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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:42 AM
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FINALLY: "Japan tries to cut down on plastic bags"


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060611/ap_on_sc/japan_bagging_plastic


Japan tries to cut down on plastic bags
By HIROKO TABUCHI, Associated Press Writer Sat Jun 10, 9:31 PM ET
TOKYO - Buy lunch and a magazine at any Japanese convenience store, and you're likely to get your drink in one plastic bag, hot lunch box in another, and your magazine in yet a third.

The mega-packaging keeps your food hot, your drink cool and your newspaper clean, but environmentalists say it also creates a mountain of plastic waste that fouls the air, pollutes the oceans and contributes to global warming.

The world uses between 500 billion to 1 trillion plastic bags a year, according to the advocacy Web site, reusablebags.com. Wrapping-happy Japan is a major player, consuming some 30 billion — about 300 for each adult.

Those figures don't include the tons of extra wrapping — individual plastic covers for shirts from the cleaners, tiny packages for single cookies — used in Japan, experts say, suggesting the country is among the world's premier consumers of plastic sheet.

"Japan probably uses more plastic than most societies in the world," said Hideki Nakahashi, a spokesman at the Japan Polyolefin Film Industry Trade Association.










It's not exaggeration. They are so crapping-crazy it borders on compulsive. There is a brand of chocolate chip cookies I occasionally buy here, if I don't have time to make them myself. It looks like a big bag, but each little cookie (about the size of an oreo) is in its own wrapper, then all in a big bag. One time, I took them all out of the wrappers at once and put them in the cookie jar. I ended up with a cookie jar that was only 1/3 full, and a whole bunch of little plastic wrappers in the trash. Yes, they need to get this under control here.

As for the US, they really need to stop with those damn plastic packages that are so sturdy and strong you need a diamond-tipped glass cutter to open them. Or those plastic shells on toy packages that are SCREWED onto a cardboard backing - cut it out already!
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:45 AM
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1. I think that those packages
are nmeant to discourage shop-lifting.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:57 AM
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2. They sure as hell discourage me on Xmas morning...
They're still wasteful. Besides, aren't they supposed to have little labels on products that are supposed to set off an alarm if you leave without paying? There has to be a way of packaging cheesy, made-in-China junk toys so that you don't need a blowtorch to open them...
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:11 AM
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3. I'm familiar with the packaging
that requires a blowtorch to open. Electronic parts come in those. Even with scissors and a pair of pliers, I often have a great deal of trouble.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:47 AM
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11. Wouldn't it be cheaper...
to hire one extra security person to monitor the store than it would be to re-tool factories to screw toys into their boxes? I mean, I have had to get wire-cutters to take some of my daughter's toys out of their boxes.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:17 AM
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4. This really surprises me. A friend lived in Kyoto & had 9 diff. recycling
categories. Including baby diapers. You'd think if they were so recycling conscious, they'd also be "reduce" conscious.

The plastic packages in the US while a pain to open actually represent a decrease in packaging (both in terms of weight and volume) from the past. Would be good if it was recycled and recyclable. As for the toys: have you ever seen how parents let their kids free in toy departments? The manufacturers want to keep each toy all together with all of its parts. (Otherwise, you'd be bringing home toys and finding something missing).
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:43 AM
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5. Here in Fukuoka, there are 3 recycle categories.
Burnable trash, non-burnable (IE glass & aluminum) and plastic containers. People are pretty good about separating, but overpackaging is a major problem. I first came here over 10 years ago, and have seen little improvement. There's something fussy about the Japanese culture that makes them want to have everything in it's own little separate unit, container, whatever. For instance, my father in law used to put the package of toile paper in the corner of the bathroom on the floor, but somehow, putting it directly in the floor was a no-no, so he put it in a little tray on the floor of the bathroom. It really made zero difference in any logical way, but logic is often a foreign concept here. Like the maps of the various lines you see on the trains. Instead of having them laid out in a realistic map, with north to the top, south at the bottom, east at the right, west at the left, the maps are arranges such that the station you're heading for is always on the side nearest the front of the train, and the stations you've passed are towards the back. The maps are reversed, depending on which side of the train they are posted on! Japanese find this perfectly normal, but to a person with a N-S-E-W orientation like me, it is very confusing...
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:05 AM
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6. I read that in some Japanese towns they have people who make sure
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 06:12 AM by lindisfarne
people are recycling AND properly sorting their recyclables. And, being reprimanded was very much a social issue - people felt very ashamed.

