Check out this crap email going around

[proud2BlibKansan]

?Thought you might be interested in this forgotten bit of information..........

It was 1987! At a lecture the other day they were playing an old news video of Lt.Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan Administration.

There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, but what he said was stunning!

He was being drilled by a senator; "Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security system?"

Ollie replied, "Yes, I did, Sir."

The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience, "Isn't that just a little excessive?"

"No, sir," continued Ollie.

"No? And why not?" the senator asked.

"Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir."

"Threatened? By whom?" the senator questioned.

"By a terrorist, sir" Ollie answered.

"Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?"

"His name is Osama bin Laden, sir" Ollie replied.

At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn't pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued. Why are you so afraid of this man?" the senator asked.

"Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know of", Ollie answered.

"And what do you recommend we do about him?" asked the senator.

"Well, sir, if it was up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth."

The senator disagreed with this approach, and that was all that was shown of the clip.


By the way, that senator was Al Gore!

Also:

Terrorist pilot Mohammad Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners."

However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands, The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released.
&nb! sp;
Thus Mohammad Atta was freed and eventually thanked the US by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center. This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified.
It was censored in the US from all later reports.

If you agree that the American public should be made aware of this fact, pass this on.



Do Not Break - it is 3 years strong


This is why I always say I love YOU....


This has not been broken since 9/11/01, please keep it going...
This has been kept alive and moving since 9/11. In memory of all those who perished this morning; the passengers and the pilots on the United Air and AA flights, the workers in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and all the innocent bystanders. Our prayers go out to the friends and families of the deceased.

[Ilsa]

1. Again? Be sure to reply to all that snopes caught this one

years ago, as in right after 9-11 when some moronic propagandist started it.

[BrklynLiberal]

3. HA! Great minds!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. I didn't see anything on Snopes

Maybe I entered the wrong search term?

Do you have a link? Thanks!

[Dr.Phool]

10. Google seperate charges. Plenty of links.

[Sydnie]

13. Here's the link

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.asp

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. Thank you

[Ilsa]

43. And here's the one to the Mohammed Atta story that usually

goes with the felon North email:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm

[proud2BlibKansan]

46. OOh maybe I will send that out now - before they send it to me

LOL

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. My reply - sure to piss off a RWer!!

First of all, if you all are so concerned about warnings that Osama was going to attack the US, why don't you change this false email to tell that your current president was handed a report ONE MONTH BEFORE 9/11/01 that was titled

OSAMA DETERMINED TO STRIKE WITHIN US WITH AIRPLANES

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/

And where was he when this report came out? ON VACATION in Crawford, TX. Did he come back to DC or do ANYTHING about this report? NO. Yet you ask that we pass on an email that slams Al Gore and isn't even true???

Secondly, this story is completely false. PLEASE learn to check these silly emails before forwarding them on. Google is your friend! So is Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.asp

Here is Oliver North's response to this email:

FROM THE DESK OF LTCOL OLIVER L. NORTH (USMC) RET.
NOVEMBER 28, 2001


OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, I HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL THOUSAND E-MAILS FROM EVERY STATE IN THE U.S. AND 13 FOREIGN COUNTRIES IN WHICH THE ORIGINATOR PURPORTS TO HAVE RECENTLY VIEWED A VIDEOTAPE OF MY SWORN TESTIMONY BEFORE A CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE IN 1987.

A COPY OF ONE OF THOSE E-MAILS IS ATTACHED BELOW. AS YOU WILL NOTE, THE ORIGINATOR ATTRIBUTES TO ME CERTAIN STATEMENTS REGARDING USAMA BIN LADEN AND OTHER MATTERS THAT ARE SIMPLY INACCURATE. THOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO CLAIM THE GIFT OF PROPHESY, I DON'T HAVE IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHO SAW WHAT VIDEO "AT UNC." (OR ANYWHERE ELSE) BUT, FOR THE RECORD, HERE'S WHAT I DO KNOW:

1. IT WAS THE COMMITTEE COUNSEL, JOHN NIELDS, NOT A SENATOR WHO WAS DOING THE QUESTIONING.

2. THE SECURITY SYSTEM, INSTALLED AT MY HOME, JUST BEFORE I MADE A VERY SECRET TRIP TO TEHRAN, COST, ACCORDING TO THE COMMITTEE, $16K, NOT $60K.

3. THE TERRORIST WHO THREATENED TO KILL ME IN 1986, JUST BEFORE THAT SECRET TRIP TO TEHRAN, WAS NOT USAMA BIN LADEN, IT WAS ABU NIDAL (WHO WORKS FOR THE LIBYANS — NOT THE TALIBAN AND NOT IN AFGHANISTAN).

4. I NEVER SAID I WAS AFRAID OF ANYBODY. I DID SAY THAT I WOULD BE GLAD TO MEET ABU NIDAL ON EQUAL TERMS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD BUT THAT I WAS UNWILLING TO HAVE HIM OR HIS OPERATIVES MEET MY WIFE AND CHILDREN ON HIS TERMS.

