Is Fitz tied up and duct taped in a closet or something? What is he

[Sperk]

waiting for? If Libby is the end of the line in the leak case, will he say the investigation is completed or what?

[Jim Sagle]

1. They showed him the chainsaw.

[grytpype]

2. No, he won't say anything.

When they don't indict someone there is no announcement, which is causing a lot of confusion for some people apparently.

Libby is all there is going to be. That's it.

[Sperk]

4. they dont announce when an investigation is completed? why not?

It seems to me that there have been other cases where the DA has announced that an investigation has been completed, although i can't think of an example off the top of my head. Anyone?

[grytpype]

12. Grand jury secrecy.

Grand jury proceedings are secret, to protect the reputations of people who may be under investigation but not charged with anything. If they don't decide to charge a person, the jury and prosecutor are not supposed to say anything one way or the other.

[Tiggeroshii]

11. Yes. But if the investigation is over, he would announce it.

That hasn't happened.

[grytpype]

13. Nope.

That's not what happens.

[Tiggeroshii]

18. Then what happens?

[Innocent Smith]

22. There is a trial...

..for the people that have been indicted. Right now that is Libby.

[Marie26]

20. Nope.

No announcement at all unless someone is indicted.

[Sperk]

26. cross post...I started another thread, didn't want this to get lost

but these are a few articles stating otherwise....

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/business/14873570....

Fraud investigation ends
State grand jury completes probe of HomeGold and Carolina Investors
By BEN WERNER
[e-mail]
WHAT HAPPENED
BY THE NUMBERS
The investigation of South Carolina’s largest, most complex white-collar crime is over.

Attorney General Henry McMaster announced Wednesday that his office has concluded its investigation into the collapse of Pickens-based Carolina Investors and its parent company, Lexington-based subprime mortgage company HomeGold Financial

http://www.cleveland.com/open/plaindealer/index.ssf?/ba...
Fraud investigation ends
State grand jury completes probe of HomeGold and Carolina Investors
By BEN WERNER
[e-mail]
WHAT HAPPENED
BY THE NUMBERS
The investigation of South Carolina’s largest, most complex white-collar crime is over.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/dekalb/stories/0...

Grand jury refuses to indict McKinney

By BOB KEMPER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 06/16/06

WASHINGTON — A grand jury has declined to indict Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia for allegedly striking a Capitol police officer in March, the federal prosecutor announced Friday.

The decision ends a case against the DeKalb County Democrat that has been rife with political and racial tensions.

snip...



Attorney General Henry McMaster announced Wednesday that his office has concluded its investigation into the collapse of Pickens-based Carolina Investors and its parent company, Lexington-based subprime mortgage company HomeGold Financial

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[dogday]

29. I see what your saying and your reference

can anyone give any reference that they won't announce?

[Marie26]

37. Not the same thing

Federal prosecutors are bound to very strict secrecy rules in grand jury proceedings. You've posted some cases that aren't really relevant to the issue here. The first 3 links deal w/state grand jury investigations by the Attorney General. The state judicial system is completely separate from the federal judicial system, & different rules apply. Just because a state Attorney General announced something doesn't mean a US Attorney can do the same. (FYI, none of the links work). The last link is to the McKinney case. In that case, the Pros. actually did present an indictment to a grand jury, but the GJ didn't return it as a "true bill". The decision to press charges was publicly reported & when the GJ refused to return the indictment, that fact was also reported. That article isn't reporting the US Attorney's opinion on whether an investigation will continue, only the fact of the GJ's refusal to indict.

But, in this case, Fitz never presented a Rove indictment to the GJ; & it doesn't appear that there was even a target letter. Rove was just called to testify numerous times - that's it. There's no obligation in a case like that to officially "notify" the press that he won't be indicted. Fitzgerald actually can't do that directly, which is why it was revealed by Luskin instead. Similarly, Fitz won't comment about whether an investigation is closed or not. It could be that the investigation remains open, or that it's ended, or that Fitz isn't sure. My only point is that we won't get direct word from Fitz about the end of an GJ investigation. The investigation officially ends when the GJ expires.