My American friend said that once, their recycling magically reappeared at their door with a note saying it wasn't properly sorted. He was amazed they knew who to take it back to, since they took it to the street - but after reading the article, I'm sure the americans were the only ones who would dare to do it wrong (and perhaps, the kinds of labels on their recyclables also gave them away).

This is the article I read: http://www.cuke.com/misc/Japanese%20recycling.html
<snip>
In Yokohama, after a few neighborhoods started sorting last year, some residents stopped throwing away their trash at home. Garbage bins at parks and convenience stores began filling up mysteriously with unsorted trash. "So we stopped putting garbage bins in the parks," said Masaki Fujihira, who oversees the promotion of trash sorting at Yokohama City's family garbage division.

Enter the garbage guardians, the army of hawk-eyed volunteers across Japan who comb offending bags for, say, a telltale gas bill, then nudge the owner onto the right path. One of the most tenacious around here is Mitsuharu Taniyama, 60, the owner of a small insurance business who drives around his ward every morning and evening, looking for missorted trash. He leaves notices at collection sites: "Mr. So-and-so, your practice of sorting out garbage is wrong. Please correct it. I checked inside bags and took especially lousy ones back to the owners' front doors," Mr. Taniyama said. He stopped in front of one messy location where five bags were scattered about, and crows had picked out orange peels from one. "This is a typical example of bad garbage," Mr. Taniyama said, with disgust. "The problem at this location is that there is no community leader. If there is no strong leader, there is chaos."

He touched base with his lieutenants in the field. On the corner of a street with large houses, where the new policy went into effect last October, Yumiko Miyano, 56, was waiting with some neighbors. Ms. Miyano said she now had 90 percent compliance, adding that, to her surprise, those resisting tended to be "intellectuals," like a certain university professor or an official at Japan Airlines up the block.
"But the husband is the problem - the wife sorts her trash properly," one neighbor said of the airlines family.

Getting used to the new system was not without its embarrassing moments. Shizuka Gu, 53, said that early on, a community leader sent her a letter reprimanding her for not writing her identification number on the bag with a "thick felt-tip pen." She was chided for using a pen that was "too thin." "It was a big shock to be told that I had done something wrong," Ms. Gu said. "So I couldn't bring myself to take out the trash here and asked my husband to take it to his office. We did that for one month."
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 06:37 AM
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7. Sounds like they are fussier than here in Fukuoka.
We do our best to sort properly, but we don't have to mark the bags. They sell the bags at the with the tax built in.

Everyone throws their bags in the condominium's trash area. Nobody's reprimanded us yet...
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:52 AM
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12. We've got about 8 categories
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 07:53 AM by Art_from_Ark
Burnable (including plastic bags, which are apparently incinerated at a co-generator)
Non-burnable
Aluminum and steel
"Pet" plastic bottles
Paper and cardboard
Bottles and jars
Oversize junk (make an appointment to take it to the dump)
Hazardous (hire a company to haul it away)
(And supermarkets sometimes have receptacles for styrofoam meat trays)

They also encourage people to return worn-out appliances to the dealer, who will sometimes take them on a trade-in. There are also trucks that roam the neighborhoods soliciting small broken appliances, but they charge 1000 yen or so (about 9 bucks) to take each item away.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 07:58 AM
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8. I found it baffling
If you buy so much as a pencil, they gift wrap it. On the other hand, paper towels in restrooms seem not to exist.


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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:42 AM
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10. Well, they don't gift wrap pencils around here
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 07:56 AM by Art_from_Ark
(N Tokyo Metro). You buy a pencil, they might stick it in a little bag. But these days, they might just slap a little green tag on it to show it's paid for.

As for paper towels in wash rooms, the only place I have seen them in Japan is at the international airport. A lot of washrooms now have blowers, though, that are probably better than paper towels. Usually, though, I think you're expected to carry a handkerchief to wipe your hands with.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 08:13 AM
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9. Japanese gift wrapping is superb
All the time into the packaging...
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