5. I DID SAY THAT THE TERRORISTS INTERCEPTED BY THE FBI ON THE WAY TO MY HOUSE IN FEB. 87 TO KILL MY WIFE, CHILDREN AND ME WERE LIBYANS, DISPATCHED FROM THE PEOPLE'S COMMITTEE FOR LIBYAN STUDENTS IN MCLEAN, VIRGINIA.

6. AND I DID SAY THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD MOVED MY FAMILY OUT OF OUR HOME TO A MILITARY BASE (CAMP LEJEUNE, NC) UNTIL THEY COULD DISPATCH MORE THAN 30 AGENTS TO PROTECT MY FAMILY FROM THOSE TERRORISTS (BECAUSE A LIBERAL FEDERAL JUDGE HAD ALLOWED THE LYBIAN ASSASSINS TO POST BOND AND THEY FLED).

7. AND, FYI: THOSE FEDERAL AGENTS REMAINED AT OUR HOME UNTIL I RETIRED FROM THE MARINES AND WAS NO LONGER A "GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL." BY THEN, THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAD SPENT MORE THAN $2M PROTECTING THE NORTH FAMILY. THE TERRORISTS SENT TO KILL US WERE NEVER RE-APPREHENDED.

SEMPER FIDELIS,
OLIVER L. NORTH

[Tactical Progressive]

38. The answer to this is the same as the answer to

any Republican claim to being 'tough on terra': Republicans purposely let America get attacked by terrorists in 2001.

Why Democrats everywhere are so afraid of speaking the truth is beyond me, but the results of the cowardice get worse every day.

[BrklynLiberal]

2. Remember when you reply to this, use "REPLY ALL"

Here is the snopes.com link detailing the falseness of this ridiculous tale

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.asp

[Cetacea]

6. thanks for snopes link

I always "respond to all" when I get these well-backed fwd: emails.
Nice to have snopes.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. Oh thank you - I couldn't find it.

And yes, you can be sure I will reply to all.

I had already decided to begin that reply with wondering, if they are so concerned about Osama and what we should have known ahead of time, are they also outraged about dubya ignoring that pdb issued a month before 9/11 - "Osama determined to strike the US with airplanes"?

And wasn't Ollie North convicted of a crime and then pardoned by bush sr?

[Rude Horner]

5. Snopes it

Reply to the sender that this is garbage. As usual, with this crap. I get so tired of people passing along this garbage by email (This comment is not aimed at you, Proud2blib) without checking it out first.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.asp

Ya know, what really makes me sick is that the original moran who wrote this makes this comment at the bottom:

"If you think the American people should be aware of this fact, pass this email on."

This idiot KNOWS he/she can't debate with facts, and is forced to make up shit. That just really pisses me off.

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. I did look at Snopes but couldn't find it

So thank you for the link!!

[Rude Horner]

15. No problem.

Happy to help. I have quite a bit of "Snopes" experience, because my mother in law is forever forwarding emails like this to me. After looking at my post a second time, I was hoping that you realized I was talking badly about the person who wrote the malicious email. Not you. Just didn't want you to think I was cutting YOU down, ok? :) :hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. No problem - I understood

When I couldn't find it there, I knew some smart DUers would have the link. :hi:

It also never hurts to share these crap emails here.

And if I had a lot of time, I would write some emails myself. My friend and I have talked about doing this for awhile now. No reason we lefties can't play this game as well.

[Staph]

33. I have an "acquaintance" like your mother-in-law . . .

Who is constantly forwarding this kind of e-mail to me. When I replied to this one with the Snopes link, she sent back a note asking me if I was a communist! Luckily, she seemed to be sufficiently insulted that I haven't heard from her in months.

[Rude Horner]

50. Sounds like a typical Right-winger

when confronted with facts, they resort to name-calling. It's because they know they can't debate the truth.

[tinfoil tiaras]

7. I really hate crap reich wing propoganda emails

They're like those moronic "abortion poems".... :mad:

[salvorhardin]

48. That's an interesting statement.

I really hate crap reich wing propoganda emails
They're like those moronic "abortion poems"....

Considering the graphic in your sig line contains right wing propaganda.

[tinfoil tiaras]

51. Shit, I swear I didn't know

It came from this liberal girl's signature on gurl.com....damn.

I hate myself. DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN.

FUCK.

[Dr.Phool]

8. I got that a couple of months ago.

I replied that in the 1980's Osama was most likely working for the CIA and North. Also Gore was not on the Committee.

It was a different Atta that blew up the bus in Israel.

Clinton wouldn't be president for another 6 years

And I sent the guy links debunking all the assertions. He got mad because I interjected facts into his diatribe.

Terrible things, those facts.

[hyphenate]

12. People fail to remember that

1987 the president was Ronnie Raygun, and that 1988-1992 would see yet another Bush in the white house. Explain THAT, freepers!

