Document Shows Raped and Murdered Abeer was just Fourteen yrs old

[leftchick]

A citizenship identification card issued by the Iraqi government in 1993 shows Abeer Qasim Hamza al-Janabi with a date of birth of August 19, 1991, as translated from the identity card in this handout photo from her relatives in Baghdad July 9, 2006. Five U.S. soldiers were charged in a rape and multiple murder case that has outraged Iraqis, as documents obtained by Reuters on Sunday showed the rape victim was a minor aged just 14, and not over 20 as U.S. officials say. EDITORIAL USE ONLY REUTERS/Handout (IRAQ)

[jobycom]

1. They hate us for our freedoms. nt.

[cspanlovr]

2. Poor baby. Just a baby. Could be my baby girl. Horrible, just horrible.

[Patchuli]

3. I've noticed the media using 'woman'

which I thought odd to use in reference to a little girl. Bless her heart, may she rest in peace and may justice prevail on this one and all the other things we're hearing about after the fact.

I am really glad to see that all of this is coming to light so that it will stop. Our government and military leadership must be held accountable for our soldiers doing horrific things like this. These crimes are crimes against us all, to humanity in total. Perhaps if our 'leadership' were mindful and respectful of the rights of human beings under the Geneva Conventions which America helped author, these things would NOT be happening. No more atrocities! We are supposed to be the good guys. WAKE UP WASHINGTON!!!!!

[helderheid]

12. On my way to Quaker meeting this morning NPR referred to her as a 14 y/o

girl. finally.

[qanda]

70. I heard them use girl on CNN and another station also

I think it was MSNBC.

[Joanne98]

17. They're STILL saying she was a woman. Faux saz she's 21!

[uppityperson]

18. I think this information just came out. FOX will be last to change it.

[Mabus]

45. Just doing their job

by helping to obfuscate the truth. :grr: Can't let the people know what's really going on.

[leftchick]

97. Iraqi witnesses claimed she was 14 from the begining

It is the US media that continued to distort the story from the begining using the US military and FBI reports. Naturally I read the Iraqi accounts in the foreign press.

[Patchuli]

22. Oh, is that the age of consent for rape per Faux?

Idiots they are!!!:grr: It needs to be SCREAMED to the American public that she was a child!

[Joanne98]

23. I know. The monster news.

[teknomanzer]

68. Why should it matter whether she was 12 or 90?!

She was still raped and murdered... My outrage is not diminished nor enhanced by the age of the victim. The crime remains horrific and brutal. And the guilt of those responsible does not change in any case.

[smirkymonkey]

78. Thank you - I can't understand why their is more outrage over

the mis-reporting of the age of the female than over the crime itself.

[uppityperson]

85. The crime is outrageous, so is the attempt at the coverup.

Pretend it didn't happen, put the blame on insurgents, say Abeer was an adult so she won't ellicit those "child protection" feeling, discharge an involved soldier. Bah. The crime is horrific. The cover up is horrible.

As to why I would feel worse if she were a child, or a frail 90 yr old? I guess I feel more protective towards them, but this does not in any way reduce my disgust at the entire horrific event and people involved. It is outrageous and changing her age, implying that as a woman perhaps it was her fault, is really wrong also.

[teknomanzer]

88. As noted elsewhere in this post...

The crime doesn't just end with the rape and murder of a 14 year old girl. There is also the heinous murder of her parents and a 5 year old child. Then it should be mentioned that there is the possibility that they are also ultimately responsible for reprisals against soldiers in their own unit. Did Menchaca and Tucker pay the price for these evil deeds? One wonders.

Further the brutality of this crime is certainly not lost on the people of Iraq at large. The possibility looms that more reprisals will be taken against US forces overall. This incident no doubt creates even more enmity against our troops, and they will no doubt suffer for it.

