simplistic question about raped + murdered Iraqi girl

[bobbieinok]

The US military has asked that her body be exhumed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2378012#top

My question: if her body was burned, as I read, what info can an autopsy produce that would give information wanted.

And what info does US military want?????

[Ms. Clio]

1. more importantly, why wasn't an autopsy performed at the time?

According to the investigator's affidavit, the rape and murders were immediately reported to both the military and the local police. Yet the bodies received only a minimal examination at the hospital before burial.

(Edited to add link)

[leftchick]

2. well if they don't get the body

it will work well for the defense because there won't be a whole lot of evidence against them. I think the military would love that.

[Sherman A1]

3. Hopfully

The military wants the complete truth and will do the right thing. I am skeptical of that happening and don't know what an autopsy could tell, but a compete investigation and a fair trial are what is needed.

[uppityperson]

4. Her face and head were burned.

Probably looking for semen.

damn it all anyway

[Ms. Clio]

5. no, it was her lower body that was burned, according to her cousin

first person on the scene.

[uppityperson]

6. hmm, thought her face, said she was not-recognizable. off to research

edited to add you are right, face was not recognizable due to burns, but burnt otherwise too.
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060703/REPOSITORY/607030356/1013/48HOURS
"Janabi was one of the first people to arrive at the house after the attack, he said Saturday, speaking to a Washington Post special correspondent at the home of local tribal leaders. He said he found Abeer sprawled dead in a corner, her hair and a pillow next to her consumed by fire, and her dress pushed up to her neck."

[Ms. Clio]

8. hmmm, that is completely different from the LA Times article

In another room, he found 15-year-old Abeer, naked and burned, with her head smashed in "by a concrete block or a piece of iron."

"There were burns from the bottom of her stomach to the end of her body, except for her feet," he said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-rape6jul06,0,405163,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Clearly the lower part of her body was burned in an attempt to cover up the rape.

[uppityperson]

10. I cannot come up with the right words here to express how I feel.

You know?

thanks for that link, sounds like information is coming forth in bits. sigh.:cry: :grr:

[Ms. Clio]

13. Yes, I know what you mean

Right now I think I am just coldly furious. The more I learn about this case, the more I see a deliberate cover-up from the very beginning.

And I am just revolted by the little tale of the "high ranking officer" who wept and hugged the surviving children.

Gag.me.with.a.spoon.

[uppityperson]

15. Mr.bush hugs widows, "hro" hugs orphaned kids, bah.

coldly furious is a good description. And coverup is obvious. Here's a question: Steven Green was discharged for personality disorder. What did he do to make they think that and discharge him so? Was it this incident? Or others? If this incident, that means the officials knew of it months ago, and still just turned him loose over here. If others, what? Cover-up.

[Ms. Clio]

20. You have such a chilling point -- they did know

and they did just "turn him loose" over here.

[uppityperson]

23. Cover up

The military knew about this incident or some other incident(s), enough to discharge S.G.
S.G. was released, sent home, back to the USA because he was too scary to be in military.
Did the military arrange for mental health care for S.G. or just release him.
The military had the bodies and released them saying "insurgents".

Conclusion: FUBAR, shhhhh.

[Ms. Clio]

24. Cover-up from the very start

I'd bet dollars to donuts that they did not arrange for any type of mental health care for Green. No, they just loosed a probable rape-murderer upon all of us -- maybe they figured it was only Iraqis he liked to rape and murder.

[azurnoir]

7. Kind of hate to use

this comparison but-maybe these guys are using the Duke Rape theory-if you can cast enough doubt on the witnesses then was there ever really a crime? If as some on this have suggested they're looking for semen what if the perps used condoms? The girl was burned, after that and the passage of time just how much physical evidence would be left? And finally exhuming a body is highly offensive to Islam and maybe what they're hoping for is a refusal.

[cali]

9. bad comparison

the witnesses in this case, are the accused. There may still be evidence on the body. None of us can know that. Exhumations may be offensive to Islam, but it's not uncommon for them to occur. Relatives of the deceased family have voiced their support for exhumation.

[azurnoir]

17. If the only witnesses

were the alleged perps then it would be a confession and no exhumation would necessary. As one of the articles stated some of the witness were neighbors of the family. And there is always the possibility that the surviving families agreeing to this came as a surprise.