US Attorney's Manual -

1-7.530 Disclosure of Information Concerning Ongoing Investigations

Except as provided in subparagraph B. of this section, components and personnel of the Department of Justice shall not respond to questions about the existence of an ongoing investigation or comment on its nature or progress, including such things as the issuance or serving of a subpoena, prior to the public filing of the document.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title1/7mdoj.htm

[Stevendsmith]

16. Exactly. Jeez, some people are so god damn dense. (n/t)

[JuniperLea]

30. So... are you saying....

The Rove "non-indictment" letter is bogus?

[Catherine Vincent]

3. Yes.

Do you have a problem with that? I'll release him when I'm done with him. LOL!

[CatWoman]

6. !!

:rofl:

[Sperk]

7. lol

n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

14. !

:spray:

:rofl:

[karlrschneider]

5. Does Barbero still have his head?

:evilgrin:

[Eurobabe]

8. Nah, he's out quail hunting with Cheney

[greatauntoftriplets]

9. Fitzgerald does not comment on non-indictments.

He has a high-profile trial going into closing arguments right now in which a city official is on trial for violating the federal Shakman decree, which was supposed to end political hiring at City Hall in Chicago. On trial is a former official of the Daley administration, which Fitzgerald also is investigating.

His office also is getting ready for the inevitable appeal filed by convicted former Illinois governor George Ryan.

The (now-ended) Plame investigation is not the only thing he is working on.

[spag68]

10. Ryan

Wasn't he the idiot that used to be married to 7of9?

[greatauntoftriplets]

15. No, he's been married to LuraLynn for about a half century.

Are you thinking of Jack Ryan, who ran for senator until he was forced off the ballot for mistreating his ex-wife?

[AngryAmish]

17. Plus poking around downstate.

Blago has caught a lot of subpoenas.

[greatauntoftriplets]

19. That, too....

Should be interesting. I couldn't believe that the Sorich defense rested after calling only two witnesses.

:wow:

[AngryAmish]

21. You play the cards you are dealt

It looks like his lawyers got an off-suit 3 and 7.

[greatauntoftriplets]

24. That 5,700-name list was very damaging,

considering all the detail.

I filed an application for a city job about 10 years ago. Guess my connections weren't good enough. :shrug:

[dogday]

31. I have never read where he has

ended the Plame investigation? Where exactly is that reference? I have read Luskin's statement but it did not say the investigation was over, only that the prosecutor did not anticipate indicting Rove.

Where do you base your assumptions from?

[greatauntoftriplets]

33. You are attempting to put words in my mouth.

I never said nor conjectured that Fitzgerald had ended the Plame investigation. What I said was....that he never comments on non-indictments and that he has a full caseload here in the Northern District of Illinois.

I was responding to the OP's question about what Fitzgerald has been doing and posted what I know about it.

In other words, Fitzgerald is multi-tasking. Where the Plame investigation stands at present, I have no clue. If Fitzgerald has something to say about it, I am certain that he will. When he is ready to have something to say.

[dogday]

34. I took it to mean this

The (now-ended) Plame investigation is not the only thing he is working on



now-ended sounds like it is over...




Sorry...:hi:

[pinto]

23. What's that phrase? The wheels of justice grind slow...

but exceedingly fine.

[RethugAssKicker]

25. There was way too much confidence placed in Fitz.... Look WTF

we got? ... NOTHING!

[WI_DEM]

27. Who says the investigation is completed?

[Sperk]

28. no one...that's why I asked if he would announce when it was ended

n/t

[dogday]

32. See Post #9

[DoYouEverWonder]

35. I believe there is another court date in the Libby trial

set for some time in August. Libby isn't scheduled to go to trial until next winter. In the meantime, Fitzgerald has given no indication about anything, which would indicate that the investigation is still ongoing.

Did it occur to anyone that maybe a lot of folks also take vacation this time of year, so there might not be much activity? We know Fitz is a work alcholic but that doesn't mean his staff doesn't get to take a break now and then.

I seriously doubt if Fitzgerald is going to close an investigation into the WH and not make some sort of announcement. If for no other reason then to lift the cloud of suspicion off of the office of the President. When an investigation is ended and the prosecutor decides not to press charges, there is no reason not to make that information public, especially, in such a high profile case.

[ladjf]

36. He may be watching the calendar, waiting until after November.