I should point out the hypocrisy of our accusing Iraqi soldiers of atrocities in Kuwait back in 1991 when false testimony was given before congress concerning premature babies being tossed out of incubators. Given the record of the armed forces in Iraq with Abu Graib, the siege of Falluja, and the atrocities at Haditha, this incident and perhaps others of which we are unaware, I wonder if the irony has dawned anyone else paying attention.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

94. true, but the fact is the outrage will be greater over a child

kind of like what happens to child molesters in prison.

There is a stronger outrage over the harming of children.

That is why the corporate media has kept quiet.

This story and this fact could be the undoing of this Pretzeldent.

But nothing will make up for the evil done.

[dalaigh lllama]

102. It upsets me more

for the same reasons that murders of children upset me more than the murder of adults, and the deaths of children upset me more than the deaths of adults. When a 90 year old dies or is murdered, there is the thought that perhaps they enjoyed a full life before the end. When a child dies or is murdered -- or raped and murdered -- it's more upsetting to me because they were cheated out of a chance for life's pleasures.

[Phillycat]

103. It matters.

A child who is sexually abused does not have the emotional defenses or sense of self that an adult has. The emotional wound will cut more deeply. Not to say that rape isn't horrible for anyone, just pointing out the distinction...

[Pacifist Patriot]

104. I don't know, but psychologically and emotionally it does to me.

Nothing mitigates the horror of murder/rape, but the thought of it being perpetrated against a child just makes it even more poignant to me. Even though logically it shouldn't make a difference. The deliberate obfuscation of her age in the media compounds the crime.

It shouldn't make a difference, but it does. I personally experience heightened empathy when I hear of crimes perpetrated against the very young and the elderly. That doesn't mean my disgust at those same crimes is lessened when perpetrated against someone my own age (37 for the record). It's just an additional layer of emotional impact. Hard to put in to words. Sorry.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

24. Woman is to this atrocity as terrorist is to the resistance to

the occupation.

[Lorien]

95. CBS referred to her as a "woman" on the news this evening

:grr:

[Scairp]

96. Yep

And Michael Lindenberger, a stringer for Reuters who has written about the case and with whom I have briefly corresponded over this issue, disavows all responsibility, saying that he relied on the FBI's report on this matter which described this rape/murder victim as an adult woman, not a teenage girl. When I emailed him again and included a link to an AP story describing her as a teenager, he wrote back the following:

"Thank you for your continued interest in the story regarding the Army soldier accused of rape and murder.

As for the age of the alleged victim in the case, we used "woman" in the brief story about the soldier's initial hearing, because it was sourced to the FBI, which has filed a criminal complaint alleging four counts of murder and one of rape.

The affidavit in support of the charges described the victim as a woman.

If you continue to have concerns about the way Reuters describes the deceased in future stories, please contact Reuters, rather than me on my personal email. I am a stringer for the Midwest Bureau, and the bureau's offices are in Chicago.

Mike Conlon is the chief correspondent for that bureau, and is my supervisor".

I have not answered yet, but if this is the way stringer for Reuters do their jobs then they need to find some different stringers. And better sources.

[formercia]

100. She would not be a woman unless married.

To even insinuate that would be considered a great insult by her family.

[HeeBGBz]

4. Makes my skin crawl

That someone would be that twisted. I hope they fry if found guilty.

[Cocoa]

5. why did they say she was over 20?

did they have any basis for that?

When they filed the charges against Green, they said she was 20. Do they have any accountability if they fudged the age?

[Arkansas Granny]

11. I just checked Google news and found that many of the sources

there have changed the reference from "woman" to "girl" with some giving her age as 14. I suppose that when the propagandists first released the report they thought it would not sound so depraved if it was a woman that had been raped and murdered. Of course, that doesn't excuse the murder of her parents and 5 year old sister.

[leftchick]

32. I read the initial FBI reprt stated she was "about 25 years of age"

I never expect the truth from the US.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

56. Why would there even BE an FBI report? What jurisdiction do they have?

[leftchick]

66. good questions

I have no idea why the FBI did a report. All I know is they did one sometime in the last three months and the AP reported it.

