Closed Session

Every one of them.

[Drum]

61. What a cop out of Baldy

Nevertheless, she's putting the pursuit on record, and his backpedaling looks shifty on record. DiFi is also laying out lots of material for subsequent Dem Senators to use in their questioning.

[dogday]

62. Therefore the people are in the dark

like the openness of these hearing eh????

[EVDebs]

63. How is Operation Firstfruits legal if it targets journalists

and whistleblowers speaking out about illegal programs ? Pat Roberts may have heard all about the illegal warrantless wiretapping and datamining offshore in Global Information Group Ltd's operation combined with ChoicePoint data, but if no one speaks up and alerts Congress about the illegalities, our Constitution is buried with Jimmie Hoffa...

and I want that discussion taking place NOT in camera but out in open session.

[The Witch]

58. I hate how he calls her "ma'am."

Seems so patronizing. Call her Senator.

[LSK]

60. hes deferring a lot to closed session

[LSK]

64. lunchtime

Resumes at 1:30 est.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

65. did you hear that!

after the call for lunch, someone told Feinstein she asked good questions, she said "but he didn't answer any of them"!!!

[LSK]

66. callers

:popcorn:

[Sydnie]

67. I thought I heard that too

Four ears are a good thing! :)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

69. great callers!

that lady from Atlanta had great points.

[LSK]

71. some koolaide folks too thou

[LSK]

70. CSPAN2 will re-air it tonite

9 EST i think he said.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

72. should be back in 2 minutes nt

[The Witch]

73. Yuman Intelligence :snicker:

He's the Yunit manager for Yuman Intelligence!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

74. and they are back nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

75. They could save time and give Hatch a pass

How does that fool last term after term?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

76. Hatch (puke)

[Norquist Nemesis]

77. Mute Roll Call

Here!!!

[dogday]

78. I'm full, but now Hatch is up

and I could blow chunks :puke:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

79. 4 members briefed

4!!!! for the first 2 meetings

then 6 at another

then 4 at the next


:mad:

[Norquist Nemesis]

81. But no details on whether it was the same 4 / 6 people or not

I'm betting it was the same people. The just decided to invited two Dems at the one with 6 people.

[Norquist Nemesis]

86. blah blah blah blah blah blah

Is Hatch really doing all of the speaking? I've got it muted but it looks like he's reading a Rove hearing prep memo or something.

[Marie26]

88. Wasn't this originally reported

as a briefing of the full House & Senate intelligence committees?

[Norquist Nemesis]

90. No. IIRC, that happended for the first time yesterday. n/t

[Marie26]

97. I could've sworn...

that they reported yesterday that Bush Ad. briefed the full committees on the NSA program. If Hayden's changing that now to 4-6 people, that means they weren't telling the truth about how many people were present at the briefing on Wed.

Wed., May 17 - "NSA to Brief Lawmakers on Spy Program"

"AP - The Bush administration will brief the full House and Senate Intelligence Committees in Congress on the National Security Agency’s controversial surveillance activities, reversing course after five months. The sessions scheduled for Wednesday afternoon on Capitol Hill were to be led by the NSA’s director, Lt. Gen. Keith Alexander, and were sure to focus on the ultra-secret agency’s efforts to monitor domestic calls when one party is overseas and suspected of terrorism, as well as the agency’s efforts to collect records on ordinary Americans’ calls.

The briefings were coming less than 24 hours ahead of the opening of confirmation hearings for Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated to head the CIA. He was set to appear Thursday before the Senate Intelligence Committee."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12834982/

[spanone]

83. I don't give a shit who was briefed. It's fucking illegal.

[dogday]

85. Briefed? What is this Briefed shit??? Why

did they not go before congress in closed session.. Why not all of congress or all of the senate????

[Norquist Nemesis]

87. Or even the full committees n/t

[dogday]

89. Yes that sounds reasonable to me

The whole committee...

[Viva_La_Revolution]

91. you mean like that reasonable LAW that Wyden quoted earlier?

from 1940-something that says THE WHOLE COMMITTEE HAS TO BE BRIEFED

[dogday]

92. Yes Exactly like that.... Thank you!!!

:hi:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

84. Hatch! you idiot! this is IRRELEVANT!!!

They were not allowed to tell anyone or get outside advice!!!

[spanone]

93. Orrin Hatch is licking Hayden's ass....time for lunch.

[dogday]

96. Or in his case dessert........

oh so sweet ass licking....:puke: :mad:

[The Witch]

94. I am sick of this "privacy vs. security" thing.

This is not a tug-of-war. You do not pull one end of the string and come up just that much short on the other end. There is no teeter-totter here.

Our rights are inalienable. We are guaranteed them No Matter What. That's what freedom is about. We do not give them up to feel a little safer.

[dogday]

98. There is no such thing as 100% protection

Anyone who has raised a child can tell you this... Something will happen at sometime... We deal ....

[Viva_La_Revolution]

95. ***THREAD 4 IS UP***

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