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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:02 PM
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Line-Item Veto Approved:
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 09:02 PM by originalpckelly
"President Bush would receive greater power to try to kill "pork barrel" spending projects under a bill passed Thursday by the House.

Lawmakers voted to give Bush and his successor a weaker version of the line-item veto law struck down by the Supreme Court in 1998, despite a recent series of lopsided votes in which they've rallied to preserve each other's back-home projects. The new power would expire after six years.

The idea advances amid increasing public concern about lawmakers' penchant for stuffing parochial projects into spending bills that the president must accept or reject in their entirety.

The House passed the bill by a 247-172 vote. Thirty-five Democrats joined with most Republicans in voting for the bill; 15 Republicans opposed the measure and others voted for the bill despite private reservations."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/22/ap/politics/mainD8IDIP7G0.shtml

:scared:

I might write up a comparison of Bush's and President Hindenburg's (and eventually Hitler's) power.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:03 PM
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1. So only red pork will be allowed now?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:04 PM
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2. And the red usually means bacterial infection. At least in food.
:wow:


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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:06 PM
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5. If you have illusions about Line-Item being used solely for this...
don't. Remember those signing statements? They aren't even written in any laws, but Bush uses them all the time for very important and controversial matters (Detainee Treatment Act of 2005) where the Congress would override a veto.

It won't be long before this power is extended somehow to forward their agenda. Bush asked for this, so they may actually know what they can do with it.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:09 PM
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7. Of course. It's always much worse than anyone can imagine with these
crooks!
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:04 PM
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3. Here's the roll call - were your Dem congresscritters there?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll317.xml

DISGUSTING!

Just WAIT till we have a Dem in the Oval Office!!!
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:06 PM
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4. didn't Clinton have this and the repukes cried
and had it declared unconstitutional
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:07 PM
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6. Actually, If it was correctly discussed today on C-SPAN this
could work to our favor. This was how it was presented. The Pres. would line-item veto an item and then it would go back to Congress and have to be voted on (recorded). It might actually exploit the majority party's games (because now it is going under the cloud of secrecy), the Dems. prob. aren't getting much these days anyways.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:14 PM
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9. Control 101
bush would only line-item a red piece of pork if that member had tried to step out of line. When the item returned to the floor, it would embarrass the member. Thus, NO Pork for Dems with which to woo whomever, and this further strangles the unruly republicans. Unitary Executive says all bow and say heil.
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:23 PM
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11. That's ok! We aren't getting much anyway. Let them eat their
own! The people are not drinking the koolaid anymore.

And to be honest, let's get rid of the pork (the stupid stuff anyway, bridge to no where come to mind), because that is probably the only thing getting the Repubs elected anyway.

I live in NJ and the last report I saw, was that we got $.64/$1.00, back on tax dollars, look at the states that get over $1.00 back and who reps them.

It also will point out, who Bush sides with and what the $ is spent on! I think that so many RW Christians side with Bush because his profession of being Christians (still scratching head on what part of Christ's teachings he follows), because they would have to admit that God did not divinely inspire GWB, and thus, challenge their whole belief system (which is a good thing!).
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:13 PM
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8. Democrats voting to give the chimp even more power....
Nice.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:14 PM
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10. Wow. Congress committed suicide.
When's the funeral? Because the bodies have already begun to stink.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:24 PM
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12. If Congress wants to cut down on pork, why don't they just quit
sending the shit to the fucking White House in the first place?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:41 PM
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13. We should write and thank them for giving the next president
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 09:42 PM by SoCalDem
such a nice "gift".. Or will it go back to the supremes when a dem is in the WH (like it did when Clinton had it)?

All these "advances" have been convincing me for years now that they repubes have NO intention of just turning over all their "toys" to a democratic administration :scared:

The keys to the kingdom and the toys will have to be ripped from their claws..
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:54 PM
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14. Congress just rendered themselves almost completely obslete.
Other then the fact that it is blatantly unconstitutional, and that Congress is nothing more than a rubber stamp now anyway, the fact that there is a six-year window on this means that the gop feels safe enough that there will not be a Democratic congress this fall, nor will there be a Democratic President in two years that they think they can pass this into law.