[teknomanzer]

69. FBI might have jurisdiction because of Green...

Is he being tried in a Federal Court?

[Bluerthanblue]

75. I believe it was because the accused 'Smith" is

considered a civilian, and the people raped and killed were Iraqi citizens-
Smith isn't being tried as a 'military' person- but as a civilian.

Since the FBI gets involved with crimes that cross state lines, I would imagine they also get involved with crimes that cross National lines. Plus, there was the issue of 'kidnapping'- (illegal detention) and murder/rape is a felony- as is murder/kidnapping.

That's my understanding of this, for what it's worth.

[teknomanzer]

89. The ex-soldier's name is Steven Green not Smith...

[Bluerthanblue]

105. you're right, thanks- freudian slip- ... GREEN- I need to be

more careful.
thanks again,
and sorry for the mistake.

[Cocoa]

57. can they do that?

just change her age?

if whoever wrote that report knew she was 14, and wrote that she was 25, I would think they'd have to justify the error. And if they couldn't, I would think they'd be in violation of some law against falsifying police reports or something like that.

[Ms. Clio]

58. Here is the investigator's affidavit

http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/iraq/usgreen63006cmp6.html

[Bluerthanblue]

76. the person who wrote the report

was refering to the 'testimony' given by one of the accused I believe-
I don't think he actually saw her body, or documents listing her age when the report was written-?
But, I think it was left very 'loose' 'around 25' so that it didn't sound so bad....

[ulysses]

6. that ID photo

needs to be given a great deal of exposure.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. That'll teach her to walk around in those sexy Hijabs and robes.

Intentionally stirring up "stressed out" soldiers who are "our boys".

I can't imagine the sheer terror that she and her family must have felt at the hands of "Our Troops".

[varkam]

8. Geee...and CNN just referred to her as a "young woman".

While not technically wrong, perhaps girl would be more apt.

[uppityperson]

9. k&r, thanks for the photo, time to put it in publics eye.

Make this comperable to the napalmed girl in VietNam. We needed a face to make it even more personal and thank you for finding it.

[uppityperson]

10. Where did you get this from? Thanks

I see Reuters, but can't find it. Thanks again.

[Bobbieo]

16. Keep in mind if soldiers like him stay alive,

they will eventually be coming home to us!!!

[uppityperson]

19. Why was he discharged? For what reason I mean?

They said personality disorder, meaning he was too out of control, too scary, not taking orders, etc. Was this the incident that made them discharge him and send him back to civilian life? Were there other incidents? What sort of help was he set up for when he returned or did they just SET HIM LOOSE? Way lot of questions and will be interesting to see if we get any answers.

[leftchick]

30. Iraq Photo Gallery on Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/1479/im:/060709/481/61244943e8b84540bce3577c59f3a219

I should have included the link for rating. I look at it at least once every day and CRY!

:cry:

[uppityperson]

38. thank you.

:grr: :pals:

[malaise]

13. Fourteen right?

Fuck George Bush.

[Libby2]

14. K&R

[KingFlorez]

15. But, but, Saddam is gone

They are liberated (freeper logic off)

This is so sick, I have no words. I hate the freaks that did this.

[Ms. Clio]

20. of course the military had access to this document, too

yet they still lied.

Helluva find, leftchick.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

21. Well at least Saddam can't run his rape rooms any longer.

[WinkyDink]

28. Nope; we'll do it for him, in the victims' own homes. More cost-efficient.

[RebelOne]

25. CNN just confirmed that she was only 14.

[uppityperson]

26. good find leftchick. thank you.

kick

[IselaB]

27. How miserable. n/t

[NoodleyAppendage]

29. But, you don't understand. 14 in Iraqi years equals 39 in US years.

Considering that the military and our politicans treat the Iraqis as "lesser beings," can you really be surprised to learn that we consider their adulthood to be different from us. Calling the victim an adult is just another example of our Nazification process as we slowly slide towards christofascism and jingoistic killing.