As far as Atta is concerned, he never DID attack during Clinton's years in the white house, but as soon as the next Bush took over, wham! he flies into the WTC. Think about THAT, freepers!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. good point!

[1monster]

14. Send this link back to them with smilie and a note that says,

Always remember, Snopes.com is our friend.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.asp

[Craig3410]

16. I forgot about that...

Osama was on the US's side at the time of the Ollie North hearings!

They missed that little tidbit.

[Swamp Rat]

17. "In memory of all those who perished"

Put Bushler behind bars!!!

[BrklynLiberal]

18. oooo. Nice one Swamp Rat!!!!!!!!

[Swamp Rat]

21. abraço

:hug: thanks

[Sydnie]

19. Swamp Rat

I think that is one of your very best EVER! :scared:

[Swamp Rat]

20. Truth is stranger than fiction

Thanks :hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. Oh I am going to send that next!

Thank you!

LOL Great as usual!

[oneold1-4u]

22. another to be verified

One that says Cindy gave up the son that died in Iraq in a divorce when he was 7 and that she is giving up another in this most recent divorce. One
other hit: a picture of her son's grave with no headstone or marker saying that she could have had one for free.

Also got one that said Enron was riding through
Clinton's regime the whole time and not this one.

I'm not aware of how to find the truth when these things are thrown at me by republican family. I would only wish to lead them to truth if these are false.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Snopes - always check there

[oneold1-4u]

36. Just debunked Enron - Clinton

Enron was into political closets of all kinds for more than ten years.
Out of snopes
Enron's tentacles ran so deep into Washington's political establishment that 71 sitting senators and nearly half of the current House of Representatives received Enron money during the last decade, including some who are now investigating the company's bankruptcy.

Still trying to find Cindy.

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. Oh that Cindy deal is so dumb

That story about the gravestone came out right before I went to Crawford for Easter. When I got back, a conservative friend of mine asked me what did Cindy have to say about the gravemarker for Casey. I looked him dead in the eye and said "You know, it didn't even occur to me to ask, since that is NONE of my business." And that is also how I replied to the emails I got. Why in the world should anyone besides Casey's family care what is on his grave? That is just one of the dumbest stories ever.

[Ilsa]

44. Here's the snopes' debunking about Cindy Sheehan:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sheehan.asp

[oasis]

23. North, busted for stealing funds said "I'd go one on one with Abu Nidal

but I'm not willing to risk the lives of my wife and kids".

As if he (North) was so important that Abu Nidal would waste time trying to eliminate his sorry ass. North was obviously lying in a attempt to get sympathy.:nopity:

[LaPera]

26. Osama is STILL free, are you?

www.bartcop.com

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. Now that is a great point

Thanks

[ContraBass Black]

32. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuull shit.

REPLY ALL is your friend.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

34. I wish that people would stop posting right-wing propaganda

on The Big Boards. I don't care if it's presented as "Hey, check out how stupid this is" or "Please help me to debunk this". This kind of crap shouldn't be given any further exposure.

Maybe the Admins could create a Propaganda Forum to contain this stuff and to give people who really need help debunking an item some focused help.

:rant:

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. It needs to be debunked

This is one reason they win elections. They lie and send out bullshit emails. We absolutely must debunk them.

If you don't like them, don't read the thread.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

47. I never said otherwise

My point, which you ignored, is that publishing this crap (as you rightfully called it) in the Big Boards just gives it even more exposure that it deserves.

Debunking can happen in a contained environment. Like I proposed, how about a Propaganda Forum? Do people really not know how to debunk these things without re-posting them in full on the main boards? It's like walking up to complete strangers and saying "does this look infected to you?".

This reminds me of Cheech & Chong's dogshit sketch.

[proud2BlibKansan]

49. Then propose a propaganda forum

I wasn't ignoring your point. I happen to disagree so I didn't comment.

And I still think you should just not click on these threads.

[alfredo]

35. I just told off a woman for sending some republican lies.

I have asked her over and over again to check the veracity of the e-mails she forwards. I gave her the link to snopes.com at least a dozen times.

She sent this one:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/sschanges.asp

I reminded her that all of the things she has forwarded has come from either the political right or the religious right and every one was a hoax. Not one has been the truth. I asked her why she doesn't check them out first even though I have shown her how to over and over again? I said these e-mails are designed to pit one American against another, and the people who compose them and forward them without first verifying are hurting our nation.

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. The friend who sends them to me says she knows I can debunk them

And she likes the way I reply to all of her friends. So I don't mind when she sends them. The content always pisses me off but not her intent.

[alfredo]

41. There is never any personal text. She never types one original

word, she just forwards.

I will see if she replies. If she doesn't, I will block her e-mail.

[gatorboy]

37. Ollie probably helped train Osama.

Osama was a Repug buddy during the war on communism. Who are thery trying to kid?

[Maestro]

42. gonna have to send this to my screwball uncle.

His head would explode.