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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 09:50 AM
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Feinstein's flag fetish: illogic for all !
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2003081871_pitts25.html

Sunday, June 25, 2006 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
Leonard Pitts Jr. / Syndicated columnist

Feinstein's flag fetish: illogic for all

Thank you, Dianne Feinstein.
:crazy:

Composition teachers all over the country are indebted to the Democratic senator from California
for a commentary published Tuesday in USA Today. Instead of tearing their hair out trying to
instruct students in the finer points of logic, rhetoric and critical thinking,
teachers will henceforth be able to simply pull out Feinstein's piece and say, "Don't do this."
They will never find a better illustration of a bad argument badly made.

Feinstein is co-sponsor of something called the Flag Protection Amendment, the latest
congressional effort to amend the Constitution to protect the U.S. flag from "desecration" —
an interesting word, given its connotations of religious devotion.

Her commentary in support of the amendment certainly hits all the patriotic sweet spots,
invoking the image of Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima, reminding us that the flag is a symbol
of "our democracy, our shared values, our commitment to justice,
and our eternal memory of those who have sacrificed to defend these principles."

But there's more. Feinstein notes that Congress has power to protect the Lincoln Memorial from defilement,
so surely it should have similar power to protect the flag, "our monument in cloth."
She denies the amendment would infringe free speech, because, "There is no idea or thought
expressed by the burning of the American flag that cannot be expressed equally well in another manner."

As arguments go, this one has it all — pathos, tears, drama.

Everything except actual, you know, logic....

...more at link...


snip-->

"Feinstein, by the way, is reacting to a crisis that does not exist. You know how many
flag "desecrations" there have been this year? Twenty-five, you think? A dozen?

There have been three. This is according to the Citizens Flag Alliance, a group that "supports"
the proposed amendment. "Three."

More people were struck by lightning. Heck, I bet more people spontaneously combusted.
So essentially what we have here is an effort to amend the Constitution and abridge
the First Amendment in order to stop people from doing what people aren't doing.
Am I the only one who finds this more than faintly ridiculous?"
<--snip

:rofl:

==========================

What the hell is Feinstein doing? Is this all she has to worry about? :shrug:

More about
"A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States
authorizing Congress to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States."
Bill # S.J.RES.12

http://www3.capwiz.com/c-span/issues/bills/?billnum=S.J.RES.12&congress=109&size=full





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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 09:57 AM
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1. Uh, hello? Dianne? 2,500 dead in Iraq not doing it for you?!?
:mad:
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akushuki Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:00 AM
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2. If it passes a HELL of a lot more people will start burning...
I'll start for sure.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:01 AM
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3. Heck, I bet more people spontaneously combusted.
But were they holding flags when they did?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:19 AM
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5. Lol!
I was thinking maybe I will burn a flag too! Why not?
Maybe they'd get me for starting a fire in public? Arson? :shrug:
I don't know but Feinstein needs to quit the DLC, imho!
I'm so sick of the pig bootlappers!
:grr:

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:12 AM
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4. so is this really the most important issue facing Americans?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:19 AM
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6. So far as I know, there is only one Lincoln Monument.
Now, as for this flag thing:
What size will be written into the amendment? 4' X 8'? 10' X 15'? Any size? How about those little flags we stick into cakes?
How about materials? Silk, cotton, polyester? Paper? Plastic? Metal? Cake icing?
Will it be legal to draw or paint images of the flag, and then burn them? Must bad art be eternal?
Is burning the only form of "desecration" to be addressed? What about leaving the flag to wave in the rain? Coloring an image outside the lines? Tying a small flag bandana on a Jack Russell terrier?
Where will the not-to-be-desecrated flags come from? China? The Dollar Tree (still China)? Wal-Mart (yep, China)? Sears? Home Depot? The local V.F.W.? AKA: CHINA?

I think I'll fly the Swiss flag. My husband prefers its design, anyway.
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akushuki Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:23 AM
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7. I think the flag on this guy's body is desecration
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:43 AM
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10. Well, the flag on these guy's bodies are desecration! Killed for a LIE!!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:28 AM
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8. Flag Burning. Senate debates today? I can't find it on C-Span...
Edited on Mon Jun-26-06 10:29 AM by Breeze54
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2006/06/flag_burning_senate_debates_to.html

Flag Burning. Senate debates today. Worth while? Or a Demagogue's Delight?

This flag burning amendment legislation gets a whole bunch of floor time starting today
courtesy of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), a possible 2008 presidential candidate.

Frist is getting it from the right and left for tying up the chamber on symbolic legislation.
Even a bunch of blue chip conservatives--who support the resolution--hit Frist recently for making
a priority of flag burning instead of pushing to confirm conservative judges.

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) who thinks the measure is a waste of time, said Sunday on ABC's
"This Week" it is within one vote of passage....

===================

They keep saying it will be debated today but I can't find it on C-Span anywhere.
Anybody have any info? I don't have cable tv service. Maybe today is a slow day?
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akushuki Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:31 AM
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9. Senate Session doesnt start until 2pm today
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:44 AM
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11. Thank you for the info!
BTW? Welcome to DU!! :hi:
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akushuki Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:49 AM
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12. Glad to be here, also FYI
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 11:49 AM
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13. I looked there but
I had two teenage boys talking to me and laughing when I was looking there, so I probably missed it! :)
Thanks again!
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