J

[Lerkfish]

31. Horrible, yes, but still horrible if she were 20

I understand what people are upset by, but just wanted to interject that the crime IS horrible, regardless of ages.
Would we be LESS upset if she were 20, raped and murdered? Why?

Its all horrible, horrible stuff. What is going on in our name is beyond belief.

[leftchick]

33. I think the horrible part

is that the US feels the need to obfuscate no matter what. Saying she was 20 or 25 leaves the impression "she asked for it" in amerikans eyes. The whole thing is so fucking horrible.

[bloom]

42. That sounds like a whole different argument.

"Saying she was 20 or 25 leaves the impression "she asked for it" in amerikans eyes."

Seems to me people who would think that - might think that no matter what the age.

Some people around here blamed the 14yr/old rape victim whose predator found her on MySpace. "She should have been smarter" - "she should have known better", etc.

In the case of the Iraqis - apparently - they shouldn't be living in their own country. Because this is what is going to happen to them if they do.

[leftchick]

44. hey, I am just trying to understand the 29%er freeper mind

and how their warped brains rationalize these horrors. :(

[bloom]

47. It is weird if they (FOX, etc.) keep lying about it...

saying the woman was in her 20s when they should know by now what her age was.

To them - it may make it seem "not so bad"? if the girl were older. I don't know. I'm agreeing with the POV that it was BAD, period. And that they should quit lying about it.

[teknomanzer]

90. I don't think thats it...

Saying she is 20 or 21 or a 'woman' isn't to project the idea that she asked for it. I think in truth its because the rape of a girl is somehow more atrocious in the minds of many.

We can't very well go around saying our troops are raping little girls now can we.:sarcasm:

As if it makes any fucking bit of difference. These fuckers were sick bastards regardless of what kind of picture the media want to paint here. Denying the truth I will agree only points to a sickness in our society a sickness that I feel led to the circumstances where this atrocity could take place.

They used to call our soldiers in Vietnam 'baby killers.' What the fuck is happening now? These scum and all others like them, including the sick bastards in the White House and Pentagon and think tanks, have once again soiled the reputation of our armed forces before the world. It began with the policy of stripping people of their rights under Geneva and right on into the dehumanizing of Muslims around the world. The idea that they are subhuman has penetrated the minds of those whose ethics were borderline to begin with. There is a reason why we have these rules in place. It is to put into the psyche of those engaged in an otherwise inhumane activity a sense of humanity. Once Bush waved the Geneva rules and scoffed at the world court the gates of hell were opened. What we have ended up with is results like this.

Shame. We should all feel nothing but shame. We need to stop being 'good Germans' and turning the other way. Make no mistake this is our responsibility. Some how, some way all of this must be brought to an end or it will bring us to our end.

[uppityperson]

48. I agree with this. Horrible to rape or murder anyone, but age does matter

for many. I read on another topic on DU that she was possibly asking for it since, at 14, she should've been married. People amaze me often.

[smirkymonkey]

81. Wait, DU'ers were saying that she was "asking for it" because

she wasn't married? That is so fucked up.

[uppityperson]

83. 1 person condoned it, but said she should've been married.

1 person who finally got the post deleted, several people responded in amazement. I have notived an amazing lack of trolls too which is really good as I think most of us would have no patience for it.

[bloom]

36. "Its all horrible, horrible stuff."

That is true. It would horrible if the victim were 50 or 75 or any number.

Sometimes young girls are targets by men with the obsessive-about-virgins mentality. I expect that may have had something to do with this.

[Lerkfish]

98. I suspect its not so much virginity but relative powerlessness.

but who knows? :shrug:
its depraved and wrong, whatever the reason.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

55. The point is, I believe most people think there is a difference in degree

of a rape of a grown woman vs. a child. Granted it is just a difference in degree but that's why there's often distinctions in law of child molestation vs. rape etc.

