Official Terra Terra Press conference thread

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Gonzo up now

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1. deadly plot!

:eyes:

'luckily we saved the day'

:puke:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

Wasn't it a bunch of kids in their late teens and twenties?

That's what I had heard.

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3. naw, they were older

but it sounds like there plan was something a bunch of kids would come up with

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7. federal indictment

A federal indictment against seven men revealed Friday details of what the government said was a plan intended to “kill all the devils we can.”
The mission was intended to be “as good or greater than 9/11″ beginning with the destruction of Chicago’s Sears Tower, according to court documents obtained Friday by CNN.

[mtnester]

8. Speaking of saving the day

all that ever reminds me of is:

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2. lots of conspiracy charges

[displacedtexan]

4. There's a similar group in my DC neighborhood.

They practice military drills and Tai Chi
on the playground down the street. Evidently,
this group helps the elderly and the homeless,
and they formed this group in order to avoid
drugs, alcohol, and a life of crime.

They're all Black, BTW.

Terrorists?

Not until the FBI infiltrates and instigates.

Hm.

[Philosoraptor]

5. With Gonzo and Pistole's appearence, this PROVES something stinks

[blogslut]

6. 911!

Too bad this isn't drinking game and I'm outta booze. Let's see if they say it again...

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9. According to Stanley’s sister

According to Stanley’s sister, the group, which formed about a year ago, called itself the Seas of David. The 40 to 50 members consider themselves ‘’soldiers of God'’ and are against the war in Iraq. Like soldiers, they incorporate discipline into their daily lives: exercise, no drinking, no drugs and no meat.
Last year, Marlene Phanor said, her brother and other members of the group drove to Chicago…
‘’They said it was a karate school,'’ Benjamin Williams, 17, said of the warehouse. “They used to be out around 11 at night, practicing like they were in the military or something . . . push-ups, jumping jacks and jumping over chairs.'’
Another neighbor said: “They would be gone all day and come back at night to the warehouse to sleep. They sold shampoo and hair grease on the street.'’
http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/06/23/did-the-miami-terror-suspects-mimic-sleeper-cell/

[Hugin]

14. "against the war in Iraq"

There's always room for a little propaganda in every story.

:eyes:

[Hugin]

10. Just stopped by to say... Booga, Booga, Booga!

Let me know if they found any pool chemicals in their "cache".

That is all.

Carry on.

[spanone]

11. Gonzo the AG patting himself on the back....no thanks.

This will be the pattern until the elections are over. This same shit happened in 2004. It's called voter manipulation.

[blogslut]

12. an ongoing criminal investigation. cannot comment

Says Gonzo...makes me almost miss Snotty McClellan

So, Albert. You seem to be commenting when the answers suit you.

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13. PDF of the indictment.

http://hotair.ord.cachefly.net/images/2006-05/cts.batiste.indict.pdf

[karlrschneider]

20. Cant get that link to open up

my browser just says "stopped", don't know what that means...

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22. Here's the link I got that from...

http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/06/23/did-the-miami-terror-suspects-mimic-sleeper-cell

near the bottom of the page. see if that works for ya.

[karlrschneider]

26. Same thing...how weird. Lemme try IE

maybe it's a Netscape thing...

edit:

Well now the link is gone from THAT page!
hmmm

edit again: finally got it! thanks
sheesh

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15. plans more "aspirational" then "operational"

[MallRat]

16. Whatever happened to "fighting them there, instead of fighting them here?"

I thought by staying in Iraq, terrorist attacks on our home soil would be impossible, right?

[Roland99]

17. So, Gonzo is doing his Ashcroft Lackawanna 5 impersonation?

[me b zola]

18. So they were not on a terror watch list

"but they did have criminal arrests in their background"

[Hugin]

19. And they weren't illegal aliens?

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21. Material support to Al Qaeda

Reporter says... "sounds like these guys were asking for support from Al Qaeda, they couldn't purchase their own boots?" don't sound like they were that dangerous.

:rofl:

[displacedtexan]

23. Gonzo just said "Miami" was in charge. "Ask them about timing."

Pass the buck, just in case.

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24. OMG! I'm reading the indictment

The fake "al qaeda" guy had to supply them with...

A digital camera (to take pictures of targets)
a rental van to get there
a memory card for the camera

26. On or about May 24, 2006 NARSEAL BATISTE told the 'al Qaeda representative' that he was experiencing delays because of various problems within his organization but that he wanted to continue his mission and maintain his relationship with al Qaeda.


They had no money
they had no means

[me b zola]

28. Holy cow

That deserves it's own thread, Viva. Sounding more & more like entrapment. These guys prolly had no intentions of being "radical" until the FBI got involved. :scared:

[countingbluecars]

29. And boots.

They started off supplying them with military boots and then upped the goods each time they met. This makes me sick.

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31. I missed that part

thanks

[suffragette]

34. Quite the contrast to the William Krar case

which

• was barely covered by the media, particularly the cable channels.
  
• was barely discussed by the Justice Dept.
  
• was only discovered by accident, by someone who mistakenly received mail meant from an associate of Krar's and reported it, even though Krar was known and had even been stopped with weapons, handcuffs, etc in his car before.
  
• was a case in which Krar and associates had accumulated on their own "half a million rounds of ammunition, 65 pipebombs and briefcases that could be detonated by remote control, as well as 800g of almost pure sodium cyanide." http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1118162,00.html
  
• only Krar, his partner and one other person were tried and sentenced, even though investigators believed others were involved.
  
• received no public follow-up about this that I have seen.
  
• they were tried and given light sentences, around 11 years for Krar and 5-6 for his partner.
  
  

Key difference?
Krar and his group were white, rightwing extremists. That doesn't fit the profile of the fear they want to spread.

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35. yep. not the right color/religion and not close enough to an election

thanks

[suffragette]

36. Plus, that one doesn't work to promote their "need" to spy on us

since it was a concerned citizen that led to the discovery. Instead, it highlights the way they minimize the real threat from racist, rightwing hate groups.

I noticed in my morning paper that the terra story was next to the story about the government going after Americans' bank records without warrants. I doubt it will be long before we hear them trying to use this to justify illegal wiretaps, monitoring various groups (including Quakers, but seemingly not ones like Krar's), and probing even farther and with less oversight or judicial control. They needed something purely domestic, but far away from memories of the Oklahoma bombing (which wouldn't fit since since the above methods weren't proposed after that and they were also white and therefore not "other") to cover for why they want to really invade Americans rights.

Et voila, this happens.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

25. On CNN...neighbors noticed they were weird 'they were all black"

Oy!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

27. Who's this tool on CNN?

The guy that kind of looks like Nathan Lane?

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30. Kickin - Miami Press Conference coming up nt

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32. on now

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33. nothing new

"there was never any immediate danger"