Think about it, why on earth would they give this much potential power to their potential opponents in two years unless that election was already won?

Folks, we are on our own here. In the same way Germany didn't become the Third Reich overnight, neither has the US become a fascist state overnight, but if you stop for a moment and take stock of the shocking level of control that has been seized by the gop in this country since being installed six years ago, it should scare you shitless. Criticism of the ruling party gets shouted down as being unpatriotic or un-American, ordinary citizens are being spied upon with flagrant disregard to the Constitution under the guise of "National Security". E-mails, telephone calls, internet usage, financial and medical records are now open books to the ruling party. Elections are brazenly stolen and those that point it out are ridiculed and belittled as kooks or left-wing crazies. The president(sic) and his advisors ignore red-alert alarms about potential terrorist attacks, and then after our worst fears are realized the president(sic) stands on the bodies of those innocents allowed to die, and with bullhorn in hand tells us about how we will be protected by them and them alone. When a few brave souls point out the rulers role in allowing that dreadful day to unfold as it did, they send out their rabid junkyard dogs to bark and snarl and attack them with a level of vicious vitriole unparalleled in recent times.

We are led into an obscenely expensive, completely elective and totally unnecessary war based on deceptions, carefully parsed innuedo and outright lies. We became a nation that ignores the Geneva conventions with the permission and blessing of the Attorney General, and after occupying a country that had neither attacked us nor threatened to do so, became a nation that instead of ridding that country of torture and rape-rooms, simply took over it's most infamous prison Abu Ghraib, and hung a sign outside saying "Under New Management". We are told by the media that it's okay to torture these people because they "hate our freedoms". We are told by the media that we shouldn't criticise the president in a time of war. We are told that if we speak our minds we are aiding and abetting the enemy.

We are told that the economy is going from strength to strength, that the minimum wage doesn't need to be raised so that the poorest among us can afford $3 gasoline and it's insidious knock-on affect on the price of everyday goods. We are told that the rich need even more tax cuts, because those already gifted to them aren't quite sufficient to protect their already obscene wealth. We are told that the greatest threat to this country is not perpetual war, the decimation of the envionment, or the almost total erasure of the Bill of Rights, but rather homosexuals being allowed to marry, the "flood" of illegal immigrants and the freedom to burn Old Glory in protest. We are told by the numerous right-wing attack-dogs that "Democrat", "Liberal" and "Progressive" are dirty words, and only those that wish harm upon America would ever associate themselves with such people. The media that is supposed to report on what they see in an unbiased fashion, to investigate, to probe, to ask questions, does none of that and instead shapes what we see, interprets what we see, in one political direction and has allowed the concept of journalistic integrity to wither on the vine in their rush to spew fawning admiration on the ruling party.

We are told that our enemies hate us for our freedoms, but when we try and excercise those freedoms we are cowed into submission with the threat of more terror attacks. We are told that we are winning the war on terror and yet the body-count of brave young soldiers continues to mount. We are told that Iraq is on the road to independence, but we can't give them a date as to when we will leave.

This is about installing a permanent one-party rule. This is about the super wealthy taking over control of this country, crushing dissent, eliminating the middle-class and obliterating the constituion once and for all.

We have one last shot at stopping this. We have one last chance to stop the cancer that is killing this country from the inside, to end the deception and the lies, one last, final attempt to take this country back, and that happens this fall. It is time for all of us to do whatever we can to raise awareness, to motivate people, to enlighten everyone we know about just how important this election is. It is time to make the votes so overwhelmingly onesided that even Diebold will not be able to steal this election without it being so obvious that even the bought-and-paid-for wholly-owned subsidiaries of corporate America formerly known as "The Media" will be unable to ignore it.

If we don't it'll be all over. Game, set and match. That grand experiment originally set up by the founding fathers so many years ago will have officially failed. The ruling elite will have won, and the rest of us will be permanently beholden to them as their over-worked, under-paid serfs. And this line-item veto power grab is simply the most recent, blatantly obvious step down that highway.

God help us all.
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