So repeatedly calling her a "woman" after revelation of the fact that she was indeed a girl gives the appearance, whether deserved or not, that the U.S. media is trying to lessen the degree of the crime, or the outraged engendered thereby, in the minds of the American public.

[bobbieinok]

34. NOTE the picture is of Abeer when she was 4 years old !!!!!!!!!!!

Side comment: my niece was born in 91 and became 15 in February.

[bloom]

37. I think she was 1 or 2

born 91, photo 93

[bobbieinok]

54. you're right ...... I reacted and typed too fast

[Sherman A1]

40. Yeah

I have a niece that is 15 as well... just makes one sick.

[Hubert Flottz]

35. These bad apples are rotten to the corps and beyond.

Rotting at the roots too.

When the leaders are liars and fakes the men just follow! The example these kids have had set for them, by the people "in charge," is the reason for the rotten fruit we are seeing harvested in Iraq.

Artist: Crosby Stills Nash Young
Song: Teach Your Children


You who are on the road
Must have a code that you can live by
And so become yourself
Because the past is just a good bye.

Teach your children well,
Their father's hell did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picked, the one you'll know by.

Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

And you, of tender years,
Can't know the fears that your elders grew by,
And so please help them with your youth,
They seek the truth before they can die...MORE...

http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/c/crosbystillsnashyoung6061/teachyourchildren237794.html

[daleo]

39. They also (allegedly) murdered a five year old

It is strange how little attention that is getting. I mean, gunning down a pre-schooler in cold blood?

[uppityperson]

41. and their parents. Patience, outrage is building

Abeer was the center, is holding the attention. Wait and let the outrage grow.

[leftchick]

50. Marines blew away at least five toddlers in Haditha

and again this year in Tal aFar. Apparently blowng away babies is not outrageous either. :cry:

[Ms. Clio]

52. what's odd about that is there is apparently little question about her age

presumably the surviving brothers knew the age of both their sisters. So why did the investigator's affidavit specifically claim that the victim's age was "estimated" to be 25?

Maybe you missed the posts where some of us discussed how the mother's arms were broken.

There is more than enough horror in this all around.

[daleo]

59. I agree the claims about the victim's age seemed "propaganda-ish"

As if her rape and murder would somehow matter less if she really were in her 20's. But the killing of the 5 year old got lost to some extent in the context of the other crime. Same goes for what happened to the parents. I guess the whole horror of it is hard to encompass all at once.

[Ms. Clio]

61. I think of those little boys, the brothers, coming home to that, too

what does the future hold for them now?

And of course, I do not believe this is the first and only rape and murder of any woman that has ever occurred in Iraq, either. We have just imposed sheer hell on that country, and for what?

[me b zola]

43. It is good that the truth is coming out...however slowly & in bits & piece

But there is still more to be revealed. How was it that suddenly after this atrocity that Green was sent for a psych eval and given a speedy honorable discharge? Sworn FBI affidavits from the GIs whom have been charged indicate that others in their unit were aware of the atrocity @ Mahmudiayh--how high up the chain of command did that knowledge go?

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/usgreen63006cmp5.html

[uppityperson]

46. and why did they just release him back into civilian life?

sex crime people must register with police when they move. I wonder if he did?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

60. It really makes you wonder whether they knew he had been involved

in an atrocity like this, but rather than get to the bottom of it, the response was to hustle him out of the service to try and wash the Army's hands of it.

I guess this crime was like the "Tell Tale Heart". Can you imagine the fear of the men who had been involved in this, occupying a town where they are hugely outnumbered and where they suspect the townspeople may know they were responsible for the deed.

I suppose most of the perpetrators are probably beyond feelings of guilt, or they probably never would have done so monstrous a thing, so fear might be the only thing they know.

The discovery of their dead, mutilated comrades probably turned their fear into white hot terror.

The sad thing is, the soldiers who were maimed and killed probably didn't have anything to do with it. They were just bearing the punishment for the men from their unit, and were the only ones the vengeance crazed Iraqis could get their hands on.