[cali]

26. There is a confession

There are two of them. No Iraqis witnessed the actual atrocities. Exhumation may not be necessary, but the prosecutors undoubtedly would value corroborating physical evidence.

[bluedog]

11. EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY OF US RAPE, MURDER IN IRAQ

read in full...

>> REPORTS

EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY OF US RAPE, MURDER IN IRAQ

On an afternoon in March 2006, a force of 10 to 15 American troops raided the home of Qasim Hamzah Rashid al-Janabi , who was born in 1970 and who worked as a guard at a state-owned potato storehouse. Al-Janabi lived with his wife, Fakhriyah Taha Muhsin, and their four children - 'Abir (born 1991), Hadil (born 1999), Muhammad (1998), and Ahmad (1996). (...)

The neighbor of the martyred family told the correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam the following:

"At 2pm a force of Americans raided the home of the martyr Qasim, God rest his soul. They surrounded him and I heard the sound of gunfire. Then the gunfire fell silent. An hour later I saw clouds of smoke rising from the room and then the occupation troops came quickly out of the house. They surrounded the area together with Shi'i 'Iraqi National Guard' forces, and they told us that terrorists from al-Qa'idah had entered the house and killed them all. They wouldn't let any of us into the house. But I told one of the 'National Guard' soldiers that I was their neighbor and that I wanted to see them so that I could tell al-Hajj Abu al-Qasim the news about his son and his son's family, so one of the soldiers agreed to let me enter.

"So I went into the house and found in the first room the late Qasim and his wife and Hadil. Their bodies were swimming in blood. Their blood had spewed out of their bodies with such force that it had flowed out from under the door of the room. I turned them over but there was no response; their lives were already gone."

The neighbor continued his account:

"Then I went into 'Abir's room. Fire was coming out of her. Her head and her chest were on fire. She had been put in a pitiful position; they had lifted her white gown to her neck and torn her bra. Blood was flowing from between her legs even though she had died a quarter of an hour earlier, and in spite of the intensity of the fire in the room. She had died, may God rest her soul. I knew her from the first instant. I knew she had been raped since she had been turned on her face and the lower part of her body was raised while her hands and feet had been tied.

By God, I couldn't control myself and broke into tears over her, but I quickly extinguished the fire burning from her head and chest. The fire had burned up her breasts, the hair on her head, and the flesh on her face. I covered her privates with a piece of cloth, God rest her soul. And at that moment, I thought to myself that if I go out talking and threatening, that they would arrest me, so I took control of myself and resolved to leave the house calmly so that I could be a witness to tell the story of this tragedy.

"After three hours the occupation troops surrounded the house and told the people of the area that the family had been killed by terrorists because they were Shi'ah. Nobody in town believed that story because Abu 'Abir was known as one of the best people of the city, one of the noblest, and not Shi'i, but a Sunni monotheist. Everyone doubted their story and so after the sunset prayers the occupation troops took the four bodies away to the American base. Then the next day they handed them over to the al-Mahmudiyah government hospital and told the hospital administration that terrorists had killed the family. That morning I went with relatives of the deceased to the hospital. We received the bodies and buried them, may God have mercy on them."


http://www.jusonenews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3445

[uppityperson]

12. 10-15 American soldiers?

[bluedog]

14. read this blog........

http://dailywarnews.blogspot.com/



been doing so since the start..........they tell news that we never get........

[uppityperson]

18. Thank you very much for that blog

[Ms. Clio]

19. that's an excellent link, thanks

Although I can hardly bear to read it.

[helderheid]

22. thanks - it led me here (and mentions DU)

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/07/rape-murder-and-conspiracy.html

[Ms. Clio]

16. So the bodies were in the custody of the authorities, who did nothing

Everyone doubted their story and so after the sunset prayers the occupation troops took the four bodies away to the American base. Then the next day they handed them over to the al-Mahmudiyah government hospital and told the hospital administration that terrorists had killed the family.

But no autopsy, no investigation.

Just lies.

Thanks for that link

[lpbk2713]

21. The American military (ie BFEE) is looking for

anything that will cloud up the allegations. Anything that will cast doubt on the accusers. They aren't looking for facts or evidence. That's just the way they do business.

[uppityperson]

25. She was 14, link here. Truly was only 14.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1598009&mesg_id=1598009