[me b zola]

62. I believe that you have nailed it

...but rather than get to the bottom of it, the response was to hustle him out of the service to try and wash the Army's hands of it.

It certainly seems that way. Now we are finding out that a cover-up involving several officers is now being investigated in the Haditha (sp) massacre.

The discovery of their dead, mutilated comrades probably turned their fear into white hot terror.

Indeed. But at least in the case of Green, there may well have been some guilt exhibited when he attended the funeral of Babineau. Of course that guilt was related to how Green's (and others)horrific actions may very well have lead to the horrific deaths of his brothers in arms. Would he have felt any guilt surrounding the rapes and murders if his comrades were not mutilated and killed for his actions?

The sad thing is, the soldiers who were maimed and killed probably didn't have anything to do with it

Yep. Worse yet is the possibility that Menchaca, Tucker, or Babineau was going to report the news of the crimes to the chain of command--or already had--and that is why they were left alone in the triangle of death. The military has reported that their being alone was not SOP, that regulations had been violated. How high up the chain of command did that decision go?

[teknomanzer]

74. Dont forget the two soldiers who were killed...

Menchaca and Thomas may also be victims of retribution for this crime. The story could have elements that will shock anyone who is paying attention. This is the incident along with Haditha that is going to tilt this war into a wicked spiral. We need to get the hell out of Iraq. Period.

[Straight Shooter]

49. May I note, without being crass, what an exceptionally beautiful child.

No doubt, at 14, she was gorgeous. Look at those eyes. What did Green and those other men think when they looked at this beautiful vision, this young Iraqi girl? They wanted her, they hated themselves for wanting her, and they transferred that hatred to her and her family.

Just look at those haunting eyes ...

[leftchick]

51. rape is about power

It is power over a defenseless person that gets them off.

[Straight Shooter]

53. I agree. But we should not dismiss the factor of lust in this incident.

They stalked her for a week. She complained of their "attention" at checkpoints.

See this article:
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=11722


The Washington Post released a report on Monday removing the veil over more shocking details into the incident, which was described by The Association of Muslim scholars, a reputable organisation established after the toppling of the former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, as showing "the truth of the ugly American face."

According to The Post report, Abber had previously told her mother that the occupying soldiers had made advances on her each day as she passed through at a nearby checkpoint.

The mother decided that the girl sleep with other women in the neighborhood, to ensure her protection.

The Post quoted Omar Janabi, who said he was a neighbor, as saying that he was informed by the mother on March 10 that Abeer had complained repeatedly about advances made toward her by the American troops.

They wanted power over her, but they wanted her body, too, for the sensual pleasure, and just took her. This crime is the epitome of all that is disgusting and abhorrent in human relations. Is it any wonder so many in the Middle East refer to the U.S. as "The Great Satan"?

[Bluerthanblue]

79. which is the twisted, but rather effective

reasoning behind the burqua....

If a woman cannot be seen- she is not so vunerable.

As if men are animals who cannot control thier lust- and women are born to be used...

sorry, I understand your point, but people shouldn't be at risk because of their 'looks'-

[Straight Shooter]

87. You are right, people should not be at risk because of their looks.

I do not know if anything she could have worn would have protected her, though, from their attention, if they could tell she was a young girl. The soldiers focused on her, made her a target. Maybe her looks had nothing to do with it. Maybe she just looked vulnerable, easy prey. I can't get into the mind of a monster and so I'm struggling, like everyone else, looking for the "why" behind the viciousness of this crime.

The soldiers knew, in their plot, that they would be killing a 5-year-old child, too. How sick is that.

Speaking of monsters, I'm waiting for Rumsfeld or bush to address this matter with all the seriousness it deserves. But I think I'm going to be waiting forever ...

[me b zola]

91. I see that. I see my three grandchildren in Abeer's baby photo

My son is Mex/American, his wife Filipina. I worry so much about how preditors see my grandbabies. They are all so beautiful, like Abeer in that photo.

I mourn for Abeer. I mourn for our culture, for what we, in some instances, have become.



OT, it is nice to see you posting again, Straight Shooter. I had missed your presence.

[stepnw1f]

63. I Avoided Reading This Until Now

Not due to a lack of compassion, but in wanting to know the uncomfortable details. This is why I am so disgusted with the people in power. They are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for this!

This would never have hapened if Bush did not lie America into invading Iraq. And my God how leaderless our military is.

[SensibleAmerican]

64. This is one case where I want to support the death penalty

n/t

[uppityperson]

65. Abeer, Mama, Papa IDs and pictures here

Citizenship identification cards issued by the Iraqi government shows Abeer Qasim Hamza al-Janabi (C) in 1993 with a date of birth of August 19, 1991, as translated from the identity card, her mother Fakhriya Taha Muheisin al-Janabi (L), in 1990, and her father Qasim Hamza Rasheed al-Janabi, in 2006, in this handout photo from their relatives in Baghdad July 9, 2006. Five U.S. soldiers were charged in a rape and multiple murder case that has outraged Iraqis, as documents obtained by Reuters on Sunday showed the rape victim was a minor aged just 14, and not over 20 as U.S. officials say.

[caligirl]

67. Would you post a link to these photos? I sent a letter to the Editor of

Editor and Publisher with just the location url by clicking properties. I would like a direct link and then I'll start sending this info out to more web sites.

[uppityperson]

71. See post below this one, thanks leftchick

I couldn't figure it out, too many too much. Thanks.

[leftchick]

72. Here you go

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/1479

you need to scroll through to find the photos as they change all of the time. You can also rate them up.

[caligirl]

73. thyanks I'm getting started now.

[Bluerthanblue]

77. Thank you leftchick, for

putting faces to this tragedy.

For giving them eyes which speak to us, and demand the truth be uncovered, and that their deaths have not been hidden or buried beneath lies and cover-ups.

May they rest in peace- may thier family be comforted-

[leftchick]

84. We all need to share all of the information we find of war crimes

God knows the corporate media will ignore it. It is up to us.

peace,
lc

[Beelzebud]

80. I hate that America has become The Fascist, The Nazi, The Scum...

I want my fucking country back....

[Hekate]

82. At least the MSM has started calling her "a girl" and "a teen"...

... instead of "an Iraqi woman."

It makes a difference -- it points up just how vulnerable and defenseless she was -- even though a grown woman wouldn't have stood a chance against armed men, either. They killed her Mom and a younger sister/brother, too.

What the f**k are we doing over there? :cry: :cry: :cry:

Hekate

[bunkerbuster1]

99. Mighty white of them.

Bastards.

[Hekate]

101. No s**t. This thing make me want to curse & shout, so I use our * for W!

Works for me, anyway. Because Bush, Cheney, Rummy are such *holes, it's breathtaking.

Hekate

[tblue37]

86. Good thing we liberated the Iraqis from

Saddam's "rape rooms." </sarcasm>

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

92. to mislead, media called her a "woman"

the media purposely misled the public by calling this mere
girl a woman.

Bush didn't want people to know that the victim
of his callousness was a GIRL.

Raped, beaten, murdered.

And her mother's arms were broken, witnesses could SEE.

how the heck can you see that someone's arms are broken,
just by looking, unless they were horribly broken.

War is hell, and killing is killing.
What is the difference in killing someone in another country
and murdering someone in your own?

They didn't ask for us to come over there.

[Toucano]

93. Thank you for settling this controversey. n/t

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

106. 2 weeks older than my daughter, and the little sister was 6

From Reuters:


"Abeer Qasim Hamza al-Janabi was born on August 19, 1991 in Baghdad,
according to the identity card, provided to Reuters by a relative.
Issued in 1993, it features a photograph of her at 18 months,
wide-eyed and with a lick of dark hair over her brow

Abeer's sister Hadeel was aged six when she died of "several gunshot wounds".

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-07-09T202255Z_01_COL944937_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-RAPE